civil war token buffs help please! anyone with a red book handy!

mozeppa · February 22, 2004 2:52PM

greeting to all :

I just ebay sold this civil war token (under $ 20.00)

then I get a "helpful" person after the sale informing me that my civil war token is listed in the "red book" as a fake or counterfiet.

his statement and i quote "your coin has "NOT oNE SENT" thats how to tell its a fake.

he said it was made in 1966 not 1863 .....i told him it says CENT not SENT and that i'd check with you guy's

his he right? is it a fake? i can email anyone much larger pictures....i just can't do it here.

any helps appreciated...thanks, mike

agentjim007 · February 22, 2004 3:05PM

I don't know that one exactly but many have "not one cent" I would buy it as real.

numobri · February 22, 2004 3:13PM

Using an old "Fuld"book,It looks like;

Obv 87,Rev356

Looks real to me.

By the way,It's an R2.

mozeppa · February 22, 2004 3:13PM

whats a r2?

numobri · February 22, 2004 3:15PM

How rare it is;

R2=common

mozeppa · February 22, 2004 3:20PM

thanks ...

as this guy said "its in the red book as a fake"

do you have a red book ? if so can you tell me what it say's (if it indeed say's anything about civil war token fakes)

Midus1 · February 22, 2004 3:29PM

All the 2004 Redbook says is, a few of the imitations have the word "NOT" in very smalll letters above the words " ONE CENT". Hope this helps.

Midus

mozeppa · February 22, 2004 3:34PM

THANKS Midus

those are not very small letters!

only very slightly smaller! (nearly the same size)

numobri · February 22, 2004 3:34PM

You don't have a Red Book?

2003 red book,page 308.

These tokens are of great variety in composition and desing. A number were more or less faithful imitations of copper-nickel cent. A few of this type have the word"not" in very small letters above the words"one cent."

Your in the good imho.

mozeppa · February 22, 2004 3:36PM

i will by tomorrow night!

numobri · February 22, 2004 3:37PM

It's realy a trade token you have.

Gemini · February 22, 2004 7:27PM

Your token is for real. It is a common reverse found on many Civil War Tokens.

There are about 35 different reverse "Not One Cent" dies listed in in the Fulds book on Patriotic Tokens which yours is an example of.

Many CWT tokens also carry the longer version of the slogan which is "Millions for Defense - Not One Cent for Tribute"

Other centless varieties are "Not One Cent for the Widows" and "I.O. U. One Cent"

There were also many tokens that survive today where the "Not" was crossed out by those attempting to pass it off as a real Indian head cent.

There is also one funny CW-Token that has a dogs head on one side and on the other side it says "Good for a Scent"

BillJones · February 23, 2004 12:50AM

Here's an example of the "Good for a Scent" die by Joseph Merriam. There are several varieties of Civil War tokens that include this die. Only one of them, which is Merriam's own store card is at all common. All the rest are quite rare.

This one is paired with the salamander variety, which is listed as MA 115-D-2b. This one is quite scarce with only 15 to 20 examples known. It is very popular among advanced Civil War collectors. This token is worth somewhere in the $2,500 neighborhood.

The “Not One Cent” token that started this thread is worth $14 to $18.

Shamika · February 23, 2004 2:03AM

It's real. Ignore the "helpful" person's email.

Gemini · February 23, 2004 1:40PM

Thanks for posting that image Bill...thats a nice token!

mozeppa · February 23, 2004 1:45PM

thanks guy's!

Conder101 · February 23, 2004 10:24PM

When your "helpful" person read this, < A number were more or less faithful imitations of copper-nickel cent. A few of this type have the word"not" in very small letters above the words"one cent." > He misinterpted it to mean that if it had the word NOT it was a "More or less faithful imitation" of a CWT. Not that the tokens were imitations of a regular cent.

civil war token buffs help please! anyone with a red book handy!

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