Cards that never were

toppsgun · February 10, 2004 10:44AM

Another thread on this forum mentioned a 1971 PSA 9 Schmidt. Of course, it didn't exist, but I can imagine how HUGE that card would be if it did exist.

It reminds me of the 1953 Topps reprint set that put an Aaron card in it (Aaron's rookie of course wasn't until 1954).

What other cards that never were would've made a great hobby collectible?

The obvious one is a 1967 Seaver/Ryan rookie. Someone even made up a fake one in the early 90's I remember seeing.

I think a 1975 combination card of Aaron and Al Downing, maybe with Hank slipping Al a "Franklin" for grooving that pitch for him for #714.

Others????

dbj77 · February 10, 2004 10:51AM

Red Man cards of Al Kaline and Mickey Mantle.

Putty · February 10, 2004 10:54AM

51 Bowman Musial..

BigKidAtHeart · February 10, 2004 11:08AM

Tipem · February 10, 2004 11:08AM

55 Topps Mantle.Now,That would be a cool card!!!

ydsotter · February 10, 2004 11:19AM

I have actually put thought to this question...

- a 1971 Topps Schmidt would be highest on my list...

I would have also loved to see a
-1970 Topps Julius Erving (Dr. J) with the reddish pink background.

jaxxr · February 10, 2004 11:25AM

Any Topps card of "Stan the Man" from 1952 through 1957 !!!

BKAH; Nice pic of the Beckett Magazine rendering of a 1964 Topps giant Roger Maris

1420sports · February 10, 2004 11:32AM

1963 Pete Rose - other than the actual card.

KallMaloneSay · February 10, 2004 11:40AM

2001 Upper Deck Prospect Premieres Joe Mauer AUTO XRC

goodriddance189 · February 10, 2004 11:53AM

Kellogg's hockey cards. you K card guys wouldnt stand a chance if they made those

GoSoxBoSox · February 10, 2004 11:55AM

A 1934 Goudey Babe Ruth. The card that would've made the set if not for the feud between ruth and Gehrig.

The set still rocks.

helionaut · February 10, 2004 11:56AM

Didn't we have this thread a year ago?
I'd like a 1966 Steve Carlton, a T-206 Joe Jackson, and a 1993 Topps Finest Derek Jeter.
I'd like a 1951 Bowman Joe DiMaggio, a 1934 Goudey Babe Ruth, and a 2001 Bowman Chrome Mark Prior Autograph.
And while I'm asking I'd also like a 2004 SPx Bake McBride bat/jersey patch/autograph. C'mon UD, how can you miss Bake McBride?

jaybyrd · February 10, 2004 12:00PM

1967 Sandy Koufax - Best pitcher of the decade on the best set.

1959 Bob Gibson and 1962 Lou Brock- Other than the ones that were made. Neither are attractive cards in the least.

1968 Reggie Jackson - Not on a muti-player card, but by himself.

mikeschmidt · February 10, 2004 12:16PM

<< Another thread on this forum mentioned a 1971 PSA 9 Schmidt. Of course, it didn't exist, but I can imagine how HUGE that card would be if it did exist.

<< 

Do you mean 1972, toppsgun? Mike did not play in the majors in 1971 (or even in the minors), he was drafted in 1971. As for 1972 -- he does have a card (actually a sticker), it is just a Winter Leagues card, not a major league one.

ydsotter · February 10, 2004 1:15PM

a 1972 schmidt would be cool too... especially a high numbered one...
but as a fan of the 1971 would be a dream for me... a horizontal card of him diving for a ball with one of those little rookie trophies in the corner...
eventhough he wasn't in the majors... it's just a year or two late... and a dream card anyways...
but your psa 9 P.R. schmidt is as good or better than any dream card... it's simply awesome.

Rocco67 · February 10, 2004 1:21PM

My choices for dream cards that never existed:

1909 T206 Joe Jackson (He would have been a canidate for the Southern League subset)

1940 PlayBall Ty Cobb (Cobb got dissed or he probably wanted too much money to appear in the "old timers" set)

1952 Topps Ted Williams (I know theres a story about why this didn't happen...anyone know about it?)

1979 Topps Ricky Henderson (If this were the case the Ozzie Smith would not be the key 79 Topps rookie card)

Oh well...at least there are still plenty of other cards that do exist that I can't afford...yet.

34GoudeyCollector · February 10, 2004 1:43PM

I agree with gosoxbosox. The Ruth (or 2) would have made this complete! Still a rock solid set.

Ken

NickM · February 10, 2004 1:49PM

helionaut - by the time you fit Bake's afro onto the card, there's not enough room for a patch or an autograph.

I would also like a '54 Topps Campanella and a '56 Topps Dodgers Win World Series (however they would have titled it) card. Oh, and a '62 Topps Maury Wills card would be nice too (I'm OK with the picture they first used for it in 1975).

Nick

TheCARDKid · February 10, 2004 2:02PM

1934 Goudeys are among the most beautiful cards I've ever seen. Ruth would have been amazing in that set.

From the '50's, there are so many cards missing. From Musial and Williams to Mantle and Mays. A 1954 Topps Mantle would be great.

jimrupprecht · February 10, 2004 2:21PM

A 1968 Seaver/Ryan rookie would have been sweet.

-
Jim

downgoesfrazier · February 10, 2004 2:36PM

Any Red Man card featuring Jackie Robinson or Mickey Mantle would have been HUGE! I'm on board with a '52 Topps Ted Williams as well.
This thread was up last year and I think these threads are awesome. Someone actually posted a "What if" card...an '80 Topps Thurman Munson with the Indians complete with air-brushed cap. Those who follow such things recognize that was where Thurman was clearly headed had it not been for his untimely death in a plane crash late in the summer, 1979.

For my favorite set, 1977, single cards of Andre Dawson, Dale Murphy and Jack Clark (three of my all-time favorite players) would be great. Side-note: I really dislike multi-player rookie cards. I don't even consider them rookie cards at all and place no premium on them when I purchase. To me the '64 Rose and '69 Bench are rookie cards. It's just how I choose to look at it. I understand this is not common logic, but I really never enjoyed Ron Tompkins all that much.

Great thread guys,

dgf

murcerfan · February 10, 2004 2:38PM

T227 Joe Jackson
'54 Wilson Franks Mickey Mantle
'68 Topps 3-d Bobby Murcer

mikeschmidt · February 10, 2004 3:50PM

1933 DeLong Babe Ruth

mrc32 · February 10, 2004 11:19PM

1911 T-205 Honus Wagner

Treetop · February 11, 2004 12:17AM

A 1972 Topps traded Nolan Ryan. They made one for Fregosi in 72, the man that was traded for Ryan, but didn't make the traded card of Ryan.

shagrotn77 · February 11, 2004 12:20AM

How about any Topps cards of Earl Campbell besides his rookie year? Actually I kinda like that Campbell only appeared on Topps cardboard one year. It adds some mystique to the cards.

theBobs · February 11, 2004 12:23AM

T206 Jackson and Weaver

schr1st · February 11, 2004 1:22AM

Could someone please explain why Musial didn't appear on any Topps cards until the 1958 All-Star card? He was mentioned on the team cards (or at least on the 1957 Topps Cardinals Team Card that I have in front of me), and have heard only rumors as to why he didn't appear on cards in the regular set (wanted too much $, didn't want to be on cards, etc.). If anyone has anything they can offer on this, I'd be most appreciative, as I know that I'd love to see a 1957 Topps Stan Musial card. A 1957 Topps Harmon Killebrew would be nice as well.

estang · February 11, 2004 1:39AM

A couple of broad Topps changes would open a slew of cards that never were. First, I'm not a fan of multiple rookies placed on one card, especially from different teams. Therefore a singular rookie card from the year in which the player appeared on a multiple card would be better. Second, issuing a Topps that reflects the stats of a player that retired during the off-season and wasn't issued a card the following spring.

This would create the following single player depiction cards that never were (examples):

1962 Sam McDowell
1962 Bob Uecker
1962 Jim Bouton
1963 Pete Rose
1963 Gaylord Perry
1963 Dave McNally
1963 Rusty Staub
1963 Tony Oliva
1963 Willie Stargell
1964 Tony Conigliaro
1964 Tommy John
1964 Willie Horton
1964 Phil Niekro
1964 Rico Carty
1964 Tony Oliva
1964 Lou Pinella
1965 Paul Blair
1965 Rico Petrocelli
1965 Tony Perez
1965 Joe Morgan
1965 Phil Niekro
1965 Cesar Tovar
1965 Tug McGraw
1965 Steve Carlton
1965 Jim Hunter
1966 Nate Colbert
1966 Don Sutton
1966 Cesar Tovar
1967 Mark Belanger
1967 Reggie Smith
1967 Joe Niekro
1967 Bobby Murcer
1967 Rod Carew
1967 Tom Seaver
1968 Jerry Kooman
1968 Nolan Ryan
1968 Johnny Bench
1968 Hal McRae
1968 Lou Pinella
1968 Larry Hisle
1969 Graig Nettles
1969 Amos Otis
1969 Rollie Fingers
1969 Larry Hisle
1969 Al Oliver
1969 Lou Pinella (he was on 3 multi-rookie cards)
1970 Ralph Garr
1970 Darrell Evans
1970 Bernie Carbo
1970 Hal McRae
1970 John Mayberry
1970 Bill Buckner
1970 Thurman Munson
1971 Don Baylor
1971 Ralph Garr
1971 Dusty Baker
1971 Bob Valentine
1971 Greg Luzinski
1971 Al Hrabosky
1971 George Foster
1972 Carlton Fisk
1972 Cecil Cooper
1972 Ron Cey
1972 Ben Ogilve
1972 Don Baylor
1972 JR Richard
1972 Charlie Hough
1972 Rick Dempsey
1972 Darrell Porter
1973 Enos Cabell
1973 Al Bumbry
1973 Charlie Hough
1973 Davey Lopes
1973 Tom Paciorek (pretty strong 3 rookie card of same Dodgers teammates)
1973 Mike Schmidt
1975 Jim Rice
1975 Fred Lynn
1975 Gary Carter
1976 Ron Guidry
1976 Willie Randolph
1977 Dale Murphy
1977 Jack Clark
1978 Dale Murphy
1978 Lou Whitaker
1978 Jack Morris
1978 Alan Trammell
1979 Pedro Guerrero
1980 Jesse Orosco
1981 Fernando Valenzuela
1982 Cal Ripken (although we have the traded)
1982 Kent Hrbek

Do others here not like these multi-player rookie cards. I'd gladly like to see more of the multi-player star special cards like 1968 Mays/Mantle/Killebrew instead of the head shots of 2 or 4 players. I do recall Topps doing this in recent Archives series, but they used the same photo (ex: 67 Carew & 75 Lynn). However, I think fresh new full shot photos would be much better. They could make a whole set of this.

As for players that didn't play the following year after retirement/tragedy are:

1978 Brooks Robinson
I think I'm missing quite a few here

mcastaldi · February 11, 2004 2:51AM

A 62T Maury Wills. He won the MVP in 62, but didn't have a Topps card. For the 75 set, Topps ran a series of "MVP" cards and created a 62T Wills which never really existed.

I'd also like to see a regular 75T card for Al Kaline. There was a highlight card noting his 3000th hit, but no regular card.

A 72T card for Ernie Banks, perhaps.

And in a salute to DGF. . .a 77T Reggie in an Orioles uniform.

Mike

mikeschmidt · February 11, 2004 4:38AM

<< And in a salute to DGF. . .a 77T Reggie in an Orioles uniform.
Mike >>

I thought the above existed in a purely test form. Doesn't Keith Olbermann have that card....?

dominak · February 11, 2004 4:51AM

Very interesting topic.

Being a T206 Cleveland collector, I too would love to have a T206 Joe Jackson.

downgoesfrazier · February 11, 2004 5:40AM

Schmitty,
That's the "word on the street". A while back a reproduction was on eBay and I had it all sniped up then...BAM! Seller ended listing early as item was no longer for sale. He said a flood killed the card...not sure if that's the straight dope on what went down, but I still need a copy of that card.

Mike,
Salute noted, thank you.

dgf

carew4me · February 11, 2004 6:07AM

Boopotts · February 11, 2004 6:07AM

A 1983 Willie McGee, made by either of the big three, showing him reaching over the center field fence in the World Series to steal that home run. I was in fifth grade at the time, living in St. Louis, and though to this day I have no idea who hit that ball (Gorman Thomas?) it ranks as my first great moment watching the game.

I'd also like a 1985 Donruss 'World Series Champs' card picturing the Tigers team.

1420sports · February 11, 2004 6:11AM

Didn't we have this thread a year ago?

still good enough to be recycled ...

cards that never were

Stonegate · February 11, 2004 6:22AM

1948 Bowman Basketball Johnny Ezersky - played for the Bullets, Celtics, Providence Steamrollers, and Tri-City Blackhawks between '46-51 but never had a card. Held the record, tied with George Mikan, for most points scored at the old Baltimore Coliseum in a pro game. Oh yeah, he's my uncle!

Kevin

highend · February 11, 2004 8:53AM

i wish the "MICK" could have stayed around long enough to have some early 70's issues.

71 topps mantle 753 sp PSA 9

72 mantle 788 and mantle ia 789 psa 9

clemente also comes to mind,

75 topps clemente 661 psa 10 (with purple top and green bottom)

one card i wouldn't have wanted to see would be VIRTUALIZARDS incarnation of the 80 munson in a cleveland uniform.

goodriddance189 · February 11, 2004 9:04AM

<< 

<< And in a salute to DGF. . .a 77T Reggie in an Orioles uniform.
Mike >>

I thought the above existed in a purely test form. Doesn't Keith Olbermann have that card....? >>

he owned 2 of these cards in 1994. he was offered $3500 at one time, no idea if he accepted.

more interesting facts about Olbermann-

-he wrote in SCD on and off from 1973 to 1985
-he wrote bio's for every card in the 1975 (1976, whatever the year) TCMA SSPC set. want proof? check out the back of card 630, Jimmy Reese. at the bottom of the card it states "Backs edited by Keith Olbermann"
-he took pictures that ended up on several cards, including 1981 Donruss Greg Minton and Mickey Rivers.
-he actually appears on a card- 1981 Topps Ken Landreaux. well, at least 1/8th of him (brown jacket on the right of the photo)

some day i'll copy the article this info came from (Sept. 94 issue of Collectors Sportslook) and post it on the boards. one of the best, most informative articles i've ever read

downgoesfrazier · February 11, 2004 11:12AM

dgf

TheRoach · February 11, 2004 11:28AM

On behalf of the modern card collectors, here I go...

1998 SP Authentic Priest Holmes ( boy, would this thing be a HUGE card! )

1994 Finest Marshall Faulk RC/Refractor RC

1993 SP Troy Brown ( C'mon, it would have to be at least $40, right? )

1994 Bowman's Best Alex Rodriguez Refractor RC ( I know we have the SP, but this would be a close 2nd )

2001 Bowman Chrome mark Prior Auto RC ( I stole this from a previous poster, because it was a damn good one! )

1991 Stadium Club Pedro Martinez RC ( my personal favorite made up card. Boy, would it have been sweet! )

1995 Select Certified Steve McNair Mirror Gold ( It would be close to hot as the Terrell Davis was at it's peak. How did they forget him in the base set? )

There's a few cards that I would have loved to see! Great thread!

TheRoach

highend · February 11, 2004 11:56AM

i'm not really up on the modern stuff but i think upper deck did a 70's retro set not too long ago. how about this:

a shortprinted insert card, DUELING AFROS- WITH AUTHENTICATED LOCKS OF REAL HAIR FROM THE HEADS OF GARRY MADDOX AND BAKE MC BRIDE. i'd lay out some serious cash for a card like that.

i like this thread.

mcastaldi · February 11, 2004 12:13PM

highend> Lest we forget about Oscar Gamble. . .

Mike

highend · February 11, 2004 12:24PM

mcastaldi-how could i forget the "big O" or affectionately known to this collector as the "big fro". i'm not i big fan of the 76 topps set but somewhere i have the 76 traded gamble. did gamble have an american league counterpart with an equally impressive afro?

Blackborder · April 29, 2008 1:42AM

1915 Cracker Jack Babe Ruth

Just about any T-207 HOFer. Strange set the T-207's.

jradke4 · April 29, 2008 1:46AM

You have the 78 Trammell...what about his partner on that RC Paul Molitor???

<< A couple of broad Topps changes would open a slew of cards that never were. First, I'm not a fan of multiple rookies placed on one card, especially from different teams. Therefore a singular rookie card from the year in which the player appeared on a multiple card would be better. Second, issuing a Topps that reflects the stats of a player that retired during the off-season and wasn't issued a card the following spring.

This would create the following single player depiction cards that never were (examples):

1962 Sam McDowell
1962 Bob Uecker
1962 Jim Bouton
1963 Pete Rose
1963 Gaylord Perry
1963 Dave McNally
1963 Rusty Staub
1963 Tony Oliva
1963 Willie Stargell
1964 Tony Conigliaro
1964 Tommy John
1964 Willie Horton
1964 Phil Niekro
1964 Rico Carty
1964 Tony Oliva
1964 Lou Pinella
1965 Paul Blair
1965 Rico Petrocelli
1965 Tony Perez
1965 Joe Morgan
1965 Phil Niekro
1965 Cesar Tovar
1965 Tug McGraw
1965 Steve Carlton
1965 Jim Hunter
1966 Nate Colbert
1966 Don Sutton
1966 Cesar Tovar
1967 Mark Belanger
1967 Reggie Smith
1967 Joe Niekro
1967 Bobby Murcer
1967 Rod Carew
1967 Tom Seaver
1968 Jerry Kooman
1968 Nolan Ryan
1968 Johnny Bench
1968 Hal McRae
1968 Lou Pinella
1968 Larry Hisle
1969 Graig Nettles
1969 Amos Otis
1969 Rollie Fingers
1969 Larry Hisle
1969 Al Oliver
1969 Lou Pinella (he was on 3 multi-rookie cards)
1970 Ralph Garr
1970 Darrell Evans
1970 Bernie Carbo
1970 Hal McRae
1970 John Mayberry
1970 Bill Buckner
1970 Thurman Munson
1971 Don Baylor
1971 Ralph Garr
1971 Dusty Baker
1971 Bob Valentine
1971 Greg Luzinski
1971 Al Hrabosky
1971 George Foster
1972 Carlton Fisk
1972 Cecil Cooper
1972 Ron Cey
1972 Ben Ogilve
1972 Don Baylor
1972 JR Richard
1972 Charlie Hough
1972 Rick Dempsey
1972 Darrell Porter
1973 Enos Cabell
1973 Al Bumbry
1973 Charlie Hough
1973 Davey Lopes
1973 Tom Paciorek (pretty strong 3 rookie card of same Dodgers teammates)
1973 Mike Schmidt
1975 Jim Rice
1975 Fred Lynn
1975 Gary Carter
1976 Ron Guidry
1976 Willie Randolph
1977 Dale Murphy
1977 Jack Clark
1978 Dale Murphy
1978 Lou Whitaker
1978 Jack Morris
1978 Alan Trammell
1979 Pedro Guerrero
1980 Jesse Orosco
1981 Fernando Valenzuela
1982 Cal Ripken (although we have the traded)
1982 Kent Hrbek

Do others here not like these multi-player rookie cards. I'd gladly like to see more of the multi-player star special cards like 1968 Mays/Mantle/Killebrew instead of the head shots of 2 or 4 players. I do recall Topps doing this in recent Archives series, but they used the same photo (ex: 67 Carew & 75 Lynn). However, I think fresh new full shot photos would be much better. They could make a whole set of this.

As for players that didn't play the following year after retirement/tragedy are:

1978 Brooks Robinson
I think I'm missing quite a few here >>

jradke4 · April 29, 2008 1:47AM

<< A 1983 Willie McGee, made by either of the big three, showing him reaching over the center field fence in the World Series to steal that home run. I was in fifth grade at the time, living in St. Louis, and though to this day I have no idea who hit that ball (Gorman Thomas?) it ranks as my first great moment watching the game.

I'd also like a 1985 Donruss 'World Series Champs' card picturing the Tigers team. >>

I would love to know too. I was in the 4th grade at that time in Milwaukee. Your lucky Fingers was out with an injury.

nam812 · April 29, 2008 1:53AM

<< You have the 78 Trammell...what about his partner on that RC Paul Molitor???... >>

This thread is 4 years old so he may not answer.

Blackborder · April 29, 2008 1:54AM

<< 

<< You have the 78 Trammell...what about his partner on that RC Paul Molitor???... >>

This thread is 4 years old so he may not answer. >>

There's always hope.

waxman2745 · April 29, 2008 2:31AM

1971 Topps Carlton Fisk
1972 Topps Mike Schmidt
1983 Topps/Fleer/Donruss of Don Mattingly

Also, a 1967 Topps Nolan Ryan/Tom Seaver on the same card would have been awesome! Any idea what it would go for?

Stingray · April 29, 2008 3:01AM

Cards that never were

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