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We have a winner in the infamous 1963 Lincoln contest!

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
And, I think I figured out some of the weirdness that went on with this auction. Note: The following is just speculation. image

As everybody now knows, PCGS bought the coin back. It wasn't stated whether or not they bid on it, but I think they did. At one point the thing got bid up to over $58K with the juice and then suddenly dropped back to $35K plus juice ($40,250). I think some joker guessed that PCGS was bidding and decided to screw around and jack it up. Heritage gets wind and nukes it.

The floor auction opened and closed at the $35K, which was said to be the "book". I just found at that book can be either the reserve, or the high internet bid, (didn't know that). I think that high internet bid was PCGS and was also the reserve. That would mean the coin sold.

I also have a hunch that some additional compensation went to the consignor since Hall stated that those involved were made whole.

In any event, the site shows the coin sold and with juice, the total is the $40,250 it was at before things got whacky. That means that the winner is Shamika with his last minute guess of exactly that amount. Pretty smart thinking on his part! image

Russ, NCNE

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    coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    That's a huge chunk to bite for a $1 coin.

    In the end, I was still the first correct guesser of its value (not its selling price)...$1 or less. I could match that coin easy out of dealers' junk boxes at the local show.
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    Russ,

    Good fun (no pun intended), my guess is that this whole saga isn't over.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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    dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    i think your scenario is durned near right-on

    K S
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    jeffnpcbjeffnpcb Posts: 1,943
    Actually, with a buy back like that, the fix was on and no one won the contest since it never did go up for auction. That was according to jbsteven and the events that took place!

    OH WELL, send the man a cigar with the prize!image
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    ClankeyeClankeye Posts: 3,928
    No, Russ you are wrong!

    I have it from unimpeachable sources that the tiny country of Slabonia levied a huge tax on it's citizens and madly entered the fray to own this coin. When Slabonia's bid had risen as far as $58,000 there was a bloody coup in the country, and King Cladtomeetya, and his Official Coin Buying Advisor were riddled by machine gun fire in the courtyard of the small Best Western Motel that is used as Slabonia's State residence. The new KIng-- Karl of Dorkenstein III--withdrew the countries bid for the coin. Crushing the hopes and dreams of every modern-loving Slabonian on the planet.

    That's the true, inside story. I have sources.

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    I like clank's theory of what happened better than any I have heard yet. image

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    Good ending to a very controversial story. Congrats to Shamika and thanks Russ for this interesting giveaway.
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    WondoWondo Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭
    Shamika,

    Congrats!!! image
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    LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    Russ- who was 1st runner up, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, miss congeneality? Where is Burt Parks when we need him?
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    OHHHHHHH YEAAAAAA!!!!

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    BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Shamika, if this Kennedy has turned in the holder will you be sending it in to PCGS for the grade guarantee? Congratsimage-------------------BigE
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>if this Kennedy has turned in the holder >>



    It did exactly that.

    Russ, NCNE
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    cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Anyone got a link to the auction listing?
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Russ,

    What was your result from sending it to PCGS (specifics please).
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Shamika,

    It graded PR68 when I submitted it, and was all that. It later grew milk spots of the type that frequently appear on these in proof sets. It was undipped, and is now why I dip every single one before submission in order to stabilize the surfaces.

    Russ, NCNE
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    TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭


    << <i>of course, there are no handling marks or other flaws of any significance to be found. >>

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    BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    If you look closely at the 63 cent you can see the wipe marks left by a Q-Tip. It looks like the coin was probably MS-70'd first, then rinsed with distilled water. What may have caused the blotchy haze is where the acetone and the cotton of the Q-Tip directly contacted the coin together removing most of the left over MS 70, and where the acetone just ran off the tip is where the haze remained. You can see where the Q-Tip actually skipped over the devices!-----------------------BigE
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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If you look closely at the 63 cent you can see the wipe marks left by a Q-Tip. It looks like the coin was probably MS-70'd first, then rinsed with distilled water. What may have caused the blotchy haze is where the acetone and the cotton of the Q-Tip directly contacted the coin together removing most of the left over MS 70, and where the acetone just ran off the tip is where the haze remained. You can see where the Q-Tip actually skipped over the devices!-----------------------BigE >>

    BigE: I heard this was the Rick Tomaska Lincoln, sold a year or two ago to a client of his for approximately $15,000.00. Now, that $15,000.00 price may have been what the Collector sold the coin for, having purchased it for less from Rick. Either way, there was a small write up in one of Rick's newsletters/pricelist a few months back.
    The coin was a "70" when sold but had previously been Windexed and subsequently turned in the holder a few months later.
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    BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Pat. Maybe they used a Q-Tip to move the Windex around. It just looks like whatever they spead over the surface was not evenly done--------------------BigE
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