Help Grading Large Cent

ladyship · December 27, 2003 11:54PM

Hi Guys,
Can you help me in grading this large cent?

Thanks

tlhoy · December 28, 2003 12:16AM

Not bad, 1812 small date?
My guess F-15
PCGS goes easy on these dated before 1814 but I think they would BB it for environmental damage on the reverse.
Nice pictures! & Welcome to the boards, we need more Large Cent collectors here!
Glenn

Rittenhouse · December 28, 2003 12:22AM

A near picture perfect Photograde F12, but.... rough, granular surfaces and some deeper pitting and green corrosion.

Dennis88 · December 28, 2003 12:23AM

I think VF-20, but I'm not sure if they will grade them....

dennis

darktone · December 28, 2003 12:25AM

I am not really an expert on these but I think f-15 money is too much with that heavy corrosion. I would say it has a value around $50. mike

Catch22 · December 28, 2003 12:33AM

Net grade or bodybag. Common for early copper, but I also suspect it has been recolored as well.

ladyship · December 28, 2003 1:16AM

Hi Guys,
Thanks for the comments,
The 1812 hasn't been retoned,it is an even chocolate brown.
How about looking at this one for me?
Thanks

Placid · December 28, 2003 2:16AM

I am not seeing any pictures in either of your posts.

ladyship · December 28, 2003 3:39AM

They were there,

Baley · December 28, 2003 4:41AM

The 1812 looks to me like Fine+ detail, nearly VF, but heavily corroded, with verdigris, and cleaned.
It nets Good+ or VG-, or if you prefer, Fine but "scudzy", same difference.

The 1814 looks to be choice Very Fine, nearly EF detail, and a much nicer planchet and color, a few dings that are not uncommensurate with the grade, and I'd still call that coin Choice VF 25 or 30.

Here's an 1812 that is net VF-ish, IMO (full EF detail, but also "scudzy")

These classic head cents are tough!

Everyone: Post pics of your Classic head cents!
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BillJones · December 28, 2003 4:50AM

The 1812 has VF-30 sharpness, but it is pitted and has had corrosion removed. The coin would net down to a VG-10, maybe Fine-12 with some luck.

The 1914 has the sharpness of a VF-35, certainly an EF-40 outside of the Early Coppers Club, but the coin will get a body bag from PCGS and NGC because of the color. They were called it “artificial toning.”

How do I know? Been there, done that.

Early silver can be cleaned to death and early gold can be stripped of its original surfaces and both will grade. Copper gets the shaft, sometimes even when the color is good. Yet some absolutely atrocious copper coin coins get graded. Some dealers think some people get special breaks.

ANACS might ignore the color and given you a full EF-40.

dorkkarl · December 28, 2003 10:14PM

1812: vf-30 detail, commercial net f-12, exactly as billjones said, eac vg-10

1814: au-detail, commercial net xf-45, eac vf-35.

1812 (baley) xf detail, corrosion, commercial net vf-20, eac f-12

K S

ladyship · December 28, 2003 11:47PM

Thanks guys for your comments.
It seems that grading these classic heads is a tough call.
I have looked at and handled hundreds of these looking for decent coins,and the one thing they seem to have in common is the porosity and damage.
The 1812 coin I graded at a vf 20 ( I will maybe send it in to see what happens), and the 1814 is graded AU 50 by pcgs.

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