Ok here goes. PCGS graded this coin MS-62. Now do you agree and what would such a coin be worth today. Personally, I do not agree and I would have graded it MS-61. I still bought the coin just in case I am not seeing the coin the same way the seller is seeing this coin.
The seller said: "Fully lustrous with light surface marks consistent with the grade. Deep yellow gold surfaces. A most attractive example."
I did a double take but wanted to give the seller the benefit of a doubt. The seller is B&M and was sold at auction to me for $483.00. I wanted to take a chance just in case the photograph is making the coin look worse than it is.
I can't seem to find slabbed mint state liberties for less than $450 anymore anyway.
I would've thought 61. Sometimes I've seen 20's that I thought had too many marks for their grade given the bump because of a little bit brighter luster than usual.
Somehow, I have a feeling the photograph is a little out of focus making the coin look worse than it is. The area above the eye that some suggested looks like wear looks like a toned area to me.
Sorry for being late...my guess was MS 60/61, and for my collection, I would not buy it. It seems like the photograph was lightened in such a way to accentuate bagmarks (why would you want to do that?).If I were the consigner, I would be annoyed. Did you see the coin in person before bidding on it?
For $483, you did fine. You could chuck on ebay and easily for $550 plus. According to what I see, generic gold is very strong.
oreville, I was thinking MS62 before I saw your response and I was tempted to look at the B&M auction as I recognized the picture. I have a few perfect examples of $5 libertys that are the exact same type of MS62 as your coin- nice original surfaces with contact marks being the only real reason that it is graded 62. I prefer a 62 like this over a coin with few contact marks and un-original surfaces( better known as a light cleaning) or one with hairlines from a cleaning. I guess it's safe to say that originality is my #1 concern in any grade. Also I am pretty sure the color will be excellent in person. mike
If thats a 62, then the worst of the gold that I will submit soon is a 66....at least. I know thats not true, and the least of my coins is probably a 63, but shouldn't that be impossible given that several people have to grade independently and agree and a final grader has to approve of the grade. I can believe its possible that one or even 2 grade (MAYBE) discrepancy could exist in the final grade compared to what we all agree on, especially in mint state, but how can a coin get by and be off by that far? No offense to the owner, really, but unless the picture doesn't look like the coin, thats not a 62.
MS-60 or 61. It's really baggy which would not make it easy to sell. The value is around $425 to $450, but I would not want it.
Sorry but bag marks drive me nuts.
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<< <i>No offense to the owner, really, but unless the picture doesn't look like the coin, thats not a 62. >>
Meta, 62's come in many varieties. This is how I look at it- all gold coins in ms grades of 62 and down have some problems= bag marks, cleaning, over dipped, hairlines from cleaning, scratches, lack of luster and so on. It's been my experience that most 62's come to be graded as such because of some type of cleaning- you know the type of coin I mean the kind the novice thinks is undergraded because of the lack of marks and cracks it out hoping for a 63-64 but is shocked to get it back in a body bag for cleaning? To me a coin such as Orevilles with original skin and nice color is worth more than a cleaned 62 any day but again this is just my opinion. mike
Going by the photo's, It looks 60- 61 at best, maybe it's a little better in person. As far as value, I dont know what they trade for but it would be at common 60 saint money.
I hope these are not the type coins they are going to use for the grading contest, will all be wrong!
pcgs AND NGC do a horribly inconsistent job of grading coins like this imo. it obviously should be netted down considerably for the bagmarks. you'll see a piece of crap like that in a ms-62, then a totally mark-free coin w/ the slightest touch of friction in a au-58 slab. ridiculous! other than early copper, slabbed gold is the most unreliable plastic out there.
<< <i>piece of crap like that in a ms-62, then a totally mark-free coin w/ the slightest touch of friction in a au-58 slab. >>
I don't think that is ridiculous at all. That is the way it should be because it is the nature of things. Some coins come out of the mint in nice condition and get circulated slightly. Others don't come out of mint at all and look like crap. Now whether the services are CONSISTANT with Low MS vs AU thing is another matter entirely. I see $5 Indians that are clearly AU in MS62 holders because they are NICER than much of the other crap in the same grades. They are MARKET graded.
So it comes down to which type of grading is the RIGHT way: Technical or market? IMO, the grading services are NOT consistant on which they use. It's a little of both at this time......
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(unless the slab looked tampered with)
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
AU-55 -> $400 max
The seller said: "Fully lustrous with light surface marks consistent with the grade. Deep yellow gold surfaces. A most attractive example."
I did a double take but wanted to give the seller the benefit of a doubt. The seller is B&M and was sold at auction to me for $483.00. I wanted to take a chance just in case the photograph is making the coin look worse than it is.
I can't seem to find slabbed mint state liberties for less than $450 anymore anyway.
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For $483, you did fine. You could chuck on ebay and easily for $550 plus. According to what I see, generic gold is very strong.
The luster must be complete or else PCGS would have graded it AU (wouldn't they?)
I hope it turns out good for you
Sorry but bag marks drive me nuts.
<< <i>No offense to the owner, really, but unless the picture doesn't look like the coin, thats not a 62. >>
Meta, 62's come in many varieties. This is how I look at it- all gold coins in ms grades of 62 and down have some problems= bag marks, cleaning, over dipped, hairlines from cleaning, scratches, lack of luster and so on. It's been my experience that most 62's come to be graded as such because of some type of cleaning- you know the type of coin I mean the kind the novice thinks is undergraded because of the lack of marks and cracks it out hoping for a 63-64 but is shocked to get it back in a body bag for cleaning? To me a coin such as Orevilles with original skin and nice color is worth more than a cleaned 62 any day but again this is just my opinion.
Going by the photo's, It looks 60- 61 at best, maybe it's a little better in person. As far as value, I dont know what they trade for but it would be at common 60 saint money.
I hope these are not the type coins they are going to use for the grading contest, will all be wrong!
I promise to take lots of detailed pics and post them here so we can learn.
K S
<< <i>piece of crap like that in a ms-62, then a totally mark-free coin w/ the slightest touch of friction in a au-58 slab. >>
I don't think that is ridiculous at all. That is the way it should be because it is the nature of things. Some coins come out of the mint in nice condition and get circulated slightly. Others don't come out of mint at all and look like crap. Now whether the services are CONSISTANT with Low MS vs AU thing is another matter entirely. I see $5 Indians that are clearly AU in MS62 holders because they are NICER than much of the other crap in the same grades. They are MARKET graded.
So it comes down to which type of grading is the RIGHT way: Technical or market? IMO, the grading services are NOT consistant on which they use. It's a little of both at this time......
jom