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Here we go again: EBAY - 1936 "proof set" - someone's going to get killed! (special tri

DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
Here we go again.

Only this time it's a MINT STATE 1936 set that looks so much like a proof set that the bid is already over $4,000.00 !!!!!!!!!!

Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (link)
Doug
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    ALL COINS ARE MS63 OR BETTER


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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>DO NOT BID WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES FIRST!!! >>



    Translation: I know these are really business strikes, but since I told you to look at the pictures, I won't be taking them back.

    Russ, NCNE
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    SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    I say people who can spend $4,000 or more on a set of 1936 mint state coins which according to the seller grade MS63 or better deserve to part with their money. They obviously have no knowledge of what a 1936 proof coin should look like yet they are ready to put down $4,000+. Maybe these 1936 coins are worth that kind of money to them cause the holder says Proof. JMHO. Steveimage
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    And he's got the nerve to charge $20 shipping.


    Added: I can't believe these people are bidding thousands on something they obviously don't know anything about. I don't understand that.
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    The guy/gal reno, with 14 feedback I might add, must be a glutton for punishment, plum stupid or into SHILLISM. He/She met the 1200 res. on the last auction.
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    TayTayTayTay Posts: 465 ✭✭
    But look what he bought!

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    Edited to add: that's on the second page of his feedback
    "What are you putting that tape on your nose for?"
    "Exactly."

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    Guy/gal reno has spent some real cake on coins as well. image
    Dave
    In Laurel
    MD

    Just a fist full of Dollars
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    LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    Knowledge is power. 4k but not enough brains to look it up!
    DSW
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    The images are so (intentionally?) poor, that I can't tell for certain, whether the coins are Proofs or not. But, I strongly suspect they aren't.

    I sent the email below to the seller - I would encourage others to contact the seller about both of his "proof sets" - perhaps we can at least discourage him:


    "Dear seller,

    You have said this is a Proof set but from the images, the coins appear to be business strikes and not proofs. You also say they grade "MS63 or better". Did you mean "Proof 63 or better" and are you guaranteeing these coins are proof?

    Thanks."



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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's see:

    Read the whole description carefully.

    All coins MS63 or better.

    DO NOT BID WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES FIRST!!!

    He makes sure to use colors so you can hardly even read the description.

    This is one deceitful seller and knows it. I would place him/her in the POS bin.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    Catch22Catch22 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭
    I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it's about time somebody sued the pants off of ebay to require some accountability for fraud. This seller has over 98% feedback which demonstrates that ebay is seriously unable to address the many instances of fraud going on with their site.

    Irregardless of what the seller says in the body of his auction, the title clearly states "Proof."

    You can bet, one of these days, ebay is going to be held accountable for contributing to fraud by not having reasonable safeguards to combat it.


    When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary.

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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From the about me page:

    That't because we are not really pirates. But we do come up with some good loot.

    (yes the spelling error, one of many, is there too).

    You know when you are being robbed by a pirate, so I guess they are not one.
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It just gives me that sick feeling to see someone put out $4,000 on $40 worth of coins. What is that a 10,000% premium?

    He is also selling a PCGS blue box. How many people do you know that are ignorant of coin values AND have a PCGS blue box?
    Doug
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    baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    That's got to be the best investment ever. A $5 Capitol holder nets $4,000 profit.
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm gonna get flamed for this, but it's about time somebody sued the pants off of ebay to require some accountability for fraud. This seller has over 98% feedback which demonstrates that ebay is seriously unable to address the many instances of fraud going on with their site.

    Irregardless of what the seller says in the body of his auction, the title clearly states "Proof."

    You can bet, one of these days, ebay is going to be held accountable for contributing to fraud by not having reasonable safeguards to combat it. >>



    Been tried more than once. Ebay has not lost a case (as far as I know).
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Come now, people, it's probably just coincidence that he happened to purchase a holder that's identical to the one in which this set is housed. After all, he's a father of seven and grandfather of two.

    Russ, NCNE
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is another 1936 scam: A set of coins "commemorating" the coins of 1936. Note the seller calls it a 1936 Proof Set. Maybe he can get $2,000 for it!!!!

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    Link to EBay auction currently at $76.00: LINK HERE
    Doug
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    If that capital plastics proof set went for $4000 and it really looks like crap, what do you think the one above could fetch. It's much better looking than the $4000 set
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    I can think of a dozen reasons not to have high capacity magazines, but it's the reasons I haven't thought about that I need them.
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    baccarudabaccaruda Posts: 2,588 ✭✭
    Oh, you guys...

    It says "Proof Set" right on the plastic holder. It must be a proof set.
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the "tribute" proof Lincoln has a mintmark on it!!!image
    Doug
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    The question I have is where are all these buyers for my real proof sets?

    It never ceases to amaze me that people wuld spend that kind of $$$ on proof sets over e-bay, but PT Barnum said it best!
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    MSD61MSD61 Posts: 3,382
    Hey where is "ORLADO,FL" anyway?????
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    XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    The bid is down to $3600. Could someone have canceled their bid? I didn't know you could do it that fast.
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    XpipedreamRXpipedreamR Posts: 8,059 ✭✭
    The bid is down to $3600. Could someone have canceled their bid? I didn't know you could do it that fast/easily.
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    The guy that now holds the high bid should be retracting his shortly...image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    It just occured to me! Would the next highest bidder have a responsibility to purchase, even though the high bidder has retracted their bid? I never really thought about it before until now...Oh well!...image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    lclugzalclugza Posts: 568 ✭✭
    I think I can see mint lustre on the Ebay proof set. And a "cartwheel" effect.

    And did you notice on the other one- not only does the cent have a mint mark, but the quarter has one too- and on the obverse (instead of the reverse like real 1936D and 1936S quarters!)

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    foodudefoodude Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭
    That's got to be the best investment ever. A $5 Capitol holder nets $4,000 profit.

    Maybe another buying the plastic not the coinimage
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    I see no evidence that any of the coins are proof. Will ebay EVER police their listings?!?

    Some naive buyer is going to get slammed!!

    Mike
    Coppernicus

    Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish I knew when the reserve was met. I think that would go along way toward showing intent.
    Doug
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    tsacchtsacch Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭
    I see no evidence that any of the coins are proof. Will ebay EVER police their listings?!?

    I attempted to sell an old laptop on the bay..........it had Win95 on it and I listed as such. I said the unit didnt come with the Operating system disks or licence. My listing got cancelled on day 5 of a 7 day auction.

    they selectively police....randomly

    they police when notified and its glaringly obvious. In this case if they are notified they would probably ignore it as they are not coin experts.

    Tom
    Family, kids, coins, sports (playing not watching), jet skiing, wakeboarding, Big Air....no one ever got hurt in the air....its the sudden stop that hurts. I hate Hurricane Sandy. I hate FEMA and i hate the blasted insurance companies.
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    I emailed the guy/gal that holds the current bid regarding this person's FELONIOUS ASSULT on the GOOD hearted numismatists. Their response was "Thank you"! There's a few scenarios here, I think, as to why they've yet to retract their bid like the guy/gal that held the $4000 bid last evening...1) The guy/gal that did retract last evening was a SHILL...2) The person holding the present bid is afraid of receiving a NEG. either by the vendor or a ebay NASTYGRAM (*uck'EM for all that matters)..and..3) The person that does hold the current bid thinks I'm a nut trying to attain this beautiful proof set at a cheaper price by emailing bidders convincing them to retract their bids...4) The bidder's just plain IGNORANT to the fact...image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    If these buyers persist, they deserve to get burned!

    You go out and try to be a nice guy, and they think you are trying to screw them!

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    Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986

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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    To me, this is more fraud than usual as the buyer is buying MS coins from that era. It looks like he is recently assembling the sets from MS coins. Clearly intentional fraud, not just incompetance.

    Tom
    Tom

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    To me, this is more fraud than usual as the buyer is buying MS coins from that era. It looks like he is recently assembling the sets from MS coins. Clearly intentional fraud, not just incompetance.

    What should we altruistic and prudential numismatists do in order to deter such antics by,...BOTTOM LINE,...A$$hole vendors such as the one of question? Any solutions?...image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    tsacchtsacch Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭
    AS long as there is free trading like this on the bay.........not much can be done. let the buyer beware
    Family, kids, coins, sports (playing not watching), jet skiing, wakeboarding, Big Air....no one ever got hurt in the air....its the sudden stop that hurts. I hate Hurricane Sandy. I hate FEMA and i hate the blasted insurance companies.
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    MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    OMG!!! Back above $4000!!!! image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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    OMG!!! Back above $4000!!!!

    Now that's the best one yet! LMFAO...image
    It'll be a definate TREAT if someone tops it...I'm dyin' over hereimageimage
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    What are your guys' opinions as to why these people are bidding so much on this kind of item? I just don't get it.
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    cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    High Bidder =

    thisisnotaproofset!( 0 )
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
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    << <i>High Bidder =

    thisisnotaproofset!( 0 ) >>




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    I just hope that if thisisnotaproofset wins and backs out of the deal, the next lower bidder doesn't get suckered into buying as a second chance offer.
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    I just hope that if thisisnotaproofset wins and backs out of the deal, the next lower bidder doesn't get suckered into buying as a second chance offer.

    That's the NUMBSKULL, and I use the term loosely, that I emailed who's failed, thus far, to retract his/her bid. So, if the NUMBSKULL FITS, WEAR IT!...image
    What is money, in reality, but dirty pieces of paper and metal upon which privilege is stamped?
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    BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,542 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Definitely not proof coins.
    US Navy CWO3 retired. 12/81-09/04

    Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
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    GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085
    Years ago proof set scammers would chrome plate business strike coins and sell them to the unknowing as proofs and well...at least they appeared to be a proof and possibly could fool you.

    There is no excuse here though.

    It is obvious that these bidders can't even tell the difference between a proof and business strike.
    A thing of beauty is a joy for ever
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    I still just don't understand why people with this much money to blow apparently do ZERO research on what they are buying???? I spent $300 on a stereo receiver a while back and I researched reviews, prices, for almost a month before finally buying something. Before I would spend $4000 on anything I would make damn sure I knew what it was I was buying. I just don't get it....
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I just hope that if thisisnotaproofset wins and backs out of the deal, the next lower bidder doesn't get suckered into buying as a second chance offer.

    That's the NUMBSKULL, and I use the term loosely, that I emailed who's failed, thus far, to retract his/her bid. >>



    Let's see, an eBay ID of "thisisnotaproofset" from a bidder who just registered. HMM...think about that for a minute. I don't think it's a numbskull.

    Russ, NCNE
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    TayTayTayTay Posts: 465 ✭✭
    I think Razorface emailed the underbidder, not the high bidder. If the underbidder took a second chance offer...what more can you do?
    A fool and his money...
    "What are you putting that tape on your nose for?"
    "Exactly."

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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    I think there is a time table on bid retractions - not sure if they can after so many hours of being placed or so many hours before close
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    MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Less than 30 minutes left!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

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