Grade this Kennedy

ksteelheader · November 15, 2003 11:22PM

for me, please.....Ken
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DHeath · November 15, 2003 11:32PM

Ken,

It looks to me to have super mirrors, with VERY LIGHT hairlining in the left obverse field. The milk spot is an issue. The cameo is heavy enough for cam, but based only on the pic I think it would not get the dcam designation. I might feel differently with the coin in hand, but the devices seem silver instead of white. My advice is that it is a coin worth sending to NCS prior to submission. It is a VERY nice example sans the milk spot. Grading it AS IS, I'd say MS65 Cam. I think post NCS, it is likely to be MS67 Cam if the spot comes out and the hairlines are as minor as they seem. JMO

Don

XpipedreamR · November 16, 2003 12:05AM

66, probably CAM

Cam40 · November 16, 2003 12:57AM

nice mirrors.

i agree with Don on NCS to cure the whatever it is above the first 6.

looks atleast a cameo to me. maybe not a DCAM but may be a UCAM if you know what I mean.

kieferscoins · November 16, 2003 1:03AM

66CAM.

Cameron Kiefer

coppercoins · November 16, 2003 2:03AM

MS65 CAM. The spot is too big for anything higher, not to mention the many really small spots that add up.

Russ · November 16, 2003 3:31AM

As is, technical 65CAM, with a bump to 66CAM for unusually good mirrors.

Russ, NCNE

Baley · November 16, 2003 3:35AM

I'll say 65 CAM, no bump to 66, it does have exceptional mirrors and nice frost, but the spot over the first 6 catches the eye, and leads it to the friction at the jaw and neck truncation, the reverse is fully 66 but the obv is a weak 65, overall I like the coin as a 65CAM and maybe 65DCAM because of the outstanding contrast, certainly a nice coin.

Russ · November 16, 2003 4:04AM

You guys need to remember that you're looking at a 400 pixel image. The spot will not be nearly as eye catching in hand and, when combined with the overall excellent "look" of the coin, would likely not be enough to keep it down at 65.

Take a look at this one:

The last time PCGS had it in, it graded 68, even with that big ugly milk spot at the top of the reverse. It's a technical 67 because of the spot, (and actually graded 67 on one trip), but got a bump because the overall "look" is spectacular. It graded 67DCAM, then graded 68CAM. It's in again after some additional TLC, (spot has been dramatically reduced), and this time it will grade 68DCAM.

With proof cameo coins, PCGS tends to be a lot harder on hairlines than they are on spots. They also hate giving the DCAM designation so they will frequently just CAM a coin that probably should be DCAM, but bump the grade a point. The coin I posted above is a perfect example of that.

Russ, NCNE

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