Some grades (and a bodybag) from across the street.

291fifth · November 14, 2003 9:21AM

Yesterday I received my first Earlybird shipmet. It only involved three coins. The submission went across the street because the other two 1936-M US-Philippines commems in my set are already in NGC holders and I wanted a matched set. Here are the results:

1860 Pointed Bust Indian Cent, submitted raw, formerly in a SEGS MS64 holder. Came back as MS64, just as it should have as the coin is nice and original. Marketability will be much better if I ever decide to sell.

1908-S Indian Cent, submitted raw, formerly in a SEGS MS64RED (which I actually believe IS the correct grade) then in an ANACS MS63RB holder. NGC body bagged it for "artificial color". I don't agree with this one as I believe the coin, which is somewhat prooflike, is original. In my opinion the coin is MS64RED. I am disgusted with the results on this coin. I went over to my local dealer this afternoon and bought a Capital Plastics lucite "cent" holder. This coin is now in that holder. That is where it will stay since it is part of my "interesting items" collection. The slabbing services won't make any more money on this one. I was especially annoyed with NGC for informing me that this coin could be slabbed by NCS as genuine. Since I already paid $28 why don't they just go ahead and slab it rather than sending it back in a body bag!!! Do they think they are going to get more money from me? Not a chance on this coin!!!

1936-M US-Philippines "Murphy-Quezon" Commonwealth commemorative peso. Bought and submitted raw. A winner on this one as it came back MS66. This coin is a well struck, beautifully toned gem. I normally don't buy raw anymore but this one was an exception as I bought it from a local dealer and was able to examine it closely before the purchase. It was a beauty and I knew it. This coin had apparently been off the market for between 40 and 50 years.

Since these are earlier coins I thought they would be of interest to some of the forum members.

Russ · November 14, 2003 9:32AM

NGC has gotten very, very conservative on copper recently. They nailed me but good on the last IHC I sent them. MS63BN, my ass.

Russ, NCNE

BillJones · November 14, 2003 10:09AM

If BOTH services were as hard on silver and gold as they are on copper, there would not be enough plastic in the world to make enough body bags. I've sent in silver coins that had the dickens cleaned out of them, and they got graded sometimes 10 to 15 points higher than I would have graded them. I've seen early gold coins that had had their original skins completely cleaned off of them, and into a holder they go.

BUT with copper, the coin can be 100% original, and it gets zapped. Their motto with copper is, if there is the slightest doubt BB it. Of course if it came from Pitman or some other big collector, it can ugly as sin and totally worked on and it still gets graded.

I HATE the way BOTH services grade copper. The results show that their graders are TOTALLY ignorant when it comes to copper.

mdwoods · November 14, 2003 10:47AM

If you ever get a picture of the Peso, I'd love to see it.

291fifth · November 14, 2003 11:05AM

<< <i>If you ever get a picture of the Peso, I'd love to see it. >>

If we can get together with Keets at the MSNS show I'll show it (and the other two) to you in person.

mdwoods · November 14, 2003 11:19AM

I'll be there, and I'd love to see it and any other goodies you have. I plan on meeting up with Keets at the show. I'll be attending Friday and Saturday.

Some grades (and a bodybag) from across the street.

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