Identifying Small and Large Motto Two Cents?

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• Julian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭

  November 10, 2003 9:30PM

  The D in God is smaller and wider on the SM. If you cannot see the motto, the value would be minimal.

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• LanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

  November 10, 2003 10:57PM

  On the small motto the "W" in We nearly touches the loop in the ribbon, in the large motto there is a significant space between the W and the loop.
  
  As stated above, if the coin is worn enough to make it impossible to see the characteristics of the small motto, it's not worth too much.

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• mdwoods Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 12:35AM

  I have trouble seeing the difference too. Thanks for the explanation guys.

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• kranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 12:47AM

  It also seems that on the Large Motto version, the U in TRUST is a little larger than the rest of the letters in the word. The U is clearly taller than wide on the LM and more square on the SM.

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• LanLord Posts: 11,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 12:49AM

  I'm gonna call someone on this post full of crap
  
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  Sorry, not the W in We, the T in Trust is closer to the loop in the ribbon.
  
  I was suffering from a cranial-rectal inversion.

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• Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭

  November 11, 2003 1:05AM

  Small motto
  Look at the inside of the D of GOD. On the small motto the opening is almost as wide as it is high. On the large motto it is almost three times as high as it is wide. Look at the first T in TRUST. On the small motto the left foot of the the T almost touches the fold of the ribbon. On the large motto the T is taller and more slender with the left foot well away from the fold of the ribbon. (I believe Lanlord was saying W when he mean T.) On the uppermost cluster of leaves on the right the full leaf has a long distinct stem ending well left of the edge of the ribon fold on the small motto. On the large motto that stem is much shorter and less distinct and it end just about even with the edge of the fold.
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  Here is a picture that shows the stem on the leaf on the smal motto well. That stem is visible even when the motto is worn off.
  

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• mdwoods Posts: 5,558 ✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 1:08AM

  Thanks Condor, that makes it very clear.

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• Russ Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 1:27AM

  
  
  Large motto top, small motto bottom.
  
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• moosesr Posts: 1,966 ✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 4:00AM

  Thanks everyone, I can see the difference now.
  
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• Garneteye Posts: 1,168

  November 11, 2003 4:47AM

  Thanks to every one who answered, I learned something today.
  
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• BillJones Posts: 34,741 ✭✭✭✭✭

  November 11, 2003 7:18AM

  Even if the coin is worn down to Fair or AG with none of the motto visible, you can still identify the small motto variety. On the small motto the entire shield and scroll are closer to the top of the obverse than it is on the large motto variety. You can see this on the photos that Russ posted.
  
  Another poster was right. If the coin is worn that much, the fact that it’s a small motto won’t add much to the value, but if you want a space filler…
  

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