A Commemerative question..........

keets · November 6, 2003 11:28PM

Oftentimes a seemingly lovely coin is listed for sale in a raw state and it's met with opinions which ask why it's still raw if it's so nice or state that it probably was submitted and rejected at least once by a major grading service, rejected and now is being offered raw. Logical assumptions, especially when the seller regularly auctions coins with rainbow toning and high grades. Given these facts, what do you think of this coin with regard to the color and the fact that it's still raw?

I have no reason to suspect that it is/isn't what it's purported to be, album toned. What does cause me to be cautious is the almost totally red obverse which lies mainly in the fields and the apparent lack of luster. Who'll dare to comment on this coin??

Al H.

MrEureka · November 6, 2003 11:36PM

It doesn't look like album toning to me, but it does look completely original.

LanLord · November 6, 2003 11:44PM

Al, nice looking Oregon.

I am not so sure I agree with the mindset that anything worth having would be in a slab, and, therefore, if it's not in a slab, there is a "reason" it's still raw.

I think that there are a lot of coins out there that are in the hands of people that don't want slabbed coins, there are probably even some people that don't trust the certified grading companies.

I think this is where the insights from this board can be valuable if not taken as always "gospel".

There are many good brains here that can highlight why a particular coin may be suspect, those are good opinions to listen to. However, for anyone to state without a doubt, that a raw coin has an evil past, is simply unbelieveable.

I like that commem, I'd be proud to have it in my collection, but then I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so, get some other opnions.

BillJones · November 6, 2003 11:46PM

The coin looks "original" to me, but I don't find it overly attractive. It was probably soap and watered years ago in put into an envelope, probably moist. The parts that touched the paper did not tone; the parts that were away from the paper did tone. I've never cared much for these pieces with deep toning coupled with white sections.

At any rate slabbing this piece is marginal. It's only worth $120 wholesale. Usually a coin should be worth at least a couple hundred to make slabbing it worthwhile.

ClausUrch · November 7, 2003 12:00AM

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LucyBop · November 7, 2003 12:41AM

Oh No... its that Stevens cat again......

Stevens.... where's Lucilles Winged Liberty?

artdeco · November 7, 2003 1:34AM

I think it's important to note that we all know who this seller is, AND that he has no negatives or neutrals within the last six months. To have nearly 600 feedbacks with 6 negatives, more than half a year ago, isn't too shabby!

MacCoin · November 7, 2003 1:44AM

heck is a Commemerative! I would not waste my money having it graded. to me the are some coins you just don't submit and Commemeratives are some of them proof state quarters are another.

EvilMCT · November 7, 2003 2:07AM

If this were from some other, unknown seller, I would pass on it. The colors do not look right to me, but I am no expert. I avoid buying toned coins that aren't in hand. Knowing who the seller is would persuade me to think about it, but I would still pass. I do not have a problem with the coin being raw, I have a problem with not being a commemorative collector.

Ken

commemguy · November 7, 2003 2:07AM

The coin is a 1926-S Oregon, which can be found with autumn colors or purples and blues, much more frequently than other Oregon issues (especially the 1926-P). This looks like original color to me, and the luster (satiny) is also typical of the issue. Here's another 1926-S that displays a similar palate of colors, albeit more wild and vibrant. It is certified NGC MS67:

coinguy1 · November 7, 2003 2:09AM

Coinguy must agree with that "commemguy" guy in this instance, even if we do work together.

LAWMAN · November 7, 2003 2:18AM

I was about to say the obverse looks like a blowtorch job until I saw Commemguy's coin with both sides looking like that. Hmmm.

There ought to be a bodybagged registry to be able to see exactly what % of raw coins are raw because of BB'ing as opposed to somebody never getting around to getting it slabbed.

keets · November 7, 2003 2:45AM

despite some of the reassuring comments, that link by Claus seems to be the most telling. six weeks and the coin offered raw begs me to pass. thanks for the input everyone.

al h.

relayer · November 7, 2003 3:18AM

<< <i>Coinguy must agree with that "commemguy" guy in this instance, even if we do work together. >>

Tell us how you taught a monkey to grade coins.

Pretty impressive

BTW - I'll stick with my comments on the old post thread (Nice, but I'd pass)

A Commemerative question..........

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