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Chopmarked 1804 discovered! READ THE DETAILS!!!!!!!

Jade Coin Announces Discovery and Acquisition of Famous 1804 Rarity
BY CARO LINUS
August 29, 2003, St. Louis, MO

With the recent $1.2 million sale of the famous Adams-Carter specimen 1804 American Silver dollar still fresh in the minds of numismatists nationwide, it is no surprise that rarities of great magnitude are attracting headline attention. As most coin collectors well know, only 15 specimens of the 1804 dollar are known to exist. In an unprecedented move yesterday, Jade Coin Company of Grand Rapids, MI, announced the discovery and acquisition of another fabled numismatic rarity.

"We are fortunate to have been able to make this amazing acquisition of an 1804," said Dennis Tarrant, President and CEO of Jade Coin Company. "Our acquisition two months ago of the hoard of five holed large-cents caused quite a stir, but our announcement today should really put us on the map."

The 1804 acquired by Jade Coin is the only specimen known to exhibit chopmarks, which are little Chinese characters counterstamped or punched into the suface of coins to confirm their exchange value in the far East. The use of chopmarks confirmed the coin to be genuine and of full silver weight. Prior to today's announcement, no 1804 silver dollars were known to feature chopmarks.

"What really amazed me was the amount of circulation evident on the coin." stated Mr. Tarrant. "By today's standards, this coin would only grade VG (very-good) at best, but we are presently in negotiations with PGCS (Pretty Good Certification Service) in hopes they will certify and encapsulate this coin as genuine, grade notwithstanding. Should they choose to body-bag the coin, we will likely have it certified at Accu-Greed, since the encapsulation technology was originally developed by that firm, and their reputation is well-established.".

The provenance, or origin, of the coin is unknown. It was purchased from the stock of a foreign coin dealer in Shiroh, an ancient trading port in Northern Indo-China. Mr. Tarrant postulates that the coin saw normal circulation activity for many years before being plucked from circulation and set aside as a collectible. Furthermore, although it is accepted that the fifteen previously known 1804 silver dollars were struck posthumously, probably during the 1830's, the Jade Coin specimen is believed to have actually been struck in 1804.

When pressed for what plans lay in store for the discovery coin, Mr. Tarrant seemed reluctant to speculate.

"We're obviously interested in selling the coin, but only if the appropriate profit-margin can be realized." he said. "We paid over $9 US for it, and when you include shipping and handling charges, the total cost is well over fifteen dollars. Plus, once you tack on the charge for certification, I can honestly say that we will need to sell the coin for at least $36.95 just to break even." James Garcia, staff member of the firm's Display Case Windexing department, suggested that the coin may be placed in a major auction. "Our best shot at recouping our investment may be to make sure this coin gets maximum exposure, like in a national auction".

Mr. Garcia also mentioned that so far, neither Hermitage Auctions nor Bowels and Hernia Galleries had returned calls concerning their inquiries. "We were hoping to hear back from their representatives, but we understand both firms are busy preparing catalogs for the upcoming State Quarter Extravaganza in Salt Lick City. If we don't hear something soon, we intend to list this coin on eBay, where it is certain to realize strong value."

Jade Coin asks that all inquiries regarding this coin be directed to their Fictional Resources department. You can view in image of this coin on-line by visiting online at http://www.earlyus.com/temp/1804.jpg.

Comments

  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    That is a cool coin. You say that it is genuine?? What would its value be? Is it from Mexico or Spain?

    Congratulations.

    Tom
    Tom

  • Hmmm.... Trying to decide if it's late for an April Fool's joke or just early????

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    Bill Ferguson
  • Ok.......you got me.image
  • Man...you guys got too much time on your hands. Quit screwing around and get to work.
  • Man...you guys got too much time on your hands. Quit screwing around and get to work.

    agentjim, funny that you should mention that. I was thinking the same thing as I am here in my Michigan office working my arse off, while James is playing on the internet all day. OK James, you heard the man, "GET TO WORK!!!!"

    Dennis
  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    Shiroh is definitely going to want this one!

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  • Believe it or not, Shiroh inspired it!
  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    PGCSimage
  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    The write-up is great....really great. Enjoyed the read.

    Mike Printz
    Larry Whitlow, Ltd.
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    Mike Printz
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  • ROFLMFAOPIMPWBOTF
  • LAWMANLAWMAN Posts: 1,274 ✭✭
    You forgot to mention that the coin had Thomas Jefferson's DNA on it and that the same group of Japanese scientists who are working on cloning a Wooly Mammoth have an option to remove the Jefferson DNA from the coin, cross it with the Mammoth, and clone a Wooly Jefferson (the first in a series of Dead Presidents cross-bred with extinct animals). And you thought alpaca farming was cool!
    DSW
  • jharjhar Posts: 1,126
    WAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
    J'har
  • This was the dollar from the long lost King of Spam proof set. Do you have the rest of the set? How about the original metal can that the set came in? This could top the reemergence of the 5th 1913 Liberty Head nickel as the top numismatic story of the year!
  • This was the dollar from the long lost King of Spam proof set

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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
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    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    you trying to unseat clankeye or something? nobody tops clankeye!!!

    (but a valiant effort...)

    K S
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Got me on this one! Great job!
  • If anyone's interested, HERE is what our 1804 rarity sold for!
  • Nice job and pretty nice coin--looks to be an 8 reale from the Mexico City Mint --I've got a similar 1810.
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
  • So now that you have an 1804 Dollar, is Jeremy off the hook for selling that Stella for $4? lol jk...
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cute story Dennis. The humorous sarcasm targeted at some large established well-known industry organizations reminded me of how the movie Shrek played fun with the Disney organization...

    I recently saw an AU/UNC Trade Dollar chop-marked on both obverse & reverse for under $100.

    Anybody out there have any estimates of what this coin may be worth?? I guess I should have paid attention to the date/mm, but I assumed a common date coin.

    It was so heavily "chop marked" that the coin was bent resulting from the blows.

    Thanks in advance for letting me know if I should track it down and buy it.


    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

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  • Cute story Dennis.

    Stuart, actually the credit (or blame) goes to James for that story. He's the creative writer at our company. The only thing that I do at Jade Rare Coin is roll wheat cents all day long. James handles the rarities and designs/maintains our web site.
  • So now that you have an 1804 Dollar, is Jeremy off the hook for selling that Stella for $4?

    Brian, Jeremy is not off of the hook until he sends me the 1842 Seated Half variety (errant 4) that he cherry picked!
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,335 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So now that you have an 1804 Dollar, is Jeremy off the hook for selling that Stella for $4?

    Brian, Jeremy is not off of the hook until he sends me the 1842 Seated Half variety (errant 4) that he cherry picked! >>

    I didn't cherrypick it! Don't I have to realize what the coin is for it to be cherrypicked? image

    I'll probably send it to NGC... then I'm considering what else to do with it...
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,673 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was thinkin' the chopmarks took the shape of four letters: C-O-P-Y. image

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  • Lordmarcovan--looks reale to me!
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
  • lol---I'll take it and you know why. AND any others I can get out of your tightly grasped hands. Oh so benevolent me be now. lol
    James---see mail from me 3 days ago
    Its a foul ball by a fair margin.

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