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Does this 1945 Merc look likes it's in a slab to you guys?

RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
"1945 FSB King Of FSB in Short Set Tough Coin"

The seller says in the listing "This is a unslabbed coin", but it sure looks like it's holdered to me. This one doesn't pass the smell test.

Russ, NCNE

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    jbstevenjbsteven Posts: 6,178
    would not go FSB
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    wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    He's trying to sell a 50% fsb in a PCGS holder as full fsb, therefore the tilted angle.
    Nice trick, but I have seen too many 45 Mercs.

    Brian.
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    PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Yes. Maybe the picture was taken before a crackout upgrade attempt and it came back lower.
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    doopsdoops Posts: 498


    << <i>"1945 FSB King Of FSB in Short Set Tough Coin"

    The seller says in the listing "This is a unslabbed coin", but it sure looks like it's holdered to me. This one doesn't pass the smell test.

    Russ, NCNE >>


    oh, it's in a pcgs slab alright and it aint designated no fb either and it's got strong center bands but will NEVER go...it's in a $15 pcgs 1945-p ms66 holder....this one is going to be interesting. guy is only 15 minutes from us....schemer....AND a definite connection with another nearby duo of shillers and schemers who buy slabs, crack em, sell em raw for 2 grades up getting one grade down but still 1 grade more than the holder it was bought in,etc,etc lots of commems,that sort of stuff....a very common and easy m/o to put finger on....beechslap is in order
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    It might just be a possibility that the guy doesn't know what slabbing means. He has only had 33 sales. Im probably wrong image
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    doopsdoops Posts: 498


    << <i>It might just be a possibility that the guy doesn't know what slabbing means. He has only had 33 sales. Im probably wrong image >>


    WRONG, fully in the know full fledged schemer
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    wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    If he is taking a scan of a PCGS slab, how can he not know what slabbing is? LOL.

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    Brian
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    Not even close to FSB, and you can tell just by reading the auction details: all my auctions are final.....
    Paul Fillmore
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    DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720
    I've got a half dozen nicer than that one, all raw, all 75% FSB.

    He's getting $285 ?? I'd be happy to sell all of mine for $285 and I'll throw in shipping/insurance.

    Gonna be one major unhappy buyer, or a clueless one who will be crushed down the road.

    Sad...........image
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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    Definitely NOT a full band.


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    wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    I can't believe it got 27 bids and is up to $285.00 . Thats the scary part, also out of 34 feedbacks , the seller already has a neg, and everyone should read that neg. again.

    Brian
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    his negative came on an Indian Head - read the description there


    also that penny looks like one I had that was whizzed and copperplated

    ebay 3037231342
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41086&item=3037231342indianhead picture/scam?
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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    how pathethic - thats full bands like its not raining in NY again today - notice he states he's got angles of every which way hmm I seem to notice only one angle in different poses.

    Marc
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    MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 815 ✭✭✭
    I don't trust this seller. I just bought a 1942-D/D jefferson that turned out to be normal 1942-D jefferson. Prior to bidding he agreed to allow a return, but is not responding to my e-mails. The auction was on Yahoo. He does not yet have any negatives (just 8 positives).

    Mark
    Mark
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    "there is a little flat spot on the center band"----but he still claims FSB! $285???
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
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    jomjom Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, here's the deal. This is a RARE coin folks. Regardless of whether you think it's a scam or not 1945 dimes with a near-FB go for as much as $200 a pop. $285 is NOT unreasonable for a true 66. Someone said this "wasn't even close" to FB. Not true, it is VERY close It won't go FB but it IS worth a premium.

    On the other hand...here are the problems I see:

    There is NO RETURN POLICY.
    Quoting prices that are clearly for slabbed coins. He says the coin is NOT slabbed.
    There is the question of the overall grade. 66??? Maybe....

    jom
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    DeadhorseDeadhorse Posts: 3,720


    << <i>OK, here's the deal. This is a RARE coin folks. Regardless of whether you think it's a scam or not 1945 dimes with a near-FB go for as much as $200 a pop. $285 is NOT unreasonable for a true 66. Someone said this "wasn't even close" to FB. Not true, it is VERY close It won't go FB but it IS worth a premium.

    jom >>



    Hmmmm, really? Maybe I need to reassess the half dozen or so I've got in envelopes in the closet.
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It might just be a possibility that the guy doesn't know what slabbing means. >>



    Oh, this one knows what slabbing means. He's scamming a raw Accented Hair Kennedy right now that's covered in milk spots that he's calling "little white specks or lint" while also calling the coin a deep cameo and perfect. I sent him an eMail telling him what the spots were, and that the coin would grade about PR66 and isn't a DCAM.

    This is his response:



    << <i>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
    From: james alford <antiquerecord@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #3038704478
    To: sales@compucheap.com

    white spots could be as you say i own a min of 5000 slabbed deep cameos and yes it most certainly is deep cameo not cameo.i buy them to resell and invest in but don't care about proofs as a whole so i won't argue about white spots except i was able to blow some off.if i would have chosen with my camera i could have made the deepest cameo coin you ever saw but unless there is a reason i don't alter my photo's so be careful how you judge a photo.by the way are you a buyer or just a auction conisseur.and don't get me wrong i don't mine criticism but maybe i should have been done i a question rather than someone stating it as if were a fact from the almighty or something.and just so you will know i could have hidden white spots with my camera also.i'm not trying to make something be that it is not.with camera or words.you didn't know about deep cameo so that's all i know for sure about you so i quess i will file the rest of your advice in the same place.thank you your majesty!
    james >>



    I'd bet a dollar to a donut this is a seller that's been NARUed under a different account and is back. Most of his auctions reek.

    Russ, NCNE
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    MacCoinMacCoin Posts: 2,544 ✭✭
    photo swaps have been going around on ebay for ever. you know that Merc is in a slab.
    image


    I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.

    Always looking for nice type coins

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    wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    It would seem that he has no idea about punctuation or grammar. I would stay away.

    Brian
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    Looks like it is still in the soft plastic ring of a slab but not in the slab.
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    DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Look who is the near underbidder:

    Bidders' list


    image
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    wingedlibertywingedliberty Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭
    jefnpcb.


    He's a member here , isn't he?


    Brian.
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    doopsdoops Posts: 498
    to:antiquerecord@yahoo.com
    subject:re:1945 merc

    Hi James, Jeff's Coins, Inc. over here in Jackson. A guy from Pcgs and Ebay both emailed me wanting Mike or myself to come look at the 1945 dime you have run on Ebay in a Pcgs slab selling it as raw but wanted me to see it in the slab first before you cracked it out to send "raw" to the bidder. They are both watching this auction (Pcgs and Ebay) so I told them I would be happy to. Please advise your earliest convenient time for me to do so. They said they would contact the buyer with my findings. Thanks, Jeff




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    doopsdoops Posts: 498
    yank......
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    jomjom Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmmmm, really? Maybe I need to reassess the half dozen or so I've got in envelopes in the closet. >>



    Yeah, maybe you should.

    jom
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    doopsdoops Posts: 498
    ah ha ! got a response. now it's in an icg intercept shield slab, not pcgs. (which was a lure anyway)
    so make that an ms64 merc dime $10 bucks, add in a premium for fairly decent bands and you may can push 50-75 bux out of it for someone to have a decent 45-p.
    it's kind of like a 50 proof 65 cam half that is alllllllmoooooooooost a dcam.....well it's worth a premium
    over the typical example but not dcam money by any stretch.....
    or a 65sms lincoln with decent mirrors,noticeable light to moderate contrast,"kinda looks cameo"
    yeah, worth a premium,sell em all the time for 25-75 bux, but get one in a pcgs 65 or 66 holder with "cam on it" spotted,fugly or not and watch it go for some stupid money...
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    Edited by curious george. Nevermind.
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    MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 815 ✭✭✭
    In fairness to this seller, I must add that he fianlly agreed to let me return the 1942-D jefferson because he stated that he would prior to my bidding. I will not buy from him again.
    Mark

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