Where can you get a slab machine?

kieferscoins · June 18, 2003 8:53AM

I was wondering with the upstart of so many companies how they got the slab machines and their molds for the holders. Is there a company that deals in just that?

Cameron Kiefer

Russ · June 18, 2003 8:56AM

This is the US "coin" forum, not the US "slab" forum. Take this to the open forum.

Russ, NCNE

jbsteven · June 18, 2003 8:59AM

heard a rumor that they can cost 20-30k

ksteelheader · June 18, 2003 9:04AM

Cam40 · June 18, 2003 9:09AM

Pushkin had some slabs with his own inserts and all.

Not sure if they were snap-together type of sonic sealed but they looked professional (sonic weld).?

Russ · June 18, 2003 9:10AM

Cam40,

His are the Coin World slabs.

Russ, NCNE

airplanenut · June 18, 2003 9:22AM

Cameron- try ACG or something... maybe they'll give you a deal before they tank

flaminio · June 18, 2003 9:58AM

Here ya' go!

http://www.acgpackaging.com/

lava · June 18, 2003 10:46AM

Flaminio, thanks for that great link. Even the license agreement can be viewed. Check out paragraph 5 if you want to feel sick to your stomach.

The sales pitch left out the part about YOUR NEW COIN SLABBING COMPANY DOES NOT EVEN HAVE TO FOLLOW ANY GRADING STANDARDS RECOGNIZED IN NUMISMATICS. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU CAN PUT ANY OLD GRADE YOU DARN WELL PLEASE ON YOUR SLABS, THEREBY MAKING YOUR CLIENTS HAPPY AND ENSURING REPEAT BUSINESS.

airplanenut · June 18, 2003 11:26AM

Yeah, but you don't get the machine... you send them your coins and they slab 'em... the holder says ACG, too... EEEEEEEEEEEEW!!!

UNCOOL!

airplanenut · June 18, 2003 11:30AM

"If for any reason, [above named person] is found to be altering, repairing, or selling counterfeits to be detrimental to the grading industry and ACG's repuation..."

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ChodeLee · June 18, 2003 12:09PM

Where is the Slab Caddy Forum at?

griffin6 · June 18, 2003 12:20PM

To "slab" your own coins, you need an ultrasonic welder, a "bell" that is die cut to hold your slab pieces and the slab pieces themselves. These can be two piece or three piece. The two piece require different sized dies for each denomination. With the three piece, you have two standard shells and some kind of chemically inert insert that is cut to each denomiation size. Costs a bundle... mostly for the die work in setting up the slab pieces and/or inserts.

bizzarri · June 18, 2003 1:06PM

We need the "Earl Scheib" of slabbing - "I'll slab any coin any grade for 29.95"

(With apologizies to Earl Scheib auto painting. I remember him in LA in the early 70's...."I'll paint any car any color for $29.95")

gsaguy · June 18, 2003 1:11PM

Check with Gary Fernandez out in California. He used to do his own PCGS slabs.

GSAGUY

P.S. Although, his time in prison has probably fogged his memory somewhat.

MAULDEMALL · June 18, 2003 1:18PM

<< This is the US "coin" forum, not the US "slab" forum. Take this to the open forum.

Russ, NCNE >>

Hmmmmmm.........I think I have to agree with Russ on this one Cam.

MAULDEMALL · June 18, 2003 1:20PM

<< Where is the Slab Caddy Forum at? >>

Ending a sentence with a preposition.......................Please edit to insure proper grammer.

ms70 · June 18, 2003 2:24PM

Whoooooa..... What the hell is this? (from the ACG website)

"All other services use a soft PVC WASHER OR AN INSERT to cut cost which, over time (1 to 5 years), will leach PVC film onto the coin's surface, especially Proofs within months."

There's no way than can be true. Right?...... Right?...... No really, right?......

Either ACG is looking to get sued by "All other services" or "All other services" are going to get sued by collectors!!

ACG's Slab Statement

Newkid · June 18, 2003 3:13PM

From what I understand Allen Hagar sued PCGS in the mid 80`s for stealing his patent of sonicly sealing coins in plastic.

Robgetty · June 18, 2003 4:31PM

Wow, I loved the line on the Accugrade link that they have not had one MAJOR COMPLAINT in 19 years.
What is the definition of MAJOR COMPLAINT? (There sure as heck have been plenty of minor ones!)

ScarsdaleCoin · June 19, 2003 6:10AM

Ultrasonic welder is not that big of a deal...they are used by electronic companys that do wiring... the biggest drawback is that younger people hear the sound of nails being drawn on a chaulkboard....

jeffnpcb · June 19, 2003 6:15AM

Russ, If we are lucky, he'll start up a sample slab company and start his own forum as well. It would be lonely a lonely one, but he can blow his own horn all day long!!

MadMonk · June 19, 2003 6:21AM

I have some experience with Plastic molding, and Ultra Sonic welding.
Your biggest expense is the type of mold you choose, the "finish" of the mold, and the amount of cavities the mold would have. A 1 cavity mold would produce 1 part per cycle, a ten cavity mold would produce 10 parts per cycle...Major money. Once the mold is created, the production of the parts is relatively inexpensive. Various plastics companies sell the material, you can find those in the "Thomas Register" . You can even call the manufacturers, and ask to speak with an application Engineer for Material guidance. The Ultra sonic welder is a common Item, look in Thomas register as well. not a show stopper price wise.

LucyBop · June 19, 2003 6:31AM

<< Russ, If we are lucky, he'll start up a sample slab company and start his own forum as well. It would be lonely a lonely one, but he can blow his own horn all day long!!
>>

Conder101 · June 19, 2003 8:26AM

<< We need the "Earl Scheib" of slabbing - "I'll slab any coin any grade for 29.95" >>

He exists Accugrade has a division that does just that, their Private Label Service. Just follow the link in Flamingo's post. Cost is about $4 per coin, you provide the coins and the grades, they provide the shells, labels, and sealing.

<< I was wondering with the upstart of so many companies how they got the slab machines and their molds for the holders. Is there a company that deals in just that? >>

Cameron, check with Hager. He used to offer to set up services including the sonic welder and to provide shells for $50,000.

[Q"All other services use a soft PVC WASHER OR AN INSERT to cut cost which, over time (1 to 5 years), will leach PVC film onto the coin's surface, especially Proofs within months."

There's no way than can be true. Right?...... Right?...... No really, right?...... >>

No it is not true. The other services do not use PVC inserts. Sometimes you can see an oil on their inserts that is actually a moldslip from the fabrication molds. Since most people confused the plasticizer oil used in PVC holders as being the PVC Accugrade is trying to claim that this oil shows that the other companies inserts contain PVC.

pontiacinf · June 19, 2003 8:31AM

god blessya boy

can I get one of the first ten cameron?

Ill buy the supplies.

kieferscoins · June 19, 2003 8:33AM

I'm not making any or starting a company. I was just wondering.

Cameron Kiefer

Where can you get a slab machine?

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