1) In addition to the seller having misrepresented the items and recent selling prices, he had no way of knowing or proving that the high bids would not have been honored - he was the one who chose to end the sales early, due to his not liking the user names of the bidders.
2) If the seller is telling the truth about
<< <i>One of your so called friends participating in the forum was kind enough to share the information with me and said he would cooperate with ebay as long as his name remains anonymous >>
personally, I have a problem with that. If someone here wants to report a fellow forum member for something, that is their right. But, if they are going to do so, they should be man enough to do it without remaining anonymous.
The seller is a blowhard. Don't give it any serious thought Marty. I'm sure the mystery bidders were not you, anyway.
The seller should be more concerned about his trying to extort money from you. I would think that that is a lot easier to prove than some eBay rule which has no bearing on real laws.
Besides eBay wouldn't cancel your auctions over speculation. There's too much money for them to lose based on the accusations of one whiney scam artist who was obviously trying to rip off inexperienced collectors.
One last thing: The whiney seller's auction stated that his item was a proof dollar. His coin was clearly not a dollar. I believe that is fraud.
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
Well I don't know if this seller is misinformed or not aware. But he/she misrepresented the item in my opinion and just tried to extort money from someone. All I can say is to anyone who gets involved in any one else's auctions for whatever reason good or bad you might be dealing with someone who reacts entirely differently than you might expect. Caveat Interruptus.
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
So just how in the heck did he get a response from eBay on the WEEKEND??? So the seller is shaking you down huh? Threatening that if you don't give him money he's gonna make you regret it. <<<If I don't have $247.50 deposited in my paypal account by the morning of 2/23/03 representing the money lost from your actions>>> Check his address to see if he's not a Czeck in the Russian Mafia. Maybe he's from Nigeria. Lord knows they are great at email scams. You're guilty because you laughed at his auction?? Well listen to me laugh-Heehe hahah Look at it now! Where's it at? In the trash! Another rip-off busted!! hehehahah Oh yeah, Marty if you get NARU does that mean I'm off the hook for that JFK I overpaid for? I think I'll report you to Safe Harbor because I bid too much. call 1-800-WAHHHHH Cell phone 1-800-CRY-BABY Fax 1-800-EXPOSED Or you can save yourself some trouble by using your credit card making a one time payment today only while supplies last to my PayPal account of $29.99 or 4 easy monthly payments of $9.99
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I have a question, if commercial webhosts are held responsible for content, does ebay have a responsibility to police this kind of auction? They do have some coin experience. Some time ago, I received this coin newsletter from ebay, and I would guess they have access to qualified coin professionals that could assist in policing listings. Should safe harbor be proactive? Should they at least be required to examine complaints from potential bidders instead of waiting for a buyer to complain?
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I think the problem lies in the difference between what is unethical and what is illegal. This seller is clearly unethical, however it hasn't been proven yet that what he did was illegal.
dwood
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
I will have to agree with everyone here about this auction trying to deceive new ebay users. In the auction, I see nothing showing the coin is a copy. I see the same thing with the NCM's page. ObverseReverse They show no copy logo imprimted on the coin. The only one legit is this auction
So, I hope that ebay does what is needed so that this cannot happen again.
I agree with Dog97. How could this seller get ANY kind of a response out of Ebay on a weekend? I don't think they can provide a response within 4 days! He's probably searched your auctions to get the number and is running a bluff. Just a means of getting his money back, knowing he no longer will be able to sell that crap on Ebay. As for who notified the seller. We all know there are hundreds of people lurking out there, who are not members. There is no reason for anyone to go accusing anyone. Good luck Marty!
<< <i>I think the problem lies in the difference between what is unethical and what is illegal. This seller is clearly unethical, however it hasn't been proven yet that what he did was illegal. >>
Abrogating the Hobby Protection Act isn't illegal? Interesting that this extortionist admits to the character of his friend (friends?); I guess he thought he could outdo that one in trying to walk just over the edge ... but he slipped and fell.
I believe NCM is over the line too, though with less obvious intent to deceive.
Sorry Askari (hey, a homonym!), I didn't say he didn't violate a law, I said it hadn't been proven. There is a difference, legally. Thank God, and Jefferson.
dwood
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
<< <i>One of your so called friends participating in the forum was kind enough to share the information with me and said he would cooperate with ebay as long as his name remains anonymous. >>
Marty -- PM me and I'll give you my office number if you want some help, if you do, I need some info -- where are you located? Where is the seller located? Has Ebay contacted you? Save copies of his threatening emails and forward a copies to me @ mike@kslegal.com. Do you know his real name, address, phone # ect.
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1) In addition to the seller having misrepresented the items and recent selling prices, he had no way of knowing or proving that the high bids would not have been honored - he was the one who chose to end the sales early, due to his not liking the user names of the bidders.
2) If the seller is telling the truth about
<< <i>One of your so called friends participating in the forum was kind enough to share the information with me and said he would cooperate with ebay as long as his name remains anonymous >>
personally, I have a problem with that. If someone here wants to report a fellow forum member for something, that is their right. But, if they are going to do so, they should be man enough to do it without remaining anonymous.
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The seller should be more concerned about his trying to extort money from you. I would think that that is a lot easier to prove than some eBay rule which has no bearing on real laws.
Besides eBay wouldn't cancel your auctions over speculation. There's too much money for them to lose based on the accusations of one whiney scam artist who was obviously trying to rip off inexperienced collectors.
One last thing: The whiney seller's auction stated that his item was a proof dollar. His coin was clearly not a dollar. I believe that is fraud.
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
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"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
I can only imagine who the stool pigeon was.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
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EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
And it wasn't me, I'm ashamed to say
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me. . . . . . .
So the seller is shaking you down huh? Threatening that if you don't give him money he's gonna make you regret it.
<<<If I don't have $247.50 deposited in my paypal account by the morning of 2/23/03 representing the money lost from your actions>>>
Check his address to see if he's not a Czeck in the Russian Mafia. Maybe he's from Nigeria. Lord knows they are great at email scams.
You're guilty because you laughed at his auction??
Well listen to me laugh-Heehe hahah Look at it now! Where's it at? In the trash! Another rip-off busted!! hehehahah
Oh yeah, Marty if you get NARU does that mean I'm off the hook for that JFK I overpaid for? I think I'll report you to Safe Harbor because I bid too much.
call 1-800-WAHHHHH
Cell phone 1-800-CRY-BABY
Fax 1-800-EXPOSED
Or you can save yourself some trouble by using your credit card making a one time payment today only while supplies last to my PayPal account of $29.99 or 4 easy monthly payments of $9.99
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
So, I hope that ebay does what is needed so that this cannot happen again.
<< <i>I think the problem lies in the difference between what is unethical and what is illegal. This seller is clearly unethical, however it hasn't been proven yet that what he did was illegal. >>
Abrogating the Hobby Protection Act isn't illegal? Interesting that this extortionist admits to the character of his friend (friends?); I guess he thought he could outdo that one in trying to walk just over the edge ... but he slipped and fell.
I believe NCM is over the line too, though with less obvious intent to deceive.
Come on over ... to The Dark Side!
I didn't say he didn't violate a law, I said it hadn't been proven. There is a difference, legally. Thank God, and Jefferson.
"France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
<< <i>One of your so called friends participating in the forum was kind enough to share the information with me and said he would cooperate with ebay as long as his name remains anonymous. >>
Three guesses who that was.
Russ, NCNE
We'll talk,
Michael