It certainly doesn't require a high level of sophistication to anticipate the value of cards rising. The discussion began with a simple acknowledgement of such anticipation. It was a good prediction.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket
is profound advice for those with more
than one egg or one basket.
those people are my friends if you do not
like them show me your's
a client without a dime in
his pocket today may have
a dollar in his wallet tomorrow
Business was sailing,
smiles were abounding
the future looked great,
then a qualified expert
began to expound
the sound philosophy
of prudent frugality,
"Why buy the best--
when you can get by for less?
Why hire the finest
when "next to" will do?"
We admired his credentials
so we sharpened our pencils
made this last longer,
cut that corner short:
and saved what was left for bankruptcy court!
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
I must admit that making fun of the OP's posting style is a kick, but reality of 18 months is indisputable where the value of cards has gone beyond comprehension. He's been right all along. Keep up the good work olb31, you've got a solid groove goin' on.
I don’t disagree with that. What I don’t like is the casual association between collectibles and economics during a time when many people are not as lucky. It’s a callousness that ignorance doesn’t excuse.
when exactly does it get better for the ones you are talking about? when the nolan ryan rookie psa 8 hits $100,000, $200,000, $500,000? Or when the nasdaq hits 30,000, 40,000, 50,000? You just said above the stock market is on fire just like the cards, so I assume it needs to get hotter than this for the other folks to start making money? How hot does it need to get?
I have a friend who didn't graduate HS and started mowing grass. He makes around $200,000 a year. His wife is a manager at a day care and makes about $100,000. $300k in SWVA is decent money, very nice money. And all they did was go to work and raise their kids. Nothing magical.
I would suggest this same path for the ones you are concerned about.
I don't know what point you're trying to make. Do you know how CPI works? A lot of the people impacted are those on fixed incomes. That's beside the point I was making. I was trying to explain that we're still in a very K-shaped economy - this means good for those of us who are fortunate and bad for those of us who are not. The widening divide between asset-owners and wage-earners remains the defining feature of our economy. Trading cards have become an alternative asset class and lots of money is flowing in and prices are rising and markets have also been riding high but that only looks at a tiny fraction of what's going on in the US and World economies. I'm sure you're right though now that I think about it.
He was exactly right with his prediction. One cannot discount it any way you try. If you didn't enter the market or buy cards at his prediction time, then an opportunity was missed.
You are right about what is important is the next six months and not the last six. What are your thoughts on how to play the next six months to a year in the market or the cards?
A lot of people are truly in a bad spot and there is no arguing that, , but there are also a vast amount of people in a tight spot because they didn't make the right plays. Hindsight is 20/20 so can't worry about what one did or didn't do in the past, but the good thing is there is still time to change the course.
I could live on the following meals:
Protein shake for breakfast is $1 a serving. 30 grams of protein.
Can of tuna fish for lunch for .79 cents. If you want some flavor and live a little, I get cans of Pringles for $1.50-$2 a can. So eat 1/4 of a can with your tuna fish and you have a 20 grams of protein and a feel good side for $1.30.
Four egg cheese omelette for dinner and a frozen hash brown patty. I get eggs for $1.50 a dozen or less. Hash brown patty is .35 cents. Slice of cheese .25 cents . Appx 26 grams of protein.
So that simple meal plan with the most minimal prep time yields you 76 grams of protein for the day(plus sides) for less than $5. Less than $5!
Potatoes and Rice are extremely cheap for any side or main dish. Pork chops are routinely $2.49 a pound, and chicken thighs and legs the same. So I can mix and match those for dirt cheap meals of protein and complete carbs. There are several viable options.
Maybe those prices are higher in california or Hawaii, so that might change a bit.
Imagine the excess waste anyone has spent on extra drinks for lunch, breakfast, or at a bar, and ineffcient meal choices. Now imagine if for the last two years only they put that $20 a day into QQQI and turned on the DRIP,
That $20 a day investment into QQQI right now would be worth $15,195
You would be getting $177 a month in dividends right now from that to do with as you please.
That is assuming you saved the weekend money and invested on trading days.
All just for altering a simple meal plan. Of course,, people want to live a little, but if you are in a bind, that is a choice.
Obviously there are ETF's or stocks that out generated QQQI, but that is a reliable yield maker and works well in a sideways market that has some volatility. People have to make their own choices on where to put their money.
Cars, phones, streaming service, etc...all can be managed(or eliminated) for costs not much different than the last eight years. Don't need a new phone every year for one. Use your Iphone until Apple sends you a message that it will no longer support their software updates. Also lower ones expectations on what car to drive. Use it simply as a tool to get from A to B.
A million scenarios, but the meal plan is simple and doable. Please check with your doctor on the health of the food and your body to make your own decisions of course.
Here is another one from AI:
"If you had taken the exact amount of money required to buy one pack of cigarettes every day for the last 30 years and instead invested it directly into a major tobacco company like Altria Group (MO) with the dividends reinvested (DRIP), you would be a millionaire today, with an estimated total between $1.1 Million and $1.4 Million. [1] (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MO/altria/stock-price-history)."
Now of course if everyone did that, then that company wouldn't make money lol....but if someone is willing to make a sacrifice and buck a trend, hey, why not.
I wish I took many of these thoughts to heed myself, lol....its hard to resist choices...but when in a bind makes it a different story.
Predicting that trading cards are going to go up when there is a lot of money flowing in to trading cards while prices are going up already might not be the most difficult prediction.
I’m only commenting on the faux-correlations presented as evidence.
As far as where the NASDAQ will be in the next 6 months… I don’t think anyone knows. Everyone is waiting on the Fed this month. We’re probably not going to see a rate hike because it adds a headwind to valuations. The interest is already priced in for a hike because equity debt is based off the e 10 year and that’s already at 4.7%. The direct is less than like $15B total per year. Thats nothing vs DDR. The problem is the multiple and the jobs numbers came in a little hot. The other main issue is the concentration. The markets we follow are based on a handful of companies moving the needle. There’s a growing rift in technology as supply chain is in turmoil now. It’s not my domain so I can only tell you what I’m told. Most people say up through 2026 and then we look to rotate.
So he was right.
You brought up CPI. Wasn't the CPI from Jan 2021 to Jan 2025 4.9% annually? Then from Jan 25 to now it is 3% average annually? How does that factor into cards since you brought it up? Like I said above, I can still eat plenty of protein and taste for $5 a day for three meals in todays world. I can even make a 1/4 juicy tasty cheeseburger for less than $2 at home and it taste better than most restaurants.
Food prices(and all prices) are always going to go up. That has been a complaint for decades and decades, so lets not sensationalize it now. The reality is what I pointed out with the meals...its not as bad as you are trying to make it out compared to just a few years ago especially....and is prolly one of the reasons why people still have money to buy cards and card shows are packed with all sorts of people on different points of the K curve .
He can be right about it and everyone can decide what that means. When the rain starts falling is always the best time to predict rain. I said that a prediction that follows a trend is NOT evidence of insight. Being right and having a valid reason are different questions and you’re giving credit for predicting an outcome which wasn’t even over the horizon and pretending like it represents a process of understanding. You ignore my line point - the faux correlation and substitute in a new claim. the rain continues to fall and anytime it gets heavier I’m going to post about my amazing feat of prediction.
Inflation is running higher now since the April print. The deflationary story was 24-25 and then maybe you’ve seen the news.
But that’s a miss in basic math. The big miss is talking about rate of change when inflation has been here for a while instead of level and THAT misses the point. If you know that good, but I don’t think so because no one intentionally walks into a door in a debate.
The reason people have money to buy cards is because of the K itself. Those of us at the top are flush and those at the bottom not so much. When people make the choices to eat cheap because they can that’s also a big problem. Choosing to eat that cheeseburger at home vs a restaurant is a canary - we see food prices away from home also rising faster than food prices at the grocery store. Does that tell you anything important?
You want to defend olb fine but do some homework please. Plus he’s 64 crayons short of a good time.
Where are your predictions? It's easy to play arm chair QB. Scoff at the wrong ones like you did about Jake Bauers, and then say "anyone could have said that" about the right ones. That way you are always right. You made one about the stock market prediction but you qualified it by saying "based on what others have said" to give yourself cover when you are wrong.
Like I said, it was worse four years ago, so why sensationalize it now? Yeh, I get it it keeps adding up. It kept adding up four ears ago too but why weren't you sensationalizing it then? The point about the food was that it isn't as bad as you are saying because the actual prices to eat normally are there. There are plenty of people along all spots on the K line that are packing card shows, except for people at the very bottom, but that would be the case in any time. So your version isn't really accurate.
Also eating home vs eating out is a choice if one is worried about money...but Chili's has the three for deal with a big cheeseburger for $11. Burger/Fries/Soup/drink....the burger isn't as good as mine, but hey, live a little I guess. They have other options too.
All those foods I listed are basic staple foods that I eat regardless of money...Eggs, Fish, Chicken, Rice, potatoes. So I would assume most do. So if you can eat 76 grams of protein for $5, the problem sits in your choices not the current environment that is being sensationalized. On fourth of July weekend I bought T-bones for $5 a pounds. Sure, it was a sale, but they are there...which leads to the overall point, that more people could have been involved in this current market boom, and still could be, if different choices are made.
I gave an example about the food choices and using that money for QQQI...which is a plan I gave to a loved one that instead of buying $12 craft beers, put that $12 into QQQI instead each time. IMO, that ETF will be good for him if the market does stay sideways and volatile in 2027 like you said that your buddies said would happen.
I am curious on what you are going to invest in starting at this point? Go out on a limb and put it out there.
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
@bgr said:
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
A fiber-less diet at 2002 prices. Why (really WHY?) and where?
Also seems at least one political agenda at play in this thread. The rules apply to everyone here!
P.S. I eat only low/no-mercury Fish, like Alaska Halibut, which ain't cheap to ship to me, 5-6 times a week. I maintain a low sodium, low fat, lean protein, high fiber diet since 2005. The once or twice a year i have a burger I grind (technically a few food processor pulses) my own.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
@bgr said:
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
You’ve convinced me that I was wrong. Thanks. Sorry.
@bgr said:
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
You’ve convinced me that I was wrong. Thanks. Sorry.
@bgr said:
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
You’ve convinced me that I was wrong. Thanks. Sorry.
You're welcome.
Yeah. I wasn't thinking about the Chilis angle and that really helped me land the pieces into place. BBQ SAUCE! You convinced me that I'm wrong to try to have a discussion with someone who thinks like you do. You are now a "toy".
@bgr said:
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
You’ve convinced me that I was wrong. Thanks. Sorry.
You're welcome.
Yeah. I wasn't thinking about the Chilis angle and that really helped me land the pieces into place. BBQ SAUCE! You convinced me that I'm wrong to try to have a discussion with someone who thinks like you do. You are now a "toy".
That PSA 10 Captain America looks so cool! Wish I had collected earlier non-sports back in the day. I only have 1990's non-sports left over from when my dad and I would set up at shows a few times a year.
For some of the cards I follow, it seems to have hit a top over the last month -- maybe even starting to come down a little. I'm not looking at the highest PSA 10 prices, more like the PSA 6 - 9 range.
MJ, Gretzky, Bird/Johnson, LeBron James RC's, etc...
Marvel stuff on the whole reached the top and now on the down-slope. Lot of folks who've purchased since July are going to take a brutal beating.
Sell, Sell, Sell that stuff now, you'll wish you had in the near future!
I've also noticed Junk wax that got hot again is also on the skids after hitting their highs in late Aug/Early Sept, two examples; 90 Fleer Jordan and my old favorite 90 Leaf Frank Thomas. In fairness that Jordan shoudl never have scraped the $1000 mark as it did, so the correction is in order
Mid next year when the lockout is in it's 6th month the thread can be renamed to "Excitement Stewing". It will be a good time to buy
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
@1982FootballWax said:
Marvel stuff on the whole reached the top and now on the down-slope. Lot of folks who've purchased since July are going to take a brutal beating.
Sell, Sell, Sell that stuff now, you'll wish you had in the near future!
I've also noticed Junk wax that got hot again is also on the skids after hitting their highs in late Aug/Early Sept, two examples; 90 Fleer Jordan and my old favorite 90 Leaf Frank Thomas. In fairness that Jordan shoudl never have scraped the $1000 mark as it did, so the correction is in order
Mid next year when the lockout is in it's 6th month the thread can be renamed to "Excitement Stewing". It will be a good time to buy
I don't think you have any idea what a broken record you are. You, in every thread:
1. bearish in the short/intermediate term on cards
2. cards are not a good investment vehicle
3. The 90 Fleer Jordan and 90 Leaf Frank Thomas was/is overpriced.
You don't even realize how obnoxious this is and how frequently you do it. It's constant. And you're constantly wrong. You even managed, in perhaps the most embarrassing and ill advised post of the history of this forum, to capture the absolute bottom of Ohtani's market in 2023:) , after which his market saw one of the most impressive bull runs in the history of collectibles, outperforming nearly every other asset in existence.
Realize that you have been dead wrong frequently. Stop posting the same things over and over. No one here is seriously talking up the PSA 10 '90 Leaf Frank Thomas as an investment vehicle that will outperform the QQQs. It's a stupid straw man relic that some moron posted here during peak Covid hysteria that you filed in your lizard brain and then regurgitated back up on command every 4 days like a Chatty Cathy doll for us all to suffer through reading for the next 6 years.
This news may come as a shock to you: you are posting on a sports card forum for enthusiasts of the hobby. Nearly everyone here is bullish on cards. Yes, many people here use them (successfully) as an investment vehicle. Should they function as a bank account/emergency fund for your family? Absolutely not. But it happens. I see posts on a weekly basis on Facebook groups of people selling MTG, Pokemon and sports card because they have a car repair bill or a health event. It's just sad, collectibles should never be relied upon in this way due to their illiquid nature and significant transaction friction. But, it happens a lot. Part of it comes from a lack of financial literacy but for many people they probably feel it is the market they know best, and I am sympathetic to that.
So, while your sound financial advice is appreciated, you should lay off with the gloomy predictions and the broken record straw man arguments about overvalued junk wax. There's just no need for it and you are embarrassing yourself.
I just want congratulate anyone who knows that the market extends way beyond the doom and gloom being occasionally shared here. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, so mine is: It's a great time to be involved in the process of finding and acquiring sports collectibles. It's fascinating how much old vintage stuff is surfacing these days. GOOD stuff. I'd assume that as generations progress and material becomes available, it has to do with folks preferring to cash out while the getting is good. That's my angle. Not junk wax or the same old same old as discussed here ad nauseam. Actual GOOD stuff. Buy, buy, buy.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
I mean, it's almost comical. Look at the chart from late Sept '23 of his 2018 Bowman Chrome on @1982FootballWax post that I linked, titled "Sinking Shohei".
Glad it's been living in your head the last 3+ years, much as you mentioned that some morons posting in 2021 that the 90 Leaf Thomas and 86 Donruss Canseco were great investments at $800 has been living in mine.
For those here that my 2023 Post inspired you to buy Ohtani at the lows, you're welcome!
we are in agreement most of the time, even if you cant quite embrace it
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
I do agree with you that some junk wax era items are subpar investments with poor liquidity. I just wish you would stop repeating it because no one here is fighting you on it. Markets go up and down, but mostly up long term. Picking what to buy is far more important than the when.
Bottom line, we want to talk about interesting items that we collect. Stop trying to call the top, you're bad at it.
Look dude, for your own mental health just let it go. You were out here writing a whole gd novel to that same banned member a full two years after they banned him. That's probably where bgr read it. It's all over this site. We're all sick of it.
For the love of everything let it go.
@1982FootballWax said:
Prices have rebounded on some cards - back to 2019 levels that is! Actually accounting for inflation it's lower than 2019 levels.
Hey @blurryface Where oh were is your Instagram friend now? The one with 200 PSA10 1990 Leaf Thomas'. When the card was $600 that was apparently something to boast loudly about, now that the card has a tenuous grip at $115-120 at auction, there is no mo' braggin'
$120000 in FMV evaporated down to $24k and sinking.
As I predicted during the bubble the 1990 Leaf Thomas in PSA10 population would way outstrip demand and totally has.
I also stated I would pick up another one of the Thomas' when it dropped to 2019 levels - have a local seller who will take $110 cash - picking it up tomorrow.
BTW folks @blurryface was banned from here but he usually made good sense and although he scoffed at the bubble actually being a bubble, which now has proven empirically to have been the case, I do very much miss his postings and pics from his amazing collection
1 last good nature ribbin' comment for my buddy @blurryface , not "funniest bubble ever" it was simply a "text book bubble" as time has shown!
Not everything has or will come down to pre-bubble levels but it's most certainly plausible that everything Junk Wax and Junk Wax adjacent might...
@bgr said:
This all started with a battle over the value of a 1990 Frank Thomas so long ago with blurryface.
Oh yeah, that's right.
OK enough re-hashing it, I'll try to stop bringing it up. Now who was it that stated 86 Canseco's at $800 were great investment
BTW, BGR you joined in 2024, blurryface was banned late in 2021, how are you so aware of those events here from summer 2021?
I used to just Lurk here. I could not find any mention of 86 Canseco being a great investment or any mention of prices around $800. Unless it's got his teeth in it I'm not buying!
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It certainly doesn't require a high level of sophistication to anticipate the value of cards rising. The discussion began with a simple acknowledgement of such anticipation. It was a good prediction.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
Some Philosophical thoughts,
Don't put all your eggs in one basket
is profound advice for those with more
than one egg or one basket.
those people are my friends if you do not
like them show me your's
a client without a dime in
his pocket today may have
a dollar in his wallet tomorrow
Business was sailing,
smiles were abounding
the future looked great,
then a qualified expert
began to expound
the sound philosophy
of prudent frugality,
"Why buy the best--
when you can get by for less?
Why hire the finest
when "next to" will do?"
We admired his credentials
so we sharpened our pencils
made this last longer,
cut that corner short:
and saved what was left for bankruptcy court!
Life is a pencil that death sharpens!
you are the riddler!!!
OOOKKAAAYYY
Where are your predictions? It's easy to play arm chair QB. Scoff at the wrong ones like you did about Jake Bauers, and then say "anyone could have said that" about the right ones. That way you are always right. You made one about the stock market prediction but you qualified it by saying "based on what others have said" to give yourself cover when you are wrong.
Like I said, it was worse four years ago, so why sensationalize it now? Yeh, I get it it keeps adding up. It kept adding up four ears ago too but why weren't you sensationalizing it then? The point about the food was that it isn't as bad as you are saying because the actual prices to eat normally are there. There are plenty of people along all spots on the K line that are packing card shows, except for people at the very bottom, but that would be the case in any time. So your version isn't really accurate.
Also eating home vs eating out is a choice if one is worried about money...but Chili's has the three for deal with a big cheeseburger for $11. Burger/Fries/Soup/drink....the burger isn't as good as mine, but hey, live a little I guess. They have other options too.
All those foods I listed are basic staple foods that I eat regardless of money...Eggs, Fish, Chicken, Rice, potatoes. So I would assume most do. So if you can eat 76 grams of protein for $5, the problem sits in your choices not the current environment that is being sensationalized. On fourth of July weekend I bought T-bones for $5 a pounds. Sure, it was a sale, but they are there...which leads to the overall point, that more people could have been involved in this current market boom, and still could be, if different choices are made.
I gave an example about the food choices and using that money for QQQI...which is a plan I gave to a loved one that instead of buying $12 craft beers, put that $12 into QQQI instead each time. IMO, that ETF will be good for him if the market does stay sideways and volatile in 2027 like you said that your buddies said would happen.
I am curious on what you are going to invest in starting at this point? Go out on a limb and put it out there.
I didn’t say the information was from my buddies and I didn’t say sideways. My money is in managed funds so I’m just giving you the headlines. Going forward I’m going to keep my money with Bernstein Private Weatlh Mgmt. it’s been 40% the past 3-4 years. So I could sit here and say. Gee. I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. Just live off your investments like a normal person. Weird. Get rich fools. But I won’t because that’s stupid.
But you will play an excellent arm chair quarterback.
A fiber-less diet at 2002 prices. Why (really WHY?) and where?
Also seems at least one political agenda at play in this thread. The rules apply to everyone here!
P.S. I eat only low/no-mercury Fish, like Alaska Halibut, which ain't cheap to ship to me, 5-6 times a week. I maintain a low sodium, low fat, lean protein, high fiber diet since 2005. The once or twice a year i have a burger I grind (technically a few food processor pulses) my own.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
You’ve convinced me that I was wrong. Thanks. Sorry.
You're welcome.
Yeah. I wasn't thinking about the Chilis angle and that really helped me land the pieces into place. BBQ SAUCE! You convinced me that I'm wrong to try to have a discussion with someone who thinks like you do. You are now a "toy".
Chili's baby back ribs. Enjoy.
not a fan of chili's but i love burgers and steaks
That PSA 10 Captain America looks so cool! Wish I had collected earlier non-sports back in the day. I only have 1990's non-sports left over from when my dad and I would set up at shows a few times a year.
That's still a nice collection of boxes @DotStore
It just keeps getting better, so this thread deserves a bump. The card market is on steroids and I want to swallow it whole. Economics be damned.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
For some of the cards I follow, it seems to have hit a top over the last month -- maybe even starting to come down a little. I'm not looking at the highest PSA 10 prices, more like the PSA 6 - 9 range.
MJ, Gretzky, Bird/Johnson, LeBron James RC's, etc...
Marvel stuff on the whole reached the top and now on the down-slope. Lot of folks who've purchased since July are going to take a brutal beating.
Sell, Sell, Sell that stuff now, you'll wish you had in the near future!
I've also noticed Junk wax that got hot again is also on the skids after hitting their highs in late Aug/Early Sept, two examples; 90 Fleer Jordan and my old favorite 90 Leaf Frank Thomas. In fairness that Jordan shoudl never have scraped the $1000 mark as it did, so the correction is in order
Mid next year when the lockout is in it's 6th month the thread can be renamed to "Excitement Stewing". It will be a good time to buy
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Will sgc be around for the next baseball season?
I don't think you have any idea what a broken record you are. You, in every thread:
1. bearish in the short/intermediate term on cards
2. cards are not a good investment vehicle
3. The 90 Fleer Jordan and 90 Leaf Frank Thomas was/is overpriced.
You don't even realize how obnoxious this is and how frequently you do it. It's constant. And you're constantly wrong. You even managed, in perhaps the most embarrassing and ill advised post of the history of this forum, to capture the absolute bottom of Ohtani's market in 2023:) , after which his market saw one of the most impressive bull runs in the history of collectibles, outperforming nearly every other asset in existence.
Realize that you have been dead wrong frequently. Stop posting the same things over and over. No one here is seriously talking up the PSA 10 '90 Leaf Frank Thomas as an investment vehicle that will outperform the QQQs. It's a stupid straw man relic that some moron posted here during peak Covid hysteria that you filed in your lizard brain and then regurgitated back up on command every 4 days like a Chatty Cathy doll for us all to suffer through reading for the next 6 years.
This news may come as a shock to you: you are posting on a sports card forum for enthusiasts of the hobby. Nearly everyone here is bullish on cards. Yes, many people here use them (successfully) as an investment vehicle. Should they function as a bank account/emergency fund for your family? Absolutely not. But it happens. I see posts on a weekly basis on Facebook groups of people selling MTG, Pokemon and sports card because they have a car repair bill or a health event. It's just sad, collectibles should never be relied upon in this way due to their illiquid nature and significant transaction friction. But, it happens a lot. Part of it comes from a lack of financial literacy but for many people they probably feel it is the market they know best, and I am sympathetic to that.
So, while your sound financial advice is appreciated, you should lay off with the gloomy predictions and the broken record straw man arguments about overvalued junk wax. There's just no need for it and you are embarrassing yourself.
Always a pleasure West22, as we are in agreement most of the time, even if you cant quite embrace it. I look forward to many more interactions.
P.S. Folks, Sell Marvel cards now! The future you will be glad the current you did.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Dang dude @West22 . Spot on. Wow.
I just want congratulate anyone who knows that the market extends way beyond the doom and gloom being occasionally shared here. Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, so mine is: It's a great time to be involved in the process of finding and acquiring sports collectibles. It's fascinating how much old vintage stuff is surfacing these days. GOOD stuff. I'd assume that as generations progress and material becomes available, it has to do with folks preferring to cash out while the getting is good. That's my angle. Not junk wax or the same old same old as discussed here ad nauseam. Actual GOOD stuff. Buy, buy, buy.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
I mean, it's almost comical. Look at the chart from late Sept '23 of his 2018 Bowman Chrome on @1982FootballWax post that I linked, titled "Sinking Shohei".
Card proceeded to 10X
Nailed it!
Glad it's been living in your head the last 3+ years, much as you mentioned that some morons posting in 2021 that the 90 Leaf Thomas and 86 Donruss Canseco were great investments at $800 has been living in mine.
For those here that my 2023 Post inspired you to buy Ohtani at the lows, you're welcome!
we are in agreement most of the time, even if you cant quite embrace it
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
I do agree with you that some junk wax era items are subpar investments with poor liquidity. I just wish you would stop repeating it because no one here is fighting you on it. Markets go up and down, but mostly up long term. Picking what to buy is far more important than the when.
Bottom line, we want to talk about interesting items that we collect. Stop trying to call the top, you're bad at it.
This all started with a battle over the value of a 1990 Frank Thomas so long ago with blurryface.
Oh yeah, that's right.
OK enough re-hashing it, I'll try to stop bringing it up. Now who was it that stated 86 Canseco's at $800 were great investment
BTW, BGR you joined in 2024, blurryface was banned late in 2021, how are you so aware of those events here from summer 2021?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Look dude, for your own mental health just let it go. You were out here writing a whole gd novel to that same banned member a full two years after they banned him. That's probably where bgr read it. It's all over this site. We're all sick of it.
For the love of everything let it go.
I used to just Lurk here. I could not find any mention of 86 Canseco being a great investment or any mention of prices around $800. Unless it's got his teeth in it I'm not buying!