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NEWP Amazing MS 64 Buffalo OBH. Thoughts Please
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I saw this coin from a seller on EBay that only sells coins occasionally. Normally I don’t buy MS 64, but the photos grabbed me. Just received today. Coin has the most incredible luster with a great strike, mainly reverse sharp strike. I think maybe the coin is a first strike off the dies. Also minor contact marks for a 64. Your feedback most appreciated. Thanks.
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I am sure its a nice coin but the images aren't that good.
It would be worth the effort if you could get some better shots.
Id really like to see it.
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Here are the seller close-ups from the eBay listing:
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What do you think of the coin? I can get a few better shots if you like
Looks like a great coin, but better shots would certainly be appreciated by all. The holder is also my favorite of the blue insert series as these were issued from around October, 1998 through February, 2002. The cert number, which I know they were not issued sequentially, is also consistent with a 1999 submission as I have some I submitted at that time with numbers around the same range.
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Oh yea thats a really nice coin. The luster really shows up and the strike is nice!
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Awesome! I love it!!
I have a similar story:
Bought this one about seven or eight years ago at the ANA convention. At $75, I ‘overpaid’ because I liked the PCGS 2.1. Retail is $160 now and that is without taking the holder into consideration.
I get it. It isn’t about the money or the fact that it’s a common date. It’s just a nice coin in a cool holder…. Just like yours.
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Tom here are 2 more pictures. Let me know if these are good. Thanks
Fully struck Rev. And well struck Obv.
A very nice coin! Holder type is one of my favorites as well.
Tom in hand the coin actually looks slightly mirrored and proof like. But the reverse looks it much more
Very good value coin at that grade with that sort of eye appeal.
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It appears kind of PL in some of those images.
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Love the PNG blue holder look. My favorite even more than the OGH
Looks nice and the semi pl look is a bonus.
After reviewing the coin further it looks like it has the characteristics of a brilliant proof 1936, not a typical uncirculated piece
It has proof attributes but is a little to beat up for the designation. Great coin, A little too much chatter on Iron Tails chin IMHOP. Might be why it's only a 64.
Pete
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I bet a large number of these coins have insane lustre with the prooflike reflectivity and yet, for some reason, there are but 5 67s and not one of them graded 68
Spoil sport alert…
I’m sincerely happy for you that you’re so enamored with your new acquisition.
However, even though PCGS rewards eye-appeal, despite whatever attributes the coin has, after examining it in hand, they graded it a pedestrian (non-PL) MS64.
Of all the coins I’ve seen posted here, many of which were graded multiple points higher than this one, I don’t recall any that were described with more hype than this one: “Amazing”, “incredible insane luster”, etc.
Based on the images, I suspect that the post by @U1chicago might have presented a more realistic description:
“Looks nice and the semi pl look is a bonus.”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
To be fair, PCGS was not awarding PL to anything but Morgan dollars during the blue holder era. If regraded today, maybe there's a chance? I also have a 1936 with PL qualities, so they definitely are out there. Without actually seeing it we can't really tell.
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Well a DMPL 83CC $1 is a far cry from a 1936 5C.
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Very fair (as in very good) point. Sure, maybe there’s a chance, though, based on the images, despite its flash, the coin doesn’t appear to be PL.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Send it to the Certified Acceptance Corporation. Speaking of which, have you gotten results from the 38-D you shared a month ago? https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1126010/newp-buffalo-nickel-from-an-original-roll#latest
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What’s your thinking in recommending a CAC submission?
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OP believes it is far better than the holdered grade. While I can't tell whether that's accurate by the photos, a CAC submission (with a chance for gold) would be a reasonable way to test the hypothesis. I have seen a decent number of Buffalos in "OBH" holders with Gold CACs. And OP has frequently stated he wants his coins with CAC, and has submitted others, so it could be pooled with other coins on a submission.
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Thank you.
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It'll be interesting to see if the seller will raise or lower his asking price when this nickel is returned.
Yes I got a green sticker.
LOL will never be returned. Why would I return such a unique looking, fully struck coin with an intense luster that looks like a neon light brilliant proof?
I am going to send this to CAC in the next few days. Your statement is absurd and foolish. The coin has the eye appeal of a 67 or 68.
It's a very nice coin but no, it doesn't. And this is where your thread goes off the rails. Again, it's a nice coin for what it is, but what it ISN'T is a Superb Gem. To quote myself:
So do you want to send me money via Zelle or Venmo or something else?
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Well it is difficult to get a gold sticker going from 66 to 67+. I agree I overrated that particular coin. But I am willing to state that I have a great chance on this coin, as I only have to go from 64 to 65++ to receive a gold sticker. And I can state with confidence that I have never seen a 64 with that kind of unique eye appeal. That look combined with no serious contact marks just does not exist in a 64. My only caveat is if the coin was net graded for some issue that I cannot see.
You post as if you see a lot of coins and have a very good feel for how yours compare to others of the same grade. On average, how many shows do you attend each year?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It must be a pleasant delusion to live in a world where you believe your vision for a coin is superior to those who have previously owned it.
The original seller obviously didn't believe this MS64 was a "MS67 or even an MS68" nor did PCGS or the number of other potential buyers who viewed this coin either in hand or on eBay before you came along.
What is the secret potion you take that allows for this type of thinking and behavior?
I'm not discounting it as the pleasure you derive from taking it must be immeasurable.
I don’t see a lot of coins.1 show. But I have a good eye and this coin even though I don’t have the experience of seasoned numismatists, stands out as something exceptional for a 64.
Here are 2 better photos showing the proof like surfaces.
When I have a coin I believe is under-graded, I crack it out and send it back in. An MS64 1936 Buffalo Nickel is a very low risk coin that I would have no hesitation to crack out if I believed in it. A 64PL would be a nice catch.
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I never said it was MS 67 or MS 68. I said it has the luster strike and eye appeal of a 67-68. There are a few moderate contact marks. So I think 65++ is a reasonable regrade chance. Hence I think I have a good shot for gold at CAC.
You’ve also raved about other coins you’ve posted, but which didn’t appear to be special. Since you don’t see large quantities of coins in hand, you’re lacking a critical grading aid - perspective.
If you’re convinced that the coin deserves the PL designation, you should submit it to PCGS.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
That is an interesting strategy that you would undertake the cost of resubmission for the payoff of a compressed upward value instead of submitting the coin to CAC to receive a crisp, free $500 bill from the marketplace if it generated a gold sticker as you likely believe it should since you would be wiling to sink funds into a regrade.
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