i just heard on a podcast ( i have not taken the time to confirm for myself) that MBA apparently used to have a database of cert numbers that have not received stickers. supposedly they have deactivated that service. the only reason i can think of for that is a straight up money grab.
@craig44 said:
i just heard on a podcast ( i have not taken the time to confirm for myself) that MBA apparently used to have a database of cert numbers that have not received stickers. supposedly they have deactivated that service. the only reason i can think of for that is a straight up money grab.
One reason could be that they added Bronze sticker service.
To have a database saying they have not received stickers would now be inaccurate as it would mean they didn't receive silver or gold stickers that were the only two available previously.
it is possible, but why not just add the bronze sticker to the database? it seems more likely that MBA would prefer people to unknowingly resubmit slabs that have already been rejected for stickers. MBA would still have the database knowing that a specific cert number has been rejected and simply reject it and repack/ship it back to the submitter without even having to review it.
The recent "bronze" sticker is the silliest. It means they agree with the assigned grade. Meanwhile people make listings on eBay saying look, there's a bronze sticker so it must be half or full point higher... If I had a PSA card with a bronze sticker I would rip off the sticker.
@DotStore said:
The recent "bronze" sticker is the silliest. It means they agree with the assigned grade. Meanwhile people make listings on eBay saying look, there's a bronze sticker so it must be half or full point higher... If I had a PSA card with a bronze sticker I would rip off the sticker.
this. i feel that a bronze sticker is actually a net negative. cards that do not have the sticker have the "potential" of getting one. bronze stickered cards do not.
@1982FootballWax said:
They probably wont be rejecting much anymore people will gets the stickers they pay for.
Everyone who pays gets a sticker. Which is perfect as when they are ubiquitous folks will become desensitized to them
this is a great point. when more slabs than not are carrying stickers, people will both get desensitized to them and also the folly of the whole thing will be evident. people will realize there is no exclusivity at all in having a stickered card
@craig44 said:
it is possible, but why not just add the bronze sticker to the database? it seems more likely that MBA would prefer people to unknowingly resubmit slabs that have already been rejected for stickers.
They were already rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze.
They could just add bronze to the database, but you're then asking them to then add a note saying they were rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze?
When PSA added half grades, did you ask PSA to add notes to the database of previously graded cards to tell folks to be aware that this card that is a PSA8, was graded before half grades was available, so it could very well be an 8.5, or a 6 if graded today?
You don't think PSA benefited from crackouts/reviews?
You're attributing nefarious motives because of personal reasons where logically its the right move.
And who knows, that previously rejected sticker card could very well receive a sticker the second time around.
MBA would still have the database knowing that a specific cert number has been rejected and simply reject it and repack/ship it back to the submitter without even having to review it.
Are you this vocal when PSA regrades that cracked out Pink Sparkle Refractor Ohtani #3/5 serial numbered card when all they had to do is look in the database and see they've already graded it previously, then charge the submitter only a re-holder fee, and not a full, likely upcharged, grading fee?
easy money it appears.
I'm sure you've heard people call PSA Please Submit Again.
Any motive for PSA to undergrade?
Have you seen the YouTuber who cracked out (200) PSA7s, 8s, and 9s Pokemon cards and re-subbed to PSA and returned with a 30% gem rate?
Re-subs are easy money it appears, for any company.
@craig44 said:
it is possible, but why not just add the bronze sticker to the database? it seems more likely that MBA would prefer people to unknowingly resubmit slabs that have already been rejected for stickers.
They were already rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze.
They could just add bronze to the database, but you're then asking them to then add a note saying they were rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze?
When PSA added half grades, did you ask PSA to add notes to the database of previously graded cards to tell folks to be aware that this card that is a PSA8, was graded before half grades was available, so it could very well be an 8.5, or a 6 if graded today?
You don't think PSA benefited from crackouts/reviews?
You're attributing nefarious motives because of personal reasons where logically its the right move.
And who knows, that previously rejected sticker card could very well receive a sticker the second time around.
MBA would still have the database knowing that a specific cert number has been rejected and simply reject it and repack/ship it back to the submitter without even having to review it.
Are you this vocal when PSA regrades that cracked out Pink Sparkle Refractor Ohtani #3/5 serial numbered card when all they had to do is look in the database and see they've already graded it previously, then charge the submitter only a re-holder fee, and not a full, likely upcharged, grading fee?
easy money it appears.
I'm sure you've heard people call PSA Please Submit Again.
Any motive for PSA to undergrade?
Have you seen the YouTuber who cracked out (200) PSA7s, 8s, and 9s Pokemon cards and re-subbed to PSA and returned with a 30% gem rate?
Re-subs are easy money it appears, for any company.
wouldnt it be assumed that if a slab "earns" a bronze sticker that it did not pass muster for either gold or silver? if it didnt get bronze, then it could be added to the database as such.
unless a card is serial numbered, it would be extrememly difficult, bordering on impossible for psa to keep track of which cards have been cracked and resubbed. of course they benefit from crack/resubs. but, like i said, unless the card is serial numbered, it would be more arduous a task than i would expect a company to go through. all MBA would need to do is simply record a cert number. super easy. would take 10 seconds.
do i think psa should have a database of serial numbered cards they have graded? of course. it would both save collectors money and would keep there process more consistent. you would not see the various grades for resubbed serial numbered cards.
i think you are assuming i have no problems with psa? of course i do. many collectors do. the big difference between a company like psa and mba starts right at the top. ANY company who has upper level executives like Brent will eventually fail and many collectors will lose money in the process. i cant stand that guy and what he did to the hobby. as long as he is in the hobby, i will be shouting warnings from the rooftops.
why in the world would mike baker ever decide to align himself with brent?
why in the world would mike baker ever decide to align himself with brent?
You’re asking this question as if you hadn’t already answered it yourself dozens of times. Baker has everything to gain by aligning himself with a guy who’s really good at what he does. Why fly alone when you have a co-pilot who knows all the shortcuts?
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
why in the world would mike baker ever decide to align himself with brent?
You’re asking this question as if you hadn’t already answered it yourself dozens of times. Baker has everything to gain by aligning himself with a guy who’s really good at what he does. Why fly alone when you have a co-pilot who knows all the shortcuts?
why in the world would mike baker ever decide to align himself with brent?
You’re asking this question as if you hadn’t already answered it yourself dozens of times. Baker has everything to gain by aligning himself with a guy who’s really good at what he does. Why fly alone when you have a co-pilot who knows all the shortcuts?
it is a rhetorical question
I think you give too much credit to everyone else.
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i just heard on a podcast ( i have not taken the time to confirm for myself) that MBA apparently used to have a database of cert numbers that have not received stickers. supposedly they have deactivated that service. the only reason i can think of for that is a straight up money grab.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Grabbing hands grab all they can.
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
To honor this thread:
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
One reason could be that they added Bronze sticker service.
To have a database saying they have not received stickers would now be inaccurate as it would mean they didn't receive silver or gold stickers that were the only two available previously.
it is possible, but why not just add the bronze sticker to the database? it seems more likely that MBA would prefer people to unknowingly resubmit slabs that have already been rejected for stickers. MBA would still have the database knowing that a specific cert number has been rejected and simply reject it and repack/ship it back to the submitter without even having to review it.
easy money it appears.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
They probably wont be rejecting much anymore people will gets the stickers they pay for.
Everyone who pays gets a sticker. Which is perfect as when they are ubiquitous folks will become desensitized to them
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
The recent "bronze" sticker is the silliest. It means they agree with the assigned grade. Meanwhile people make listings on eBay saying look, there's a bronze sticker so it must be half or full point higher... If I had a PSA card with a bronze sticker I would rip off the sticker.
this. i feel that a bronze sticker is actually a net negative. cards that do not have the sticker have the "potential" of getting one. bronze stickered cards do not.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
this is a great point. when more slabs than not are carrying stickers, people will both get desensitized to them and also the folly of the whole thing will be evident. people will realize there is no exclusivity at all in having a stickered card
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
My recent experience w/MBA has been that it has become more difficult to receive a silver or gold diamond for high-end cards with grades 8 or higher.
They were already rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze.
They could just add bronze to the database, but you're then asking them to then add a note saying they were rejected for Silver and Gold, but not Bronze?
When PSA added half grades, did you ask PSA to add notes to the database of previously graded cards to tell folks to be aware that this card that is a PSA8, was graded before half grades was available, so it could very well be an 8.5, or a 6 if graded today?
You don't think PSA benefited from crackouts/reviews?
You're attributing nefarious motives because of personal reasons where logically its the right move.
And who knows, that previously rejected sticker card could very well receive a sticker the second time around.
Are you this vocal when PSA regrades that cracked out Pink Sparkle Refractor Ohtani #3/5 serial numbered card when all they had to do is look in the database and see they've already graded it previously, then charge the submitter only a re-holder fee, and not a full, likely upcharged, grading fee?
I'm sure you've heard people call PSA Please Submit Again.
Any motive for PSA to undergrade?
Have you seen the YouTuber who cracked out (200) PSA7s, 8s, and 9s Pokemon cards and re-subbed to PSA and returned with a 30% gem rate?
Re-subs are easy money it appears, for any company.
wouldnt it be assumed that if a slab "earns" a bronze sticker that it did not pass muster for either gold or silver? if it didnt get bronze, then it could be added to the database as such.
unless a card is serial numbered, it would be extrememly difficult, bordering on impossible for psa to keep track of which cards have been cracked and resubbed. of course they benefit from crack/resubs. but, like i said, unless the card is serial numbered, it would be more arduous a task than i would expect a company to go through. all MBA would need to do is simply record a cert number. super easy. would take 10 seconds.
do i think psa should have a database of serial numbered cards they have graded? of course. it would both save collectors money and would keep there process more consistent. you would not see the various grades for resubbed serial numbered cards.
i think you are assuming i have no problems with psa? of course i do. many collectors do. the big difference between a company like psa and mba starts right at the top. ANY company who has upper level executives like Brent will eventually fail and many collectors will lose money in the process. i cant stand that guy and what he did to the hobby. as long as he is in the hobby, i will be shouting warnings from the rooftops.
why in the world would mike baker ever decide to align himself with brent?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Birds of a feather
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
You’re asking this question as if you hadn’t already answered it yourself dozens of times. Baker has everything to gain by aligning himself with a guy who’s really good at what he does. Why fly alone when you have a co-pilot who knows all the shortcuts?
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.
it is a rhetorical question
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think you give too much credit to everyone else.
I sent all my cards to this little fella. I’ll out sticker everyone! That is if I get my cards back.
PSA 11 Chaz
I’d bet he could get cards back to you within 6 months!
I wanna puppy. :'(
A gembryo is the early developmental stage of a perfect card.