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1832 capped Bust lg letters MS?
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To me this coin is absolutely beautiful. The pictures don't do it justice it is blast white. When I first saw it I thought it could be an ms65. However, the population reports states only 30 ms60 and better and only two ms65 and better.
What grade would you give it?
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There appear to be several marks on each side. As one example, look on the reverse beneath the URIBU in PLURIBUS. Additionally, the surfaces look hazy, so I wouldn’t be confident that the coin would receive a straight grade.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Its nice, but I dont think as nice as you think it is, they are tough on bust halves anyway, If not any problems, dont see any from pic, Id say 58-61
Well, first of all it isn't a Large Letters. The only Large Letter Variety is the Overton O-101 (which has progressive Die States), and this isn't it. A Large Letter reverse is quite easy to identify from the reverse, and it isn't the letters you'll see first.
PCGS won't grade this as Unc (I mean anything is theoretically possible, but it's not happening). Higher than a 61? Not even close.
I would suspect you will get a 58 if there aren't marks I can't see or issues that keep it from straight grading. A net grade situation is possible.
From there I'm not thinking CAC will sticker it (not original enough).
You'll want to look very carefully at more than a few 63 and better PCGS and CACG Capped Bust Halves, in person, if you want to start to understand early federal grading a little better. You'll be paying attention to the "texture" of the surfaces.
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... for whatever that's worth
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My first thought is AU58, but you have it in-hand.
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Your 50c is worth a substantial premium.
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Also, here's a Large Letter 1832 ... it's the 101a. The Die crack on the reverse is noticeably thinner on the earliest Die States, yet is always known to be present, and makes Large Letter identification easy.
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Todd - BHNC #242
You should defer to the many bust half experts here but based on those pictures, if I was grading it, AU Cleaned.
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the haze gives the appearance that it might have been dipped too many times over the years, hence the flat appearance. It might straight grade but without seeing it in hand I can't assign it a grade.
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58 or 62
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Thank you for the comments and education.
Fyi: the coin does look a lot better in hand than the pictures I submitted and the reason I wrote lg letters was when I compared my coin to the pictures on pcgs website the position of the T over the I in pluribus matched the lg letters diagram however, looking again I see how the A and E appear to have more spacing between letters and obviously my coin doesn't have the die crack, oops on my part.
In the end I like the way the coin looks but based on all the input it is not as high a grade as I hoped. I am still happy.
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The greenish areas - PVC? Pass.
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The "green" is from a secondary light source, such as a window to the outside.
It might grade as high as MS63. But the pictures are insufficient to determine if there is any "rub".
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Yes, I would be happy to own this as well, I think it would make a wonderful addition to a AU/UNC Type album! 😎
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Could be 62 shot 63. It has been dipped and not the most attractive. That will hurt it from grading 63 or higher.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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Why is it raw? I would think it’s worth enough to be in a TPG holder.
Are the patches of green tarnish PVC?
I was told It was part of a grandfathers collection. He started collecting late 1800s early 1900s. This and other coins were stored in a safe for many years thats why I believe it was never sent in to a TPG.
This coin was in a small brown envelope and those batches look brown to me.
I still think it’s interesting the position of the T relative to the I in purlibus looking at the pcgs side by side picture. 🤔 I figure one of the dies used for the small letter had this position.
Look at the placement of the beginning of the E PLURIBUS UNUM banner between your coin and the O-101a. Clearly different placements under E and D. That is just one of the many subtle differences. There are 23 die marriages of the 1832 so many things will overlap in placement, many things won't.......... Can't use the placement of just one letter when assessing the die marriage (in most cases), it is much more complicated than that.
Here is a book with great images and descriptions that aide in DM ID:
https://davidkahnrarecoins.com/product/u-s-early-half-dollars-1794-1807-variety-identification-guide-by-robert-powers-2/
Yours appears to be O-111, there are several Small Letters DMs with T and I aligned, and different dies. Hence, need more identifiers. The book above took me <5 minutes to distinguish which DM yours is out of the 23.
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Free attribution website with images of this die marriage:
http://maibockaddict.com/1832-o-111-r1-capped-bust-half-dollar.shtml
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
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JRCS #1606
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I wanted to revisit this because I noticed you seemed more genuinely interested in learning about these coins than I first anticipated.
Remembering that there are both Obverse and Reverse Dies, and sometimes one or the other will be shared across multiple Die Marriages and may have a distinct feature that almost assures attribution (including, coincidentally the 1832 Large Letters!), here's a quick mental check list to go though as you compare Reverse Die's;
1. relationship of I to T (probably the most common first spot to look)
2. relationship of U in UNUM to O in OF
3. type of 5 in 50 C. (placement of 5 in relation to Claws, and between Claws and Dentils is also useful)
4. relationship of C. in 50 C. to the end of the Olive Branch
I have found that using these four steps should narrow down almost every Reverse Die for a specific year down to just one or two possibilities (except for 1827, which is a little trickier due to the vast number of DM's and the very minor differences in some).
Happy Hunting!
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“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242