I watched the ATS bounce back and forth from 0 to about 1000 several times on the quarters today. Also noticed a new human verification on the final checkout screen.
@Nephasth said:
I watched the ATS bounce back and forth from 0 to about 1000 several times on the quarters today. Also noticed a new human verification on the final checkout screen.
Was the verification simple or one of the profoundly annoying "click all photos with a car" type of thing?
My son and I will be heading down to the d c store in the morning. It will be interesting to see what these things really look like. I'll see how sales are going and how it looks like it will turn out and then decide on getting any.
I'll let you guys know how things look from the mint store. At this price, I would be surprised.If there is much of a line.
I can't answer you honestly with any background in that, but I would imagine, in time, they will be able to figure out a way to do it. I remember back in the early days of the internet, forum groups were established for "pay for clicks" rewards to clicking on ads. Many different programs were built to sit all day and click on pre-assigned spots on the computer screen to keep the user "active" while he or she played golf, etc.
Thanks for keeping us posted tomorrow on DC. After the price is set later today, I expect some more "on the fence" buyers to say "nah!" As far as I know, there is ZERO interest from buyer's groups on this one.
I can't answer you honestly with any background in that, but I would imagine, in time, they will be able to figure out a way to do it. I remember back in the early days of the internet, forum groups were established for "pay for clicks" rewards to clicking on ads. Many different programs were built to sit all day and click on pre-assigned spots on the computer screen to keep the user "active" while he or she played golf, etc.
Thanks for keeping us posted tomorrow on DC. After the price is set later today, I expect some more "on the fence" buyers to say "nah!" As far as I know, there is ZERO interest from buyer's groups on this one.
I was by the DC Store. The guy said that at this price he does not expect a long line. Of course, anything could happen, but he seems like he's been there a while.
@MilesWaits said:
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
I can't answer you honestly with any background in that, but I would imagine, in time, they will be able to figure out a way to do it. I remember back in the early days of the internet, forum groups were established for "pay for clicks" rewards to clicking on ads. Many different programs were built to sit all day and click on pre-assigned spots on the computer screen to keep the user "active" while he or she played golf, etc.
Thanks for keeping us posted tomorrow on DC. After the price is set later today, I expect some more "on the fence" buyers to say "nah!" As far as I know, there is ZERO interest from buyer's groups on this one.
I was by the DC Store. The guy said that at this price he does not expect a long line. Of course, anything could happen, but he seems like he's been there a while.
I agree with him. The consensus is building that this will be a lot easier to obtain tomorrow than originally feared when we first saw what it looked like and then were told the mintage would be half of the first 3.
Yeah Raufus, it is and you know what would really hurt?! Waiting for a refund on a 1 oz gold bell, ouch, owwie, POW.
I can't imagine the Mint is in any rush or they're just overwhelmed with returns..or just slow rolling cause they can... they own the market.
@MilesWaits said:
Yeah Raufus, it is and you know what would really hurt?! Waiting for a refund on a 1 oz gold bell, ouch, owwie, POW.
I can't imagine the Mint is in any rush or they're just overwhelmed with returns..or just slow rolling cause they can... they own the market.
WOW, Miles! That sure is true. I can't imagine - $20K tied up for a month + w/no info other than "we're behind" when you call.
@MilesWaits said:
Yes, other than the Bronco, the sunflower has been one of the most beautiful Libertygold coins from the Mint.
From eBay:
C’mon now!
The pain.
I ordered one from the Mint. Got a 70. Beautiful coin. But, it seemed to not be going anywhere. I needed a few $ for a classic coin that I was after. So, I met another forum member at the Balto. show and sold it for $4400. Seller's remorse ever since. I LOVE the coin. I love the message. Ugh.
I ordered one from the Mint. Got a 70. Beautiful coin. But, it seemed to not be going anywhere. I needed a few $ for a classic coin that I was after. So, I met another forum member at the Balto. show and sold it for $4400. Seller's remorse ever since. I LOVE the coin. I love the message. Ugh.
We have sunflowers growing literally everywhere on our property, so this is one in the "keeper" pile.
@MilesWaits said:
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
No other business. But this is not just another business. It is the US government, selling monopoly products at pre-established prices.
Sometimes far above market, other times far below. You hate bots and buyers clubs. So does the Mint.
Right now, the best strategy it has to combat them just might be slow walking refunds. Don't be shocked if part of the reason buyers clubs are taking a pass on BOM4 is because their members are still waiting for $20K refunds from the last time they took risk free shots at something they had no interest in, other than to flip.
At the end of the day, I'm sorry you have money tied up indefinitely, but I agree with @jmlanzaf in thinking that buyer's remorse refunds should not be allowed.
Because they hurt actual collectors just to benefit speculators. In the real world, speculation entails risk. Here, the only risk is having your money tied up for a while. Good, if that means real collectors will be able to easily obtain BOM4 tomorrow because the buyers clubs have been discouraged from playing.
@MilesWaits said:
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
No other business. But this is not just another business. It is the US government, selling monopoly products at pre-established prices.
Sometimes far above market, other times far below. You hate bots and buyers clubs. So does the Mint.
Right now, the best strategy it has to combat them just might be slow walking refunds. Don't be shocked if part of the reason buyers clubs are taking a pass on BOM4 is because their members are still waiting for $20K refunds from the last time they took risk free shots at something they had no interest in, other than to flip.
At the end of the day, I'm sorry you have money tied up indefinitely, but I agree with @jmlanzaf in thinking that buyer's remorse refunds should not be allowed.
Because they hurt actual collectors just to benefit speculators. In the real world, speculation entails risk. Here, the only risk is having your money tied up for a while. Good, if that means real collectors will be able to easily obtain BOM4 tomorrow because the buyers clubs have been discouraged from playing.
Wow. Look at us agreeing.
My crystal ball says it won't last the evening.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Big day tomorrow. Won't sell out. No need to stress. No bots. Pause and savor the moment you click "Add to bag." I will be with you in spirit. Leroy Jenkins!
Well I decided I am going for one. Either going to go to the Philly mint and get in line or will try on the website. Depends on how I feel in the morning. 🤞
@MilesWaits said:
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
No other business. But this is not just another business. It is the US government, selling monopoly products at pre-established prices.
Sometimes far above market, other times far below. You hate bots and buyers clubs. So does the Mint.
Right now, the best strategy it has to combat them just might be slow walking refunds. Don't be shocked if part of the reason buyers clubs are taking a pass on BOM4 is because their members are still waiting for $20K refunds from the last time they took risk free shots at something they had no interest in, other than to flip.
At the end of the day, I'm sorry you have money tied up indefinitely, but I agree with @jmlanzaf in thinking that buyer's remorse refunds should not be allowed.
Because they hurt actual collectors just to benefit speculators. In the real world, speculation entails risk. Here, the only risk is having your money tied up for a while. Good, if that means real collectors will be able to easily obtain BOM4 tomorrow because the buyers clubs have been discouraged from playing.
Grest post.
I returned it due to the rim defects that I posted about when it arrived.
I can definitely understand how no buyers remorse return policy could decrease buyer's club flippers. However, most businesses let one return product in original condition for any reason. If the Mint not I think it would depress sales. Sometimes you don't know what something looks like until you have it in hand.
@Mark1010 said:
Well I decided I am going for one. Either going to go to the Philly mint and get in line or will try on the website. Depends on how I feel in the morning. 🤞
@MilesWaits said:
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
No other business. But this is not just another business. It is the US government, selling monopoly products at pre-established prices.
Sometimes far above market, other times far below. You hate bots and buyers clubs. So does the Mint.
Right now, the best strategy it has to combat them just might be slow walking refunds. Don't be shocked if part of the reason buyers clubs are taking a pass on BOM4 is because their members are still waiting for $20K refunds from the last time they took risk free shots at something they had no interest in, other than to flip.
At the end of the day, I'm sorry you have money tied up indefinitely, but I agree with @jmlanzaf in thinking that buyer's remorse refunds should not be allowed.
Because they hurt actual collectors just to benefit speculators. In the real world, speculation entails risk. Here, the only risk is having your money tied up for a while. Good, if that means real collectors will be able to easily obtain BOM4 tomorrow because the buyers clubs have been discouraged from playing.
Grest post.
I returned it due to the rim defects that I posted about when it arrived.
I can definitely understand how no buyers remorse return policy could decrease buyer's club flippers. However, most businesses let one return product in original condition for any reason. If the Mint not I think it would depress sales. Sometimes you don't know what something looks like until you have it in hand.
Correct! This is why they do it in the first place.
Limiting it to damaged items would only encourage people to damage items in order to be allowed to return them. Even so, something is eventually going to have to give, given how cluster blank the gold Liberty Bells ended up being for the Mint.
Slow walking refunds is all the Mint can do right now to give people pause before exercising a risk free option. It sucks that you got caught up in that, given you are not an abusive speculator.
If It means suppressing sales, so be it. When Best Buy instituted a restocking fee in response to people buying big screen TVs before the Super Bowl and then returning them, it also cost them sales. But it also stopped abuse that cost them time and money.
The Mint making and shipping, and then having to refund, over a thousand gold Liberty Bells for which there was never any real demand, despite what at least one participant here apparently still believes, also cost a lot of time and money they will never recover.
Putting your damaged rim aside, plenty of folks return coins they think will not grade 70. That's abusive, since the Mint does not guarantee perfection.
To me, the 1500 being tied up is an annoyance. At least I can float it until the eventual refund & pay my statement in full as always. Those who laid out 19+K for a Bell and can't float the money to pay off the statement before the refund hits are really in for a soaking w the obscene CC interest rates.
Totally agree re returning coins thought to be 69s. I keep most in the OGP. A non-70 doesn't bother me, depending on the issue. This rim defect was so obvious I couldn't enjoy the coin. I kept tyring to overlook it but I could not. The reflectivity of the dinged surfaces were just too obvious and distracting. So, it had to go.
The TV thing is crazy. Of course, that's now a used product vs a coin returned as shipped in the OGP.
@MilesWaits said:
Yes, other than the Bronco, the sunflower has been one of the most beautiful Libertygold coins from the Mint.
From eBay:
C’mon now!
The pain.
I ordered one from the Mint. Got a 70. Beautiful coin. But, it seemed to not be going anywhere. I needed a few $ for a classic coin that I was after. So, I met another forum member at the Balto. show and sold it for $4400. Seller's remorse ever since. I LOVE the coin. I love the message. Ugh.
If it makes you feel any better, I believed your sold price may be off by quite a few hundred of dollars.
The original issue price was $4260 plus grading fee etc could easily put your cost in the $4400 range.
@Mark1010 said:
Well I decided I am going for one. Either going to go to the Philly mint and get in line or will try on the website. Depends on how I feel in the morning. 🤞
Good luck!
Thank you! And best of luck to you tomorrow on your quest.
@MilesWaits said:
Yes, other than the Bronco, the sunflower has been one of the most beautiful Libertygold coins from the Mint.
From eBay:
C’mon now!
The pain.
I ordered one from the Mint. Got a 70. Beautiful coin. But, it seemed to not be going anywhere. I needed a few $ for a classic coin that I was after. So, I met another forum member at the Balto. show and sold it for $4400. Seller's remorse ever since. I LOVE the coin. I love the message. Ugh.
If it makes you feel any better, I believed your sold price may be off by quite a few hundred of dollars.
The original issue price was $4260 plus grading fee etc could easily put your cost in the $4400 range.
Just a wild guess 😜
I'm going from memory. May have been more. My thought was to get what I'd get on ebay net of fees. I believe I did that. I listed it on the BST & met the buyer at the show. Wish I'd have kept it.
@toranamira said:
So of course gold has to drop $40 after they price the 1804. I will still try for one though.
not sure a move like that would've had any effect on this issue considering how the mint prices their Au/Ag coins
Right. Even with today’s drop we would be at the same issue price. If a sustained drop happens, those who wait a week will pick it up cheaper than today’s issue price.
I wonder how many of the classics collectors who don't buy moderns will go after these & the 1907.
The price is definitely a bit hurt. One could get some nice classics for that money.
To think that the issue price for the three coin gold eagle anniversary set was $2610. If gold ever should really go down all of this stuff will be SO under water.
Heading downtown. Loupe in hand. 15 miles but 40 min drive. Thats not even rush hour. Of course, the only predicted rain over a multi day period is tiday... Ugh.
@Raufus said:
Heading downtown. Loupe in hand. 15 miles but 40 min drive. Thats not even rush hour. Of course, the only predicted rain over a multi day period is tiday... Ugh.
Don’t worry it’s quiet down here in DC. Came early to get some bags from yesterdays release. See you at noon!
@Raufus said:
Heading downtown. Loupe in hand. 15 miles but 40 min drive. Thats not even rush hour. Of course, the only predicted rain over a multi day period is tiday... Ugh.
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I watched the ATS bounce back and forth from 0 to about 1000 several times on the quarters today. Also noticed a new human verification on the final checkout screen.
Was the verification simple or one of the profoundly annoying "click all photos with a car" type of thing?
Can the bots beat the screen (for you IT folks)?
was a click box captcha
Awesome.
Can bots defeat this?
My son and I will be heading down to the d c store in the morning. It will be interesting to see what these things really look like. I'll see how sales are going and how it looks like it will turn out and then decide on getting any.
I'll let you guys know how things look from the mint store. At this price, I would be surprised.If there is much of a line.
I can't answer you honestly with any background in that, but I would imagine, in time, they will be able to figure out a way to do it. I remember back in the early days of the internet, forum groups were established for "pay for clicks" rewards to clicking on ads. Many different programs were built to sit all day and click on pre-assigned spots on the computer screen to keep the user "active" while he or she played golf, etc.
Thanks for keeping us posted tomorrow on DC. After the price is set later today, I expect some more "on the fence" buyers to say "nah!" As far as I know, there is ZERO interest from buyer's groups on this one.
Gonna be a proper shite show tomorrow AM!
Go get em BesttOf-tigers.
So, if I break down and get myself a BOT, can it also handle the return process for me?!
Just in case.
I was by the DC Store. The guy said that at this price he does not expect a long line. Of course, anything could happen, but he seems like he's been there a while.
Figures.
LOL.
But, you'll still be out your $ for a month or more. I've yet to be refunded for my BOM 2 which they received back nearly a month ago! It's crazy. What other business takes a over a month for a refund!
I agree with him. The consensus is building that this will be a lot easier to obtain tomorrow than originally feared when we first saw what it looked like and then were told the mintage would be half of the first 3.
Yeah Raufus, it is and you know what would really hurt?! Waiting for a refund on a 1 oz gold bell, ouch, owwie, POW.
I can't imagine the Mint is in any rush or they're just overwhelmed with returns..or just slow rolling cause they can... they own the market.
In case not mentioned yet, price is listed = $5740.
Thanks for the "Good" news! LOL!
11044 ats
Great deal!
WOW, Miles! That sure is true. I can't imagine - $20K tied up for a month + w/no info other than "we're behind" when you call.
Yikes!
I remember watching the 2008 four coin buff sets break $6K with astonishment.
To think, I sold my 70 Sunflower FS for $4400. Ugh.
Yes, other than the Bronco, the sunflower has been one of the most beautiful Libertygold coins from the Mint.
From eBay:
C’mon now!
That's up for COTY in the "Best Gold Coin" category.
The pain.
I ordered one from the Mint. Got a 70. Beautiful coin. But, it seemed to not be going anywhere. I needed a few $ for a classic coin that I was after. So, I met another forum member at the Balto. show and sold it for $4400. Seller's remorse ever since. I LOVE the coin. I love the message. Ugh.
We have sunflowers growing literally everywhere on our property, so this is one in the "keeper" pile.
When did you sell it? The gold price now is already paying for itself.
Indeed.
The Nov 25 Whitman show
No other business. But this is not just another business. It is the US government, selling monopoly products at pre-established prices.
Sometimes far above market, other times far below. You hate bots and buyers clubs. So does the Mint.
Right now, the best strategy it has to combat them just might be slow walking refunds. Don't be shocked if part of the reason buyers clubs are taking a pass on BOM4 is because their members are still waiting for $20K refunds from the last time they took risk free shots at something they had no interest in, other than to flip.
At the end of the day, I'm sorry you have money tied up indefinitely, but I agree with @jmlanzaf in thinking that buyer's remorse refunds should not be allowed.
Because they hurt actual collectors just to benefit speculators. In the real world, speculation entails risk. Here, the only risk is having your money tied up for a while. Good, if that means real collectors will be able to easily obtain BOM4 tomorrow because the buyers clubs have been discouraged from playing.
Wow. Look at us agreeing.
My crystal ball says it won't last the evening.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Big day tomorrow. Won't sell out. No need to stress. No bots. Pause and savor the moment you click "Add to bag." I will be with you in spirit. Leroy Jenkins!
I've got 9 different offers to buy...
Well I decided I am going for one. Either going to go to the Philly mint and get in line or will try on the website. Depends on how I feel in the morning. 🤞
Looks like a winner to me.
But who am I to predict a Mint winner?
Want to be a player, but will have to watch from the sidelines. 😒
Grest post.
I returned it due to the rim defects that I posted about when it arrived.
I can definitely understand how no buyers remorse return policy could decrease buyer's club flippers. However, most businesses let one return product in original condition for any reason. If the Mint not I think it would depress sales. Sometimes you don't know what something looks like until you have it in hand.
Good luck!
Correct! This is why they do it in the first place.
Limiting it to damaged items would only encourage people to damage items in order to be allowed to return them. Even so, something is eventually going to have to give, given how cluster blank the gold Liberty Bells ended up being for the Mint.
Slow walking refunds is all the Mint can do right now to give people pause before exercising a risk free option. It sucks that you got caught up in that, given you are not an abusive speculator.
If It means suppressing sales, so be it. When Best Buy instituted a restocking fee in response to people buying big screen TVs before the Super Bowl and then returning them, it also cost them sales. But it also stopped abuse that cost them time and money.
The Mint making and shipping, and then having to refund, over a thousand gold Liberty Bells for which there was never any real demand, despite what at least one participant here apparently still believes, also cost a lot of time and money they will never recover.
Putting your damaged rim aside, plenty of folks return coins they think will not grade 70. That's abusive, since the Mint does not guarantee perfection.
To me, the 1500 being tied up is an annoyance. At least I can float it until the eventual refund & pay my statement in full as always. Those who laid out 19+K for a Bell and can't float the money to pay off the statement before the refund hits are really in for a soaking w the obscene CC interest rates.
Totally agree re returning coins thought to be 69s. I keep most in the OGP. A non-70 doesn't bother me, depending on the issue. This rim defect was so obvious I couldn't enjoy the coin. I kept tyring to overlook it but I could not. The reflectivity of the dinged surfaces were just too obvious and distracting. So, it had to go.
The TV thing is crazy. Of course, that's now a used product vs a coin returned as shipped in the OGP.
If it makes you feel any better, I believed your sold price may be off by quite a few hundred of dollars.
The original issue price was $4260 plus grading fee etc could easily put your cost in the $4400 range.
Just a wild guess 😜
Thank you! And best of luck to you tomorrow on your quest.
Anyone planning to buy one and wanting to sell just medal contact me.
So of course gold has to drop $40 after they price the 1804. I will still try for one though.
The most expensive gold of this series has been the mercury dime so far.
I'm going from memory. May have been more. My thought was to get what I'd get on ebay net of fees. I believe I did that. I listed it on the BST & met the buyer at the show. Wish I'd have kept it.
not sure a move like that would've had any effect on this issue considering how the mint prices their Au/Ag coins
Right. Even with today’s drop we would be at the same issue price. If a sustained drop happens, those who wait a week will pick it up cheaper than today’s issue price.
I wonder how many of the classics collectors who don't buy moderns will go after these & the 1907.
The price is definitely a bit hurt. One could get some nice classics for that money.
To think that the issue price for the three coin gold eagle anniversary set was $2610. If gold ever should really go down all of this stuff will be SO under water.
Heading downtown. Loupe in hand. 15 miles but 40 min drive. Thats not even rush hour. Of course, the only predicted rain over a multi day period is tiday... Ugh.
@ANA Pittsburgh with Paul Hollis eager to purchase Best of Mint 1804 Gold
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Don’t worry it’s quiet down here in DC. Came early to get some bags from yesterdays release. See you at noon!
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Keep us posted!