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Possible 1964 SMS Lincoln Cent
Ballmrb
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Got this from a collector for 70 plus years and it checks all the boxes of the SMS. The detail is phenomenal. The rim is squared off , sharp and thinner it has the matching die polish marks and is non reflective. Attached the bus
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Nope.
Looks like a nice coin for a Whitman folder.
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Howdy and welcome.
You will get quite a few more, better or simply more thorough responses if you can concisely and logically explain and illustrate how it "checks all the boxes of the SMS" by using clear and focused images of known SMS pieces and of how yours matches exactly in every single detail those pieces. Otherwise, your post is likely to be taken as being from someone with far more enthusiasm than knowledge.
That might read harsh, but we have had many (perhaps hundreds) of new posters come to these boards with the same story and common coin that you might be attempting to share and not one of them has actually had a 1964 SMS. Good luck.
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Sorry - not even close. The first pic is yours - the second is a known graded and photographed PCGS example.
Im just curious.
Is a 1964 SMS 1c rare or common?
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Based on the posts to this thread, you should be able to guess correctly. 😉
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Here is just one comparison
A business strike rim would not have the pressure characteristics of an SMS nor the low point details like the jacket . Also there are different variations of the die polish marks slightly. And. Since its is a guess how many were made and exist how does anyone know that there are not a few variations in the die polish marks slightly This matches every documented clues to how to identify one. The tone alone is not close to any business strike yet alone the quality of the strike
Here ate 2 graded examples that have completely different die poloish marks
Is it Friday afternoon already?
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You said "Possible SMS", got responses and then disagreed. Since you have already determined it's an SMS coin, why start the thread?
same coin
Is it. Look at the nose and the ear. Not the same coin
When you are commenting, you are failing to fill a Whitman folder.
If you’re so confident about the coin’s SMS status, why are you posting about it instead of submitting it? I doubt that any opinions expressed here will make any difference to you or to PCGS.
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Forget the nose and the ear. They are photos of the same coin using different lighting and different focus. Look instead at the spots and tarnish streaks.
So the question is, who is responsible for the subterfuge? Did someone else provide those photos to you, or did they originate with you? 🤔
Why do the toning spots match?
They probably match for the same reason that the streaks do.😉
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Yeah, I thought so but I didn't want it to look like "piling on" by pointing them out, too.
In that case, I was happy to have assisted.
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Isn't a 1964 just kind of a widget or am I missing something?
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SMS examples are rather valuable.
You're missing something.
This question is not about an uncirculated coin or a proof coin, but rather an SMS (Special Mint Set) coin. The controversy is that while SMS sets were not issued in 1964 (only 1965, 1966, and 1967), supposedly a very limited number of 1964 coins were minted to SMS standards.
People are always popping up to insist they found one in the wild, which is not really possible.
Sigh.
Oddly enough, none of the "Do You Have A 1964 SMS Penny" websites (that I have seen, anyway) tell you that. Which is one reason why people are always popping up to insist they found one in the wild, I'm guessing.
Call me nit-picky if you wish. But those who believe in the 1964 SMS coins are generally of the opinion that they were experimental in nature. And regardless, they certainty weren’t minted to SMS standards as we know them.
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1964 SMS coins (if they are real) were not struck for distribution. Google them and you'll get the story. There's also several threads on the forum. They are rare 5-figure coins, most of which have a similar provenance. They are not found in the wild.
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Not a lot of click possibilities for an article that says: "Here's a rare coin that you don't have and will never find."
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All known 1964 SMS coins came from former mint director Eva Adams' estate. Unless your collector friend knew her, or someone who had a very special role at the mint in 1964, the coin you have cannot be an SMS regardless of what it looks like.
As someone will again repeat twenty five pages on,,,…..,, ”Submit”
They are expensive widgets since our host has only graded 24 reported, 20 in SPRD and 4 in SPRB (https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/lincoln-cent-modern-1959-date/47?ccid=0&t=3&p=SP), that compares to 2,794 in 1965 SPRD. Also none at all graded by NGC (no page to cite) or CAC (https://www.cacgrading.com/pop-price/graded/25) for 1964 SMS.
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It's just a massive "Coe-inky-dink" - (coincidence)
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The odds of finding any 1964 SMS coin in circulation is..............let's just say........ZERO.
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The 1964 SMS coins were not true SMS, but a the first few 1964 coins off the dies. They were sent to the Smithsonian, after which some have ended up in private hands. None at any point have ever entered circulation.
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The odds are certainly not zero.
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Are these all the marks you were referring too in the side by side pics that was believed to be the same coin I posted
Would you say these two coins are the sane
No, they are not. You may put that coin in your Whitman folder.
Nothing that you have posted is sane.
Do the red arrows ink the one pic match any of the marks in the other pic
The photo on the left is too close. It cuts off the key areas.
It's just a cropped version of the business strike coin from his original post:
The red arrows are based on the picture another member posted and said "same coin", to which you responded with "Not the same coin".
@Ballmrb
You have so far posted two of your 1964 business strike cents (see below). Both of them can go into a Whitman folder. The other photos are of 1964 SMS cents that you have copied from online sources.
If you particularly like the 1964 cents, you can fill up all the holes in your Whitman folder with them. The next time you find a 1964 cent, you do not need to post it here; just put it directly into your Whitman folder.
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Untill anybody finds one they are certainly zero.........
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So my odds of dying are zero until I actually do? 😁
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That's not entirely a joke, because the previous comment is incomplete.
The previous comment has an implied time frame: The odds of anyone finding one before they die is zero.
Phrased that way, it's obvious that the odds of you dying before you die are also zero...
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