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logger7
logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited July 15, 2026 3:06PM in U.S. Coin Forum

How would you grade this?



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  • ShaunBC5
    ShaunBC5 Posts: 1,974 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I’ll jump in and say I have no real clue, but since you asked…Proof 61? Proof Details (or impaired, or whatever we say for proofs).
    Proof Morgans are always cool to see, even if I can’t judge them.

  • 2windy2fish
    2windy2fish Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not 100 percent sure but i don’t believe that is a proof…

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Either details for the cleaning or PR60.

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2026 3:04PM
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    Cleaned and not sure about the proof part

  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2026 3:17PM
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    UNC details - cleaned

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  • 124Spider
    124Spider Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Not certain from the photos, but I am guessing that even I would find that cleaning to be harsh/unacceptable.

  • coastaljerseyguy
    coastaljerseyguy Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    With the cleaning that harsh, shouldn't the grade be PR58 or lower, even if never circulated. Would appear to rub just as much detail as circulation. Hard to tell from photo, but assuming there are hairlines on Liberty like the fields.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2026 6:46PM
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    @coastaljerseyguy said:

    With the cleaning that harsh, shouldn't the grade be PR58 or lower, even if never circulated. Would appear to rub just as much detail as circulation. Hard to tell from photo, but assuming there are hairlines on Liberty like the fields.

    While I can understand your thinking. I’ve seen “Harshly Cleaned” Proof 60 details examples graded by NGC, PCGS and ANACS.

    Edited to add: what I posted previously was incorrect and I apologize for that. The language used by PCGS is
    “PR Genuine UNC Detail”.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • anablep
    anablep Posts: 5,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Whizzed, sadly… impaired proof, maybe PF60.

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    With a loupe :D
    Looks cool regardless if impaired or not.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @anablep said:
    Whizzed, sadly… impaired proof, maybe PF60.

    The coin doesn’t appear to be whizzed, though harshly cleaned.

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  • P0CKETCHANGE
    P0CKETCHANGE Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    Proof 60 details, harshly cleaned.

    Aren’t “proof 60” and “proof details” considered mutually exclusive grades? The former being a straight grade, and the latter not. I believe you are saying this is a details coin, so I find the numerical grade a bit quizzical.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2026 2:36PM
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    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @MFeld said:
    Proof 60 details, harshly cleaned.

    Aren’t “proof 60” and “proof details” considered mutually exclusive grades? The former being a straight grade, and the latter not. I believe you are saying this is a details coin, so I find the numerical grade a bit quizzical.

    Thank you for catching my mistake. The language used by PCGS is “PR Genuine UNC Detail”.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2026 3:38PM
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    Proof Morgans and dollars in general seem hard to grade as you see hairlines and you think "cleaned" as with the business issue coins. However many of the heavily hairlined dollars straight grade as PR62 for example. It is hard to image this coin, it has the mirrors and reflectivity where you can see substantial details at a distance. The same shop had a proof 1883 Trade dollar that looked suspicious with a squiggly line like a scratch but could very well be a struck through strand of cloth as it had more the shape of a long and thick thread than a "scratch".

  • jacrispies
    jacrispies Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a proof without question, Proof Unc Cleaned.

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  • P0CKETCHANGE
    P0CKETCHANGE Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2026 3:34PM
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    @logger7 said:
    The same shop had a proof 1883 Trade dollar that looked suspicious with a squigly line like a scratch but could very well be a struck through strand of cloth as it had more the shape of a long and thick thread than a "scratch".

    Oftentimes, those small fiber strike-thrus are evidence of proof strikes. Frequent hand polishing by cloth between strikes led to shed fibers that ended up between the dies and planchet.

  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 16, 2026 4:08PM
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    @P0CKETCHANGE said:

    @logger7 said:
    The same shop had a proof 1883 Trade dollar that looked suspicious with a squigly line like a scratch but could very well be a struck through strand of cloth as it had more the shape of a long and thick thread than a "scratch".

    Oftentimes, those small fiber strike-thrus are evidence of proof strikes. Frequent hand polishing by cloth between strikes led to shed fibers that ended up between the dies and planchet.

    The 1883 Trade dollar also has a significant scratch 1/4 - 1/2 inch in the fields that the store owner thought might also be mint made and I told him I could not think of how that would have happened and been allowed to leave the mint as these were true collector coins.

  • Mr_Spud
    Mr_Spud Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It looks much worse than PF58. I doubt it would straight grade, but if so, it would more like a PF50. Here’s a PF58 from my collection that I think is a solid PF58

    Mr_Spud

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Mr_Spud said:
    It looks much worse than PF58. I doubt it would straight grade, but if so, it would more like a PF50. Here’s a PF58 from my collection that I think is a solid PF58

    I agree that the coin looks worse than the AU58 exmple you posted. But that’s largely due to the cleaning. Still, it has too much detail to grade 50, 53 or even 55, whether straight-grade or detail-grade.

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  • logger7
    logger7 Posts: 9,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A couple other pictures:

    I've seen plenty of proof Morgans with lots of hairlines. I'm assuming that the cleaning/mishandling would be too much for a botton level MS60 grade. Still pond like reflective surfaces unlike many of the others, certainly the AUs I've looked at.

  • Maywood
    Maywood Posts: 4,384 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would grade it as “Pass” and move along.

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  • tradedollarnut
    tradedollarnut Posts: 20,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Body bag net 50

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @tradedollarnut said:
    Body bag net 50

    Why not a details holder?

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  • tradedollarnut
    tradedollarnut Posts: 20,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 18, 2026 12:50PM
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    Body bag net 50> @MFeld said:

    @tradedollarnut said:
    Body bag net 50

    Why not a details holder?

    That is my mental equivalent to a details holder. I’m showing my age.

    In essence- no straight grade for you!

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PR60

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