@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
This is precisely what I've been saying all along. If the Mint wants to be PAMP, pretty soon it will be. And most of us will just move on to other things to collect, while the Mint sells limited edition silver trinkets for $6,000 per ounce.
@NJCoin said:
The golds are dead. They will be available tomorrow, and probably every day thereafter.
Because people were buying them to flip, not keep. And it turns out that there is no flip.
Silver is another story, because there is a flip. TBD how many come back due to Mint cancellations, but they will go fast as long as there is a flip.
You went down like the Hindenburg, and this is your second crash.
You will have silver Liberty bells ringing in your ears forever.
So how are your gold coins doing today? Hindenburg II is doing just fine, thanks.
You can try to turn this any way you can but it’s still a fail for you. You didn’t think silvers would sell out or be worth more than mint price. Almost everyone else did. People were 50/50 on the golds since they were so crazy priced and that’s still to be determined long term. But an utter failure on your silver prediction.
Correct. I was wrong on the silver. Thus far.
I still don't see the value, but the market disagrees. But I am as right about the gold as you are about the silver. You can't have it both ways. If gold is "still to be determined long term," so is silver.
And, I've got news for you -- it's much more likely that silver falls back to Earth once the fever breaks than gold rises Phoenix like from the ashes of the massive returns to the Mint.
The simple fact is still that I don't see anyone clamoring for the silver for any reason other than to flip it. It appears that dealers are behind most of the bids. Their abandoning their gold bids is why gold is acting the way that it is.
So, while there is nothing to support your TBD on gold, silver's value is going to rely on the Big Boys' ability to push it out the door at inflated prices. No doubt they are good at what they do, so I can't discount what we are all currently seeing, but there is still a question as to whether retail is going support this when it comes to market in a few weeks. That is "TBD."
No one was "50/50" on anything. People were encouraged by buyers clubs to take shots on the Mint's dime. Which is why everything sold out within a half hour.
Gold bids didn't hold, so gold orders were canceled. Silver bids remain strong, so the bots won on them.
Very, very few bought for themselves. Very, very few see value.
In a half ounce of silver at $750 or $3K, a half ounce of gold at $5K, or a full ounce of gold at $10K. Except dealers, who apparently feel they can market 2,026 of anything at a price in excess of $3K. That explains the bid. TBD where the market settles when these show up on TV for $5K, or whatever.
In the meantime, please feel free to keep browbeating me over silver while being in denial about gold. It's a very attractive look. I've got no problem admitting when I am wrong. Can you honestly say the same?
Except the 1/2 oz gold is now sold out and the 1 oz is getting close. So, it's still something of a "fail" for those who said they wouldn't sell out.
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434 on the 1 oz. -- it's been slow since that initial grab of 100
it went from 556 at noon, and when HHL removed dropped to 454 -- that was about 12:08pm EDT
@NJCoin said:
The golds are dead. They will be available tomorrow, and probably every day thereafter.
Because people were buying them to flip, not keep. And it turns out that there is no flip.
Silver is another story, because there is a flip. TBD how many come back due to Mint cancellations, but they will go fast as long as there is a flip.
You went down like the Hindenburg, and this is your second crash.
You will have silver Liberty bells ringing in your ears forever.
So how are your gold coins doing today? Hindenburg II is doing just fine, thanks.
You can try to turn this any way you can but it’s still a fail for you. You didn’t think silvers would sell out or be worth more than mint price. Almost everyone else did. People were 50/50 on the golds since they were so crazy priced and that’s still to be determined long term. But an utter failure on your silver prediction.
Correct. I was wrong on the silver. Thus far.
I still don't see the value, but the market disagrees. But I am as right about the gold as you are about the silver. You can't have it both ways. If gold is "still to be determined long term," so is silver.
And, I've got news for you -- it's much more likely that silver falls back to Earth once the fever breaks than gold rises Phoenix like from the ashes of the massive returns to the Mint.
The simple fact is still that I don't see anyone clamoring for the silver for any reason other than to flip it. It appears that dealers are behind most of the bids. Their abandoning their gold bids is why gold is acting the way that it is.
So, while there is nothing to support your TBD on gold, silver's value is going to rely on the Big Boys' ability to push it out the door at inflated prices. No doubt they are good at what they do, so I can't discount what we are all currently seeing, but there is still a question as to whether retail is going support this when it comes to market in a few weeks. That is "TBD."
No one was "50/50" on anything. People were encouraged by buyers clubs to take shots on the Mint's dime. Which is why everything sold out within a half hour.
Gold bids didn't hold, so gold orders were canceled. Silver bids remain strong, so the bots won on them.
Very, very few bought for themselves. Very, very few see value.
In a half ounce of silver at $750 or $3K, a half ounce of gold at $5K, or a full ounce of gold at $10K. Except dealers, who apparently feel they can market 2,026 of anything at a price in excess of $3K. That explains the bid. TBD where the market settles when these show up on TV for $5K, or whatever.
In the meantime, please feel free to keep browbeating me over silver while being in denial about gold. It's a very attractive look. I've got no problem admitting when I am wrong. Can you honestly say the same?
Except the 1/2 oz gold is now sold out and the 1 oz is getting close. So, it's still something of a "fail" for those who said they wouldn't sell out.
TBD. Let's see what comes back in the next few days. We've seen dealers take shots with gold before, and then return them when things don't work out.
I honestly don't think I'm wrong on this one. Silver is implying a roughly $3K dealer premium for Liberty Bells with 2,026 mintage limits and no intrinsic value.
Does that translate to a greater than $8K premium with $2K of intrinsic value, and $16K with $4K of intrinsic value? It didn't yesterday, which is why the bids disappeared and hundreds went back to the Mint.
If Magic Mike is going to throw the one ounce gold on TV at $25-30K and think that audience is going to bite, I wish him luck. Either way, there is no value and no flip for those of us who don't have TV airtime and a talented huckster to hawk these for us.
I don't think it's a fail, and question whether the sell out will hold past the return period. Stay tuned. Maybe it will. I'm just not there yet.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
Dealers weren't interested in paying a premium yesterday. They might be okay with buying them from the Mint.
I'm not a believer in pretty much anything the Mint makes in the long run. And, as I've been saying, I could envision both bull and bear scenarios here which is why I've made no call on the gold. I expected the silver to sell out, but the $5000 prices don't seem sustainable to me, but I've been wrong before.
But it is hard to call these a failure for the Mint. At this point, they've sold 5600 out of 6000 coins, despite the huge premium.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Beating a dead horse here, but one last clarification on canceling orders that I found helpful yesterday. This is based on my own experience with a rep and also reported elsewhere by another buyer.
While order status simply shows "Processing'" on the customer side, the rep's side shows an order status as "ProcessingPending" or "Processing". If an order is still pending, it can be canceled. If the status is just plain "Processing," it has moved into fulfillment and can't be canceled.
In other words, there are at least two kinds of Processing, and the Pending kind can be canceled.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
You are going to see a bunch of the 1/2 oz come back into inventory over the next few days/weeks because a lot of the people who bought them for buying groups did not cancel in time, and they shipped. It will be interesting to see what they do about the silvers, which effectively ended up nearly 100% in the hands of bot users.
The mint fucked this up in one obvious way IMO:
They should have made this a three coin set in an upscale, official display box. Take the premiums down slightly, still make a killing, and create an upscale centerpiece for people who want to display their "patriotism" and wealth.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
Dealers weren't interested in paying a premium yesterday. They might be okay with buying them from the Mint.
I'm not a believer in pretty much anything the Mint makes in the long run. And, as I've been saying, I could envision both bull and bear scenarios here which is why I've made no call on the gold. I expected the silver to sell out, but the $5000 prices don't seem sustainable to me, but I've been wrong before.
But it is hard to call these a failure for the Mint. At this point, they've sold 5600 out of 6000 coins, despite the huge premium.
its short term success if success is measured by sellout. However, it's a damaging product to them long term. Silver will always retain a premium, Id guess it settles in the 1800-2500 range, but gold will most definitely plummet long term. Its impossible for me to believe they will have 2x demand than the 75 privy which i believe are at 10k
Most collectors at a minimum entertain selling their purchase at some point. Even if they dont, they definetly want the market to be there in case they do. When they see the 1 ounce going for 5-10k below what they paid...........thats a very unhappy customer. US Mint is based on repeat customers.. hence my assertion that this was a big miss for the mint.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
Dealers weren't interested in paying a premium yesterday. They might be okay with buying them from the Mint.
I'm not a believer in pretty much anything the Mint makes in the long run. And, as I've been saying, I could envision both bull and bear scenarios here which is why I've made no call on the gold. I expected the silver to sell out, but the $5000 prices don't seem sustainable to me, but I've been wrong before.
But it is hard to call these a failure for the Mint. At this point, they've sold 5600 out of 6000 coins, despite the huge premium.
its short term success if success is measured by sellout. However, it's a damaging product to them long term. Silver will always retain a premium, Id guess it settles in the 1800-2500 range, but gold will most definitely plummet long term. Its impossible for me to believe they will have 2x demand than the 75 privy which i believe are at 10k
Most collectors at a minimum entertain selling their purchase at some point. Even if they dont, they definetly want the market to be there in case they do. When they see the 1 ounce going for 5-10k below what they paid...........thats a very unhappy customer. US Mint is based on repeat customers.. hence my assertion that this was a big miss for the mint.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Almost everything the Mint makes drops in value. Has that hurt them? Maybe. There are fewer buyers of proof eagles and annual sets. But that could be demographic changes as well.
If you buy a $20k gold coin that ends up being a $10k gold coin, you probably won't buy another. But we also don't know that there will ever be another that they are trying to sell or who the buyers are.
It's not an issue I had much interest in. I don't have much faith in its long term value. But I still think it's hard to argue that it was a failure of they sold even half of the mintage.
Did the FH privy hurt them?
Did the Omega gold cents hurt them?
I think it's important to separate our feelings from the assessment. They are all gimmicks. The gimmicks work. Hard to call it a failure even if we don't like it.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
If the 1 oz continues to sit unsold - with 385 pieces still available; it does not bode well for the secondary.
The issue becomes IF the full 2,026 were produced and are in inventory (assume YES) then we dont know down the line if the USM will go with a fire sale as they have in the past for their select big boys.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Hard to say they overpriced the premium when the silvers all sold out - and are selling for 4x to 8x the issue price - and the gold also sold out. Seems like they got it just about right on the gold, it struggled but eventually sold out, and they were too cheap on the silver.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
Dealers weren't interested in paying a premium yesterday. They might be okay with buying them from the Mint.
I'm not a believer in pretty much anything the Mint makes in the long run. And, as I've been saying, I could envision both bull and bear scenarios here which is why I've made no call on the gold. I expected the silver to sell out, but the $5000 prices don't seem sustainable to me, but I've been wrong before.
But it is hard to call these a failure for the Mint. At this point, they've sold 5600 out of 6000 coins, despite the huge premium.
its short term success if success is measured by sellout. However, it's a damaging product to them long term. Silver will always retain a premium, Id guess it settles in the 1800-2500 range, but gold will most definitely plummet long term. Its impossible for me to believe they will have 2x demand than the 75 privy which i believe are at 10k
Most collectors at a minimum entertain selling their purchase at some point. Even if they dont, they definetly want the market to be there in case they do. When they see the 1 ounce going for 5-10k below what they paid...........thats a very unhappy customer. US Mint is based on repeat customers.. hence my assertion that this was a big miss for the mint.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Almost everything the Mint makes drops in value. Has that hurt them? Maybe. There are fewer buyers of proof eagles and annual sets. But that could be demographic changes as well.
If you buy a $20k gold coin that ends up being a $10k gold coin, you probably won't buy another. But we also don't know that there will ever be another that they are trying to sell or who the buyers are.
It's not an issue I had much interest in. I don't have much faith in its long term value. But I still think it's hard to argue that it was a failure of they sold even half of the mintage.
Did the FH privy hurt them?
Did the Omega gold cents hurt them?
I think it's important to separate our feelings from the assessment. They are all gimmicks. The gimmicks work. Hard to call it a failure even if we don't like it.
Agreed if its a one - off gimmick. To the extent that this is a new business model, its a failure of launch.
It reminds me of bust-out fraud in cc. But I dont think this was their hill to die on.
@engmtic said:
They simply overpriced the premium. At most, it should have been comparable to current V75 privy pricing, since that is probably the best benchmark.
That said, I genuinely hate this new U.S. Mint policy of moving into the flipper space. Part of that is selfish, of course if the Mint captures the resale premium itself, there is less opportunity for collectors and resellers to do so. I am not going to deny that.
But the more fundamental problem is that it dilutes the brand. There is a certain purity when a company produces a product, earns a fair profit, and then allows a secondary market to develop naturally if demand exceeds supply. When the original issuer deliberately creates the scarcity and then directly capitalizes on that same scarcity, the entire process starts to feel artificial and tainted. Imagine the NYK charging 50k a seat for the NBA Finals tickets, or Taylor Swift initially charging 5k a ticket? People would take to the streets. And somehow the US Gov't. is doing this???
I am not looking back at the old system through rose-colored glasses, but this new approach genuinely feels like a new low.
Its all subjective, but but I think the V75 AGE is a far more desirable and valuable coin.
Its the key to a very popular series, awesome looking, historically meaningful (as is the Bell). In addition, in something that we will never see again, everyone had a shot at it at issue price. Obviously it was a matter of luck getting it in the end, but at least everyone had a shot.
First impressions of the 1/2 oz Liberty Bell Gold Coin: Great coin, subpar packaging!
Finally decided to open up my 1/2 oz Freedom Ringing Gold Liberty Bell.
At a cost of over $10,000, I honestly expected a much higher standard of packaging. I have received nicer-looking amenity kits on commercial flights! The outside of the box was covered in loose gold flakes—presumably from the ink used for printing.
Inside, the included letter was disappointingly unsigned by Mint Director Paul Hollis. The package did include a nice pamphlet covering the history of the Liberty Bell, the coin’s production, specifications, and a Certificate of Authenticity (COA). It also notes to "Check the Time at Independence Hall on the reverse of the coin for a special 250 surprise!"
My biggest concern is that the coin itself was not secure. It was literally sliding around loose inside its plastic capsule—which is completely unacceptable for a $10,000 numismatic piece.
As for the "250 surprise" on the clock: the hands seem to indicate 2:50. Given the fireworks in the background, I assume it is 2:50 AM. However, the execution falls short. The hour hand looks slightly broken; mathematically, if the time is 2:50, that hand should be positioned much closer to the 3 o'clock mark than it is.
Edited to add - Pics were taking with phone camera - I know these are probably not the quality pics most want...
Anyone else notice these packaging and design flaws on theirs?
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them.
Wow!
I’ve used PURE successfully both in buying and selling gold. You can set your ASK and know that the transaction will go smoothly once you have a buyer. Very low commission too. They offer secure shipping which is always a concern of mine.
Wow. Per the photos just above - for ten thousand dollars you get a little cardboard box and a plastic disc that's way too big for the "coin". Does it slide around in the holder? It just beggars belief.
@ms71 said:
Wow. Per the photos just above - for ten thousand dollars you get a little cardboard box and a plastic disc that's way too big for the "coin". Does it slide around in the holder? It just beggars belief.
Yes, it does slide around in the oversized holder. I'm guessing there aren't going to be too many MS70s in the 1/2 oz Gold.
I'm curious to see some pictures of the 1 oz Gold and the 1/2 oz Silver, along with the holders they came in.
Would it have been too much to ask for a custom holder?
They went above and beyond with the coin itself, then apparently handed the packaging assignment to the guy who refills the gumball machine at the local supermarket. That oversized plastic bubble looks like it it should have came with a fake diamond ring and a temporary tattoo.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
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@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Doesn’t really matter what time zone you live in. They all get released at the same time and the limit is lifted much later.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
I agree, why would he lie? It would be a breeze for him to help me out here, no?
His claim could easily be backed up with a screenshot of his order(s), since he's proficient with cropping and posting pics on this site.
I'm almost in agreement w/NJ, lol.
He's known to joke around sometimes, but about this?......
I hope it's true, but......
Maybe. But he doesn't owe it to us. And it's an odd joke, incongruous with his long history on the forum. I see no reason not to extend him some grace... until proven otherwise.
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@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Geez. You will never concede anything, will you? No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
And, yeah, I find a lots of his posts pointless. But this one did get a rise out of @Rc5280, didn't it?
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Doesn’t really matter what time zone you live in. They all get released at the same time and the limit is lifted much later.
True, but I didn't know if any are released later. It's rare but not unheard of. He also didn't say he bought them directly from the Mint.
But he's not sime random troll who popped in to get a reaction. I still prefer to offer him grace, until it's proven to be misplaced.
(And it's not like he and I are friends.)
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@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Geez. You will never concede anything, will you? No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
And, yeah, I find a lots of his posts pointless. But this one did get a rise out of @Rc5280, didn't it?
Read my post after yours.
I've acknowledged that it could be a joke. But I would rather be someone who doesn't jump to accusations, as I've already said.
I don't know what the truth is here. I've said as much. But it needs to be demonstrated to me that he's lying, not the other way around. And I don't think that is a character flaw on my part.
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@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Doesn’t really matter what time zone you live in. They all get released at the same time and the limit is lifted much later.
True, but I didn't know if any are released later. It's rare but not unheard of. He also didn't say he bought them directly from the Mint.
But he's not sime random troll who popped in to get a reaction. I still prefer to offer him grace, until it's proven to be misplaced.
Fine. But, again, gullible.
Things are sometimes released after 7:30 a.m., but I don't think I have ever seen anything released more than once in a single day. Have you? Come to think of it, maybe one of the ASE privies where they didn't release the entire mintage at noon, and then released some later in the day. But never anything where the entire release sold out, and then stragglers went up more than once on a subsequent day.
In any event, if there was a second release today, there would have been multiple posts about it. Not a single post from @MsMorrisine announcing nonchalantly that he picked up 9, and needs advice on where to unload them.
Admit it, you somehow got played by something that was so obvious that it really wasn't worth a reaction until @Rc5280 gave it one.
Not sure why this now warrants a full blown discussion, or why you are so sensitive about falling for it, but I thought my "🤣🤣🤣" said it all.
No one got 9 today. And anyone who got 9 yesterday with a bot likely accounted for the few that found their way to the website this morning.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Prove it, please.
Why would he lie?
Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
Geez. You will never concede anything, will you? No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
And, yeah, I find a lots of his posts pointless. But this one did get a rise out of @Rc5280, didn't it?
Read my post after yours.
I've acknowledged that it could be a joke. But I would rather be someone who doesn't jump to accusations, as I've already said.
I don't know what the truth is here. I've said as much. But it needs to be demonstrated to me that he's lying, not the other way around. And I don't think that is a character flaw on my part.
Yes, again, 99% agreement with you. I thought it was so innocuous that it didn't warrant more than the "🤣🤣🤣" I gave it.
Clearly not worth getting upset over, or reacting the way @Rc5280 did, because there is absolutely no way in the world that it could possibly be true. Or that @MsMorrisine would actually need disposition advice if it was.
I don't consider it "lying," because it is so obviously untrue. As I said, teasing, to get a reaction. Mission accomplished. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone, because it is ridiculous on its face.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
Agree with 1st sentence above even at 12:01 today, only 1. Second sentence untrue, and I am 100% certain because I was able to cart 1 at 12:01. The HHL wasn't lifted at that time and it only allowed 1. Sad to say that upon hitting checkout & checking the "I agree" box, no dice. Already gone! Not that any of this really matters.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
Agree with 1st sentence above even at 12:01 today, only 1. Second sentence untrue, and I am 100% certain because I was able to cart 1 at 12:01. The HHL wasn't lifted at that time and it only allowed 1. Sad to say that upon hitting checkout & checking the "I agree" box, no dice. Already gone! Not that any of this really matters.
Silver? Today? I thought they went Unavailable at 7:30:02 a.m. this morning, and never came back. You can't cart anything that isn't already in the cart if Add to Bag isn't live.
@MsMorrisine said:
managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
Agree with 1st sentence above even at 12:01 today, only 1. Second sentence untrue, and I am 100% certain because I was able to cart 1 at 12:01. The HHL wasn't lifted at that time and it only allowed 1. Sad to say that upon hitting checkout & checking the "I agree" box, no dice. Already gone! Not that any of this really matters.
Silver? Today? I thought they went Unavailable at 7:30:02 a.m. this morning, and never came back. You can't cart anything that isn't already in the cart if Add to Bag isn't live.
Now we're accusing someone else...???
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@ms71 said:
Wow. Per the photos just above - for ten thousand dollars you get a little cardboard box and a plastic disc that's way too big for the "coin". Does it slide around in the holder? It just beggars belief.
Yes, it does slide around in the oversized holder. I'm guessing there aren't going to be too many MS70s in the 1/2 oz Gold.
I'm curious to see some pictures of the 1 oz Gold and the 1/2 oz Silver, along with the holders they came in.
Would it have been too much to ask for a custom holder?
They went above and beyond with the coin itself, then apparently handed the packaging assignment to the guy who refills the gumball machine at the local supermarket. That oversized plastic bubble looks like it it should have came with a fake diamond ring and a temporary tattoo.
Thanks for your post & pics. That was super fast shipping!
These Bells clearly have a raised rim edge, let's hope that the inner-devices are lower than the edge, given the cheap manner in which they "encapsulated" these.
Can you tell if the rim is taller than the rest of the 'coin'? Thx
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ATS on the one oz?
My half oz gold delivered this morning.
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This is precisely what I've been saying all along. If the Mint wants to be PAMP, pretty soon it will be. And most of us will just move on to other things to collect, while the Mint sells limited edition silver trinkets for $6,000 per ounce.
Except the 1/2 oz gold is now sold out and the 1 oz is getting close. So, it's still something of a "fail" for those who said they wouldn't sell out.
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That's great. Luv to know what it actually looks like in hand?
434 on the 1 oz. -- it's been slow since that initial grab of 100
it went from 556 at noon, and when HHL removed dropped to 454 -- that was about 12:08pm EDT
TBD. Let's see what comes back in the next few days. We've seen dealers take shots with gold before, and then return them when things don't work out.
I honestly don't think I'm wrong on this one. Silver is implying a roughly $3K dealer premium for Liberty Bells with 2,026 mintage limits and no intrinsic value.
Does that translate to a greater than $8K premium with $2K of intrinsic value, and $16K with $4K of intrinsic value? It didn't yesterday, which is why the bids disappeared and hundreds went back to the Mint.
If Magic Mike is going to throw the one ounce gold on TV at $25-30K and think that audience is going to bite, I wish him luck. Either way, there is no value and no flip for those of us who don't have TV airtime and a talented huckster to hawk these for us.
I don't think it's a fail, and question whether the sell out will hold past the return period. Stay tuned. Maybe it will. I'm just not there yet.
To be fair, we all should have known something would end up out of line when they were offering 3 different things, at 3 very different price points, and the exact same hyper low mintage. They never tried that before.
Silver is clearly below market, although I still don't understand it. And, I still think the jury is out, because the bids seem to be mostly dealer bids. I get they are the experts and I am not, and I still don't get people willing to pay what dealers will be asking for them once they are slabbed.
As for the gold, TBD. Dealers weren't interested yesterday. Today they are. Maybe based on how silver is doing. Will still be interesting to see whether the gold can hold.
While everyone is mesmerized by 2,026, people are also forgetting that these are really 3 of the same thing. So it's 6,078 Liberty Bells. Not 2,026.
And 4,052 of them are even more VERY expensive than the others. I could also see people ignoring these when the Big Boys start pushing them. But I've been wrong so far, especially about the silver, so I'm not cashing out my 401(k) to bet on anything now.
Dealers weren't interested in paying a premium yesterday. They might be okay with buying them from the Mint.
I'm not a believer in pretty much anything the Mint makes in the long run. And, as I've been saying, I could envision both bull and bear scenarios here which is why I've made no call on the gold. I expected the silver to sell out, but the $5000 prices don't seem sustainable to me, but I've been wrong before.
But it is hard to call these a failure for the Mint. At this point, they've sold 5600 out of 6000 coins, despite the huge premium.
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Beating a dead horse here, but one last clarification on canceling orders that I found helpful yesterday. This is based on my own experience with a rep and also reported elsewhere by another buyer.
While order status simply shows "Processing'" on the customer side, the rep's side shows an order status as "Processing Pending" or "Processing". If an order is still pending, it can be canceled. If the status is just plain "Processing," it has moved into fulfillment and can't be canceled.
In other words, there are at least two kinds of Processing, and the Pending kind can be canceled.
418 left. Slow drip of the 1 oz gold.
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You are going to see a bunch of the 1/2 oz come back into inventory over the next few days/weeks because a lot of the people who bought them for buying groups did not cancel in time, and they shipped. It will be interesting to see what they do about the silvers, which effectively ended up nearly 100% in the hands of bot users.
The mint fucked this up in one obvious way IMO:
They should have made this a three coin set in an upscale, official display box. Take the premiums down slightly, still make a killing, and create an upscale centerpiece for people who want to display their "patriotism" and wealth.
ATS=405
its short term success if success is measured by sellout. However, it's a damaging product to them long term. Silver will always retain a premium, Id guess it settles in the 1800-2500 range, but gold will most definitely plummet long term. Its impossible for me to believe they will have 2x demand than the 75 privy which i believe are at 10k
Most collectors at a minimum entertain selling their purchase at some point. Even if they dont, they definetly want the market to be there in case they do. When they see the 1 ounce going for 5-10k below what they paid...........thats a very unhappy customer. US Mint is based on repeat customers.. hence my assertion that this was a big miss for the mint.
Bid for silver Bell went up
Assumes facts not in evidence.
Almost everything the Mint makes drops in value. Has that hurt them? Maybe. There are fewer buyers of proof eagles and annual sets. But that could be demographic changes as well.
If you buy a $20k gold coin that ends up being a $10k gold coin, you probably won't buy another. But we also don't know that there will ever be another that they are trying to sell or who the buyers are.
It's not an issue I had much interest in. I don't have much faith in its long term value. But I still think it's hard to argue that it was a failure of they sold even half of the mintage.
Did the FH privy hurt them?
Did the Omega gold cents hurt them?
I think it's important to separate our feelings from the assessment. They are all gimmicks. The gimmicks work. Hard to call it a failure even if we don't like it.
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Who even are these people and does anyone even care about this info?
I got a 1/2 Gold one delivered today... Debating if I should open it.
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If the 1 oz continues to sit unsold - with 385 pieces still available; it does not bode well for the secondary.
The issue becomes IF the full 2,026 were produced and are in inventory (assume YES) then we dont know down the line if the USM will go with a fire sale as they have in the past for their select big boys.
Agreed if its a one - off gimmick. To the extent that this is a new business model, its a failure of launch.
It reminds me of bust-out fraud in cc. But I dont think this was their hill to die on.
Omega was an auction not fixed price.
Its all subjective, but but I think the V75 AGE is a far more desirable and valuable coin.
Its the key to a very popular series, awesome looking, historically meaningful (as is the Bell). In addition, in something that we will never see again, everyone had a shot at it at issue price. Obviously it was a matter of luck getting it in the end, but at least everyone had a shot.
First impressions of the 1/2 oz Liberty Bell Gold Coin: Great coin, subpar packaging!
Finally decided to open up my 1/2 oz Freedom Ringing Gold Liberty Bell.
At a cost of over $10,000, I honestly expected a much higher standard of packaging. I have received nicer-looking amenity kits on commercial flights! The outside of the box was covered in loose gold flakes—presumably from the ink used for printing.
Inside, the included letter was disappointingly unsigned by Mint Director Paul Hollis. The package did include a nice pamphlet covering the history of the Liberty Bell, the coin’s production, specifications, and a Certificate of Authenticity (COA). It also notes to "Check the Time at Independence Hall on the reverse of the coin for a special 250 surprise!"
My biggest concern is that the coin itself was not secure. It was literally sliding around loose inside its plastic capsule—which is completely unacceptable for a $10,000 numismatic piece.
As for the "250 surprise" on the clock: the hands seem to indicate 2:50. Given the fireworks in the background, I assume it is 2:50 AM. However, the execution falls short. The hour hand looks slightly broken; mathematically, if the time is 2:50, that hand should be positioned much closer to the 3 o'clock mark than it is.
Edited to add - Pics were taking with phone camera - I know these are probably not the quality pics most want...
Anyone else notice these packaging and design flaws on theirs?
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I also paid for overnight delivery and mine still shows "processing" 😕
That is kinda silly to not have a custom holder for that "coin" for what it cost.
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managed to score 9 silver this morning. not sure the best place to sell them
Wow!
I’ve used PURE successfully both in buying and selling gold. You can set your ASK and know that the transaction will go smoothly once you have a buyer. Very low commission too. They offer secure shipping which is always a concern of mine.
Good on ya!!!
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me. . . . . . .
Wow. Per the photos just above - for ten thousand dollars you get a little cardboard box and a plastic disc that's way too big for the "coin". Does it slide around in the holder? It just beggars belief.
Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you sumthin' . . . . that ain't an optical illusion, it only looks like an optical illusion.
My mind reader refuses to charge me. . . . . . .
What bot version are you using?
🤣🤣🤣
Prove it, please.
Yes, it does slide around in the oversized holder. I'm guessing there aren't going to be too many MS70s in the 1/2 oz Gold.
I'm curious to see some pictures of the 1 oz Gold and the 1/2 oz Silver, along with the holders they came in.
Would it have been too much to ask for a custom holder?
They went above and beyond with the coin itself, then apparently handed the packaging assignment to the guy who refills the gumball machine at the local supermarket. That oversized plastic bubble looks like it it should have came with a fake diamond ring and a temporary tattoo.
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.> @Rc5280 said:
Why would he lie?
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Because he just throws posts up for a reaction. If he really got any, let alone 9, he'd know what to do with them without asking. Not to mention, no one could have possibly gotten more than one this morning in the 3 seconds they were available and the HHL was still in place.
I know you believe in the power of absolutely anything being possible, but when did you become so gullible?
Depending on his time zone, "morning" could have been after the HHL was lifted.
I don't think it's gullible to believe him until I have reason not to. It is possible that he's having us on. But it's a rather pointless joke, if it is.
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I’ll pick a graded silver medal in a few years for a couple hundred at most. The packaging is problematic for high grades.
You can try. It may happen. But I wouldn't count on it.
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I agree, why would he lie? It would be a breeze for him to help me out here, no?
His claim could easily be backed up with a screenshot of his order(s), since he's proficient with cropping and posting pics on this site.
I'm almost in agreement w/NJ, lol.
He's known to joke around sometimes, but about this?......
I hope it's true, but......
Doesn’t really matter what time zone you live in. They all get released at the same time and the limit is lifted much later.
Maybe. But he doesn't owe it to us. And it's an odd joke, incongruous with his long history on the forum. I see no reason not to extend him some grace... until proven otherwise.
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Geez. You will never concede anything, will you? No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
And, yeah, I find a lots of his posts pointless. But this one did get a rise out of @Rc5280, didn't it?
True, but I didn't know if any are released later. It's rare but not unheard of. He also didn't say he bought them directly from the Mint.
But he's not sime random troll who popped in to get a reaction. I still prefer to offer him grace, until it's proven to be misplaced.
(And it's not like he and I are friends.)
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Read my post after yours.
I've acknowledged that it could be a joke. But I would rather be someone who doesn't jump to accusations, as I've already said.
I don't know what the truth is here. I've said as much. But it needs to be demonstrated to me that he's lying, not the other way around. And I don't think that is a character flaw on my part.
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Fine. But, again, gullible.
Things are sometimes released after 7:30 a.m., but I don't think I have ever seen anything released more than once in a single day. Have you? Come to think of it, maybe one of the ASE privies where they didn't release the entire mintage at noon, and then released some later in the day. But never anything where the entire release sold out, and then stragglers went up more than once on a subsequent day.
In any event, if there was a second release today, there would have been multiple posts about it. Not a single post from @MsMorrisine announcing nonchalantly that he picked up 9, and needs advice on where to unload them.
Admit it, you somehow got played by something that was so obvious that it really wasn't worth a reaction until @Rc5280 gave it one.
Not sure why this now warrants a full blown discussion, or why you are so sensitive about falling for it, but I thought my "🤣🤣🤣" said it all.
No one got 9 today. And anyone who got 9 yesterday with a bot likely accounted for the few that found their way to the website this morning.
It's a free country ! Happy 250th !
Yes, again, 99% agreement with you. I thought it was so innocuous that it didn't warrant more than the "🤣🤣🤣" I gave it.
Clearly not worth getting upset over, or reacting the way @Rc5280 did, because there is absolutely no way in the world that it could possibly be true. Or that @MsMorrisine would actually need disposition advice if it was.
I don't consider it "lying," because it is so obviously untrue. As I said, teasing, to get a reaction. Mission accomplished. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone, because it is ridiculous on its face.
No matter where in the world any of us are, on the day after release, when something sells out, and a HHL is in place, you can only buy one until noon Eastern time. At 12:01 EDT today, there were no silvers available for purchase, so no one could have bought any, no matter time it was wherever they happened to be in the universe.
Agree with 1st sentence above even at 12:01 today, only 1. Second sentence untrue, and I am 100% certain because I was able to cart 1 at 12:01. The HHL wasn't lifted at that time and it only allowed 1. Sad to say that upon hitting checkout & checking the "I agree" box, no dice. Already gone! Not that any of this really matters.
Silver? Today? I thought they went Unavailable at 7:30:02 a.m. this morning, and never came back. You can't cart anything that isn't already in the cart if Add to Bag isn't live.
Now we're accusing someone else...???
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Thanks for your post & pics. That was super fast shipping!
These Bells clearly have a raised rim edge, let's hope that the inner-devices are lower than the edge, given the cheap manner in which they "encapsulated" these.
Can you tell if the rim is taller than the rest of the 'coin'? Thx
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