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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinPhysicist said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Personally I don’t think eBay sales showing $2k profits on either of the golds are indicative of what people are actually going to sell them for on eBay.

    Not to mention eBay takes 10% and there is the age old advice, don’t sell anything on eBay you wouldn’t give away for free. One dubious buyer and your profits for the next year are wiped out when this transaction goes south.

    I would not sell a $10k item on eBay when the buyer can screw you so many ways.

    Sigh...I don't even know where to start correcting this.

    My fees on a $10,000 gold coin listed under bullion are $438 (4.38%).

    There are ebay seller protections that don't even exist for returns to the Mint. That "age old advice" is nonsense. You could just as easily say you should never buy a coin with money you wouldn't want to burn because of the non-zero risk of total loss.

    You think you could win a fight on eBay against a buyer who is trying to fleece you for 10 grand?

    1. Yes. eBay seller protection is real.
    2. In 29 years and over 100,000 transactions, it's never happened.

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    DCWDCW Posts: 7,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The gold should have been a 3oz medal for this price. A big chunk of gold at 2k mintage would've been more enticing

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

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    @pragmaticgoat said:
    gold is available this morning, silver gone super fast

    Was there any silver or did they just re-release the cancelled gold orders?

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    pragmaticgoatpragmaticgoat Posts: 958 ✭✭✭

    the silver was available for about 5 seconds and I still couldn't get one even though it was in my cart from yesterday

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:

    Always know your market.
    You have NO RISK in the short term up until delivery. Then you have 7 days return.
    Even with an ebay store and reduced fees, making even 2-3k on a 10k investment is 20-30% short term.
    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    Absolute nonsense. 700+ 1 oz gold available and 600+ 1/2 oz gold = all the canceled orders from yesterday

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

    100% wrong.

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    DotStoreDotStore Posts: 815 ✭✭✭✭

    @driveswith said:

    @pragmaticgoat said:
    gold is available this morning, silver gone super fast

    Was there any silver or did they just re-release the cancelled gold orders?

    I saw Silver available, but my screen froze when trying to add to my cart. Then it showed no more available. I was able to order 1 Unc Mint Set, then I was kicked out into a waiting room. As I'm typing, I just received the email than my order for the Unc Mint set was confirmed.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Backorder you can cancel. Not while in Processing stage.> @IAK said:

    @coiner said:
    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

    100% wrong.

    Absolutely right.. You do not know what you are talking about.

    You CANT cancel an order in PROCESSING STAGE.

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

    Yes. I canceled the gold dime I bought during the processing stage due to my buyer backing out of our deal.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BACKORDER status can be cancelled. Orders PROCESSING cannot.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    Backorder you can cancel. Not while in Processing stage.> @IAK said:

    @coiner said:
    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

    100% wrong.

    Absolutely right.. You do not know what you are talking about.

    You CANT cancel an order in PROCESSING STAGE.

    I did it twice yesterday and dozens of times in the last year. Please stop spreading absolute nonsense.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I call BS.

    I also called before on orders in PROCESSING stage and they are NOT able to be cancelled.

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    jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There’s always a chance you got ahold of a mint employee that didn’t know how to do their job. That happens a lot with federal employees unfortunately.

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    CoinPhysicistCoinPhysicist Posts: 627 ✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Personally I don’t think eBay sales showing $2k profits on either of the golds are indicative of what people are actually going to sell them for on eBay.

    Not to mention eBay takes 10% and there is the age old advice, don’t sell anything on eBay you wouldn’t give away for free. One dubious buyer and your profits for the next year are wiped out when this transaction goes south.

    I would not sell a $10k item on eBay when the buyer can screw you so many ways.

    Sigh...I don't even know where to start correcting this.

    My fees on a $10,000 gold coin listed under bullion are $438 (4.38%).

    There are ebay seller protections that don't even exist for returns to the Mint. That "age old advice" is nonsense. You could just as easily say you should never buy a coin with money you wouldn't want to burn because of the non-zero risk of total loss.

    You think you could win a fight on eBay against a buyer who is trying to fleece you for 10 grand?

    1. Yes. eBay seller protection is real.
    2. In 29 years and over 100,000 transactions, it's never happened.

    You have more experience here than me so I’ll defer to you then. But all the stories I’ve heard are that sellers are the ones who get screwed on eBay. Don’t hear many stories of buyers getting shafted. Still, I wouldn’t sell a $10k item on eBay. Glad it works for you though.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    I call BS.

    I also called before on orders in PROCESSING stage and they are NOT able to be cancelled.

    you can call whatever you want but you are dead wrong.

    The only time you can't cancel an order in processing stage is if it has already moved to preparing for shipping in their backend but still shows processing for you. That is a very small fraction of cases and mainly applies to overnight shipping selection.

    You think that 700+ 10z gold and 600+ 1/2 oz gold were available this morning because people can't cancel orders in processing stage? Just ludicrous

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    1776Coins1776Coins Posts: 50 ✭✭

    Things are going to cool in price over the next few years. for now, we have FOMO. But flippers will get stuck with something few want to own despite low mintage. Average owners will need money and won't find buyers at inflated prices. Would it be fun to own. Maybe a little. But the cost vs value is too large of a spread. But if you got it, enjoy it!

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    I call BS.

    I also called before on orders in PROCESSING stage and they are NOT able to be cancelled.

    I canceled one processing this year. How many of us need to testify. As long as it has not gone to fulfillment (processing has many stages) they will cancel.

    And, NO, or was not on backorder. I actually had 2 ordered, canceled one while processing and the second one shipped 36 hours later.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IAK said:

    @coiner said:

    Always know your market.
    You have NO RISK in the short term up until delivery. Then you have 7 days return.
    Even with an ebay store and reduced fees, making even 2-3k on a 10k investment is 20-30% short term.
    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    Absolute nonsense. 700+ 1 oz gold available and 600+ 1/2 oz gold = all the canceled orders from yesterday

    Agree. Although they could be canceled by either party.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IAK said:

    @coiner said:
    I call BS.

    I also called before on orders in PROCESSING stage and they are NOT able to be cancelled.

    you can call whatever you want but you are dead wrong.

    The only time you can't cancel an order in processing stage is if it has already moved to preparing for shipping in their backend but still shows processing for you. That is a very small fraction of cases and mainly applies to overnight shipping selection.

    You think that 700+ 10z gold and 600+ 1/2 oz gold were available this morning because people can't cancel orders in processing stage? Just ludicrous

    Again you are wrong.

    I have called a few times in the past few months on orders that are not overnight ship options but have gone into processing status - as do most orders in the time immediately after to several days after ordering.

    The USM uses a third party to ship their items - customer service indicates they dont know in what stage the shipper is in (pick/pack, etc) so therefore they cannot cancel the oprder in processing stage - you must wait for shipment and return items after receipt.

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    @CoinPhysicist said:
    No one knows what “sales” on eBay are actually real and what aren’t.

    Even if you take eBay for face value and assume they are all real, I personally don’t think eBay sales showing $2k profits on either of the golds are indicative of what most people are actually going to sell them for on eBay.

    Not to mention eBay takes 10% and there is the age old advice, don’t sell anything on eBay you wouldn’t give away for free. One dubious buyer and your profits for the next year are wiped out when this transaction goes south.

    I would not sell a $10k item on eBay when the buyer can screw you so many ways.

    https://www.ebay.com/sh/research?marketplace=EBAY-US&tabName=SOLD

    eBay’s research tool shows listings that have been paid and shows you the best offer price that was actually accepted. Fees aren’t 10% on an item like this, as has already been pointed out.

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    engmticengmtic Posts: 134 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    Try it lately? The USM will not cancel orders that are in Processing stage.

    i cancelled half ounce and ounce and so did a few friends of mine yesterday

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinPhysicist said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Personally I don’t think eBay sales showing $2k profits on either of the golds are indicative of what people are actually going to sell them for on eBay.

    Not to mention eBay takes 10% and there is the age old advice, don’t sell anything on eBay you wouldn’t give away for free. One dubious buyer and your profits for the next year are wiped out when this transaction goes south.

    I would not sell a $10k item on eBay when the buyer can screw you so many ways.

    Sigh...I don't even know where to start correcting this.

    My fees on a $10,000 gold coin listed under bullion are $438 (4.38%).

    There are ebay seller protections that don't even exist for returns to the Mint. That "age old advice" is nonsense. You could just as easily say you should never buy a coin with money you wouldn't want to burn because of the non-zero risk of total loss.

    You think you could win a fight on eBay against a buyer who is trying to fleece you for 10 grand?

    1. Yes. eBay seller protection is real.
    2. In 29 years and over 100,000 transactions, it's never happened.

    You have more experience here than me so I’ll defer to you then. But all the stories I’ve heard are that sellers are the ones who get screwed on eBay. Don’t hear many stories of buyers getting shafted. Still, I wouldn’t sell a $10k item on eBay. Glad it works for you though.

    I'm not saying is zero risk. But it's risky to send it through the mail and people get shafted on insurance in the mail. EBay has an extra layer of protection, but things can go wrong. The problem is that only the people who had problems scream.

    Look at the @mach19 thread that got deleted, if you saw it. He was screaming about getting shafted as the buyer on ebay. But he lost $0. He wasn't praising eBay protections that worked, he was just mad that he had a problem at all.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UncleAbe said:

    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    Did NJ hack you?

    Post of the Day!!!

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:

    Again you are wrong.

    I have called a few times in the past few months on orders that are not overnight ship options but have gone into processing status - as do most orders in the time immediately after to several days after ordering.

    The USM uses a third party to ship their items - customer service indicates they dont know in what stage the shipper is in (pick/pack, etc) so therefore they cannot cancel the oprder in processing stage - you must wait for shipment and return items after receipt.

    What is it with this forum and people spouting absolute idiotic nonsense even when people time and time again call them out? Here you go, just for you from this morning with a divider ordered with next day shipping:


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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know my experiences with the USM over many many years - and their policies.
    Now if you called up with tears in your eyes and a crackling voice and a customer service agent felt sorry for you maybe they went thru some extra steps to handle your cancel/return.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    I know my experiences with the USM over many many years - and their policies.
    Now if you called up with tears in your eyes and a crackling voice and a customer service agent felt sorry for you maybe they went thru some extra steps to handle your cancel/return.

    Yes yes, the 500+ people who's buying groups told them to cancel yesterday and did also jumped through a bunch of hoops and got lucky with a sympathetic rep. You and NJCoin are the same person I take it given your continual denial of reality?

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can assure you im not NJ Coin - can you assure me you arent a newbie who is flipping toys and cards and had a total of 2 experiences cancelling orders with the USM?

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 6:11AM

    @coiner said:

    @IAK said:

    @coiner said:
    I call BS.

    I also called before on orders in PROCESSING stage and they are NOT able to be cancelled.

    you can call whatever you want but you are dead wrong.

    The only time you can't cancel an order in processing stage is if it has already moved to preparing for shipping in their backend but still shows processing for you. That is a very small fraction of cases and mainly applies to overnight shipping selection.

    You think that 700+ 10z gold and 600+ 1/2 oz gold were available this morning because people can't cancel orders in processing stage? Just ludicrous

    Again you are wrong.

    I have called a few times in the past few months on orders that are not overnight ship options but have gone into processing status - as do most orders in the time immediately after to several days after ordering.

    The USM uses a third party to ship their items - customer service indicates they dont know in what stage the shipper is in (pick/pack, etc) so therefore they cannot cancel the oprder in processing stage - you must wait for shipment and return items after receipt.

    Processing doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the hands of the shipper. 2 of us have already agreed that they won't cancel it if it's in the fulfillment stage. But processing is not synonymous with fulfillment.

    It really isn't a good look for you to deny all the evidence, including someone who posted a cancelation of this very item.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No denial because your daydreams arent reality.
    I know what i encountered several times with the USM.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    No denial because your daydreams arent reality.
    I know what i encountered several times with the USM.

    Extrapolating your personal experience "several" times as the absolute truth in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary is absolutely diabolical. You are making a fool of yourself with this, drop it. And a courtesy reminder for you - post count in a coin forum is not indicative of being a "noob".

    I can assure you that I've bought at least 1,000x more $ volume at the mint than you over the years.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    No denial because your daydreams arent reality.
    I know what i encountered several times with the USM.

    Wow. And how do you explain the actual cancelations posted in this thread? Photoshop? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Processing doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the have of the shipper. 2 of us have already agreed that they won't cancel it if it's in the fulfillment stage. But processing is not synonymous with fulfillment.

    It really isn't a good look for you to deny all the evidence, including someone who posted a cancelation of this very item.

    If you were able to cancel, maybe you got a sympathetic customer service agent who jumped thru a few more hoops for you.

    Not my experience.

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    taxmadtaxmad Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭✭

    @IAK said:

    @coiner said:

    Again you are wrong.

    I have called a few times in the past few months on orders that are not overnight ship options but have gone into processing status - as do most orders in the time immediately after to several days after ordering.

    The USM uses a third party to ship their items - customer service indicates they dont know in what stage the shipper is in (pick/pack, etc) so therefore they cannot cancel the oprder in processing stage - you must wait for shipment and return items after receipt.

    What is it with this forum and people spouting absolute idiotic nonsense even when people time and time again call them out? Here you go, just for you from this morning with a divider ordered with next day shipping:


    Why are the dollar amounts different?

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @taxmad said:

    @IAK said:

    @coiner said:

    Again you are wrong.

    I have called a few times in the past few months on orders that are not overnight ship options but have gone into processing status - as do most orders in the time immediately after to several days after ordering.

    The USM uses a third party to ship their items - customer service indicates they dont know in what stage the shipper is in (pick/pack, etc) so therefore they cannot cancel the oprder in processing stage - you must wait for shipment and return items after receipt.

    What is it with this forum and people spouting absolute idiotic nonsense even when people time and time again call them out? Here you go, just for you from this morning with a divider ordered with next day shipping:


    Why are the dollar amounts different?

    Because the shipping charge falls off a day or so after they cancel the product.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As I stated a few posts ago:

    If you were able to cancel, maybe you got a sympathetic customer service agent who jumped thru a few more hoops for you.

    Not my experience.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 5:36AM

    @coiner said:
    As I stated a few posts ago:

    If you were able to cancel, maybe you got a sympathetic customer service agent who jumped thru a few more hoops for you.

    Not my experience.

    I know there has been some discussion of this on the forum already, but as someone who is well under 50 - it is precisely this type of maniacal, dogmatic dedication to one's own delusions that turns a lot of younger people away from coin collecting .

    When some old guy is ranting about how he is right and everyone else is wrong about the intrinsic value of a coin issue (or in this case an obviously insane take on how the mint order process works), it helps play a role in making collecting quite unappealing.

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    coinercoiner Posts: 947 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I kept the convo to the topic. My experiences over many years. I suppose you dont have the track record of experiences or orders on 100's of products with the USM.
    Getting into the age thing gets you banned - good luck to you.

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    UncleAbeUncleAbe Posts: 42 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    I kept the convo to the topic. My experiences over many years. I suppose you dont have the track record of experiences or orders on 100's of products with the USM.
    Getting into the age thing gets you banned - good luck to you.

    Generally a fan of your opinions.

    And I've experienced the same thing as you many times, not being able to cancel.

    However I've also had them let me cancel, so clearly it is possible, if you get the rights phone representative, or the stars align or whatever.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:
    I kept the convo to the topic. My experiences over many years. I suppose you dont have the track record of experiences or orders on 100's of products with the USM.
    Getting into the age thing gets you banned - good luck to you.

    Your experiences from 20 years ago have absolutely no link to the reality of today. Hope that helps...

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    HoneyMarketHoneyMarket Posts: 969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    I guess it's YMMV.
    I've called and cancelled TWO seperate orders between last night and this morning that were in "Processing"

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @UncleAbe said:

    @coiner said:
    I kept the convo to the topic. My experiences over many years. I suppose you dont have the track record of experiences or orders on 100's of products with the USM.
    Getting into the age thing gets you banned - good luck to you.

    Generally a fan of your opinions.

    And I've experienced the same thing as you many times, not being able to cancel.

    However I've also had them let me cancel, so clearly it is possible, if you get the rights phone representative, or the stars align or whatever.

    It has nothing to do with the rep. They sit at a computer and their system tells them whether they can cancel an order or cannot. The only time you cannot cancel, again, is when the order has moved into preparing for shipping in their backend. When this is the case, the order still shows processing on the consumer-facing site but the rep's cancel button is disabled.

    Hundreds of people canceled orders in processing stages yesterday. Some could not, because some of the 1/2 oz gold coins had already moved into preparing for shipping stage on the backend. Those folks received shipped notifications late yesterday afternoon.

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    gyromacgyromac Posts: 262 ✭✭✭

    @coiner said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    Processing doesn't necessarily mean that it's in the have of the shipper. 2 of us have already agreed that they won't cancel it if it's in the fulfillment stage. But processing is not synonymous with fulfillment.

    It really isn't a good look for you to deny all the evidence, including someone who posted a cancelation of this very item.

    If you were able to cancel, maybe you got a sympathetic customer service agent who jumped thru a few more hoops for you.

    Not my experience.

    long time USM customer. 40+ yrs. never had an issue cancelling an order than still said processing. did it this morning no issue. whomever started this "you can't cancel an order that is PROCESSING" is just click baiting. you have to call the 1-800 number patiently wait and speak with a representative. Not some "nice one or sympathetic one".

    Have your order number ready all your information and ask to cancel the order.

    Be prepared for them and they will do their job. Don't understand why anyone would think differently.

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    IAKIAK Posts: 99 ✭✭✭

    @HoneyMarket said:

    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    I guess it's YMMV.
    I've called and cancelled TWO seperate orders between last night and this morning that were in "Processing"

    But this isn't possible because Coiner hasn't been able to do it. FAKE!

    Or maybe you wept on the phone and the rep felt sorry for you. LOL

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    UncleAbeUncleAbe Posts: 42 ✭✭✭
    edited July 17, 2026 6:06AM

    @IAK said:

    @HoneyMarket said:

    @coiner said:

    @CoinPhysicist said:
    Anyone know how many gold are available? Wonder how many people already cancelled.

    Cancellations can't happen while orders are processing. I doubt these are cancellations - most likely credit card issues with the initial sale or addtl inventory not released yesterday.

    I guess it's YMMV.
    I've called and cancelled TWO seperate orders between last night and this morning that were in "Processing"

    But this isn't possible because Coiner hasn't been able to do it. FAKE!

    Or maybe you wept on the phone and the rep felt sorry for you. LOL

    I'm still going with "NJ hacked him" 🙂

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