Rolling the dice on a dateless SLQ

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bru
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Just won the auction for this:

No reverse on the auction posting. Was part of a 10 piece lot of junk silver that I decided to zoom in on.

Diagnostics look good but we'll see in a week or so what actually arrives!

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  • Rampage
    Rampage Posts: 9,684 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @bru said:
    Just won the auction for this:

    No reverse on the auction posting. Was part of a 10 piece lot of junk silver that I decided to zoom in on.

    Diagnostics look good but we'll see in a week or so what actually arrives!

    Looks promising. Good luck.

  • OKCC
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    Looks like a winner (meaning 1916). Congratulations!

  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Posts: 1,922 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    :o

  • 291fifth
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    Is there a market for 1916 Standing Liberty quarters in that state of wear? If so, how much might they bring?

    It does look promising.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ChrisH821
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    Looks good from here. Good catch.

    Collector, occasional seller

  • bru
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    @291fifth said:
    Is there a market for 1916 Standing Liberty quarters in that state of wear? If so, how much might they bring?

    It does look promising.

    Even in PO1, 1916 over $1000. GS has it at 1400 wholesale.

  • mr1931S
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    The services might struggle calling this piece a 1916.I would need a 10x glass with coin in hand before having an opinion about 1916 or not.

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  • MarkKelley
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    @mr1931S said:
    I wonder if Nic-a-date would bring the date out on this worn out old lady.

    I've tried it... no dice.

  • IkesT
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    @jonathanb said:

    @mr1931S said:
    The services might struggle calling this piece a 1916.I would need a 10x glass with coin in hand before having an opinion about 1916 or not.

    A glass is useless for identifying this variety. The post above from @oih82w8 shows the right way to tell.

    mr1931S is useless for identifying this variety.

  • logger7
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    Chances are minimal but why not try? A guy at the local flea market claimed two of his Standing quarters were "1916" but weren't.

  • MFeld
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    @logger7 said:
    Chances are minimal but why not try? A guy at the local flea market claimed two of his Standing quarters were "1916" but weren't.

    Chances appear far greater than minimal that it’s a 1916. What was the basis for your comment?

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  • BuffaloIronTail
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    By Jove I think you've got it!

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  • BLUEJAYWAY
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    Nice score. Knowledge is power as the phrase goes, and in this case profit as well.

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  • coastaljerseyguy
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    Not my series, does the 1917 diagnostics above apply to both the Type I and II coins ?

  • TomB
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    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Not my series, does the 1917 diagnostics above apply to both the Type I and II coins ?

    I'm not certain what you are getting at with this question, but since the Type II has a different reverse with stars under the eagle then the obverse diagnostics aren't so important

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  • coastaljerseyguy
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    @TomB said:

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Not my series, does the 1917 diagnostics above apply to both the Type I and II coins ?

    I'm not certain what you are getting at with this question, but since the Type II has a different reverse with stars under the eagle then the obverse diagnostics aren't so important

    Wasn't sure if only the reverse was different with the Type I.

  • BStrauss3
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    @mr1931S said:
    I wonder if Nic-a-date would bring the date out on this worn out old lady.

    Nic A Date is a weak acid that removes some of the copper-nickel. It works because the area under the numbers is hardened (work hardening) more than the flat area during the strike.

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  • RedRocket
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    It is fun to read the various responses to this thread and then separate the wheat (collectors with integrity wishing success to the OP) from the chaff (jealous, small-minded members).

  • MsMorrisine
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    @coastaljerseyguy said:

    @TomB said:

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Not my series, does the 1917 diagnostics above apply to both the Type I and II coins ?

    I'm not certain what you are getting at with this question, but since the Type II has a different reverse with stars under the eagle then the obverse diagnostics aren't so important

    Wasn't sure if only the reverse was different with the Type I.

    ignoring the reverse, the bottom left curl on the gown at the floor is totally different between T1 and T2

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  • logger7
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    @IkesT said:

    @logger7 said:
    Chances are minimal

    Chances are minimal for what? He's already identified the 1916 die markers.

    but why not try?

    Try what? I hope you don't mean putting nic-a-date on a 1916 standing liberty quarter. No sane person would do that.

    Send it in to be graded. The question is which would be the most likely to make the courageous decision if it actually is a 1916? Maybe cacg is worth a shot?

  • bru
    bru Posts: 23 ✭✭✭
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    I will hopefully get the coin Saturday or Monday. I'll post better pics then!

  • davewesen
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    If you picked this up in a junk/damaged lot for melt congrats. Hopefully the reverse is not damaged or ex-jewelry.

  • MFeld
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    @logger7 said:

    @IkesT said:

    @logger7 said:
    Chances are minimal

    Chances are minimal for what? He's already identified the 1916 die markers.

    but why not try?

    Try what? I hope you don't mean putting nic-a-date on a 1916 standing liberty quarter. No sane person would do that.

    Send it in to be graded. The question is which would be the most likely to make the courageous decision if it actually is a 1916? Maybe cacg is worth a shot?

    There’s no need to be “courageous”, as it should be an easy call.

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  • DesertCoin
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    Nice grab! Looks like a 1916.

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  • rec78
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    @mr1931S said:
    I wonder if Nic-a-date would bring the date out on this worn out old lady.

    NO, nic-a-date only works on nickel.
    There was a silver nic-a-date at one time, but was taken off the market.

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  • logger7
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    @BStrauss3 said:

    The first and 3rd PO1 auctions have photos

    https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1916-25c-standing-liberty/5704/7562230888962978707

    https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/item/1916-25c-standing-liberty/5704/198761165675727853

    It looks like PCGS has certified 61 P01 1916 25c coins, at least at this level there are few crackouts. Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

  • Cougar1978
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    That is the most worn slick one have ever seen. Somebody will pay melt for that?

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  • IkesT
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    That is the most worn slick one have ever seen. Somebody will pay melt for that?

    Wow, did you even look at the comments immediately before yours? Might be a good idea...

  • PerryHall
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    @logger7 said:
    Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

    I would imagine that most collectors feel that a coin like this doesn't need a CAC sticker.

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  • jmlanzaf
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    @Cougar1978 said:
    That is the most worn slick one have ever seen. Somebody will pay melt for that?

    Somewhere in the world is the world's worst coin dealer... and someone is being taken by them today.

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  • jmlanzaf
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    @PerryHall said:

    @logger7 said:
    Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

    I would imagine that most collectors feel that a coin like this doesn't need a CAC sticker.

    I actually, I think it would benefit. This is not a coin that is simply a low ball. It is a key date.

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  • Aotearoa
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    Great thread. Didn’t know what I didn’t know about identifying 1916 SLQs.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • Old_Collector
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    @Aotearoa said:
    Great thread. Didn’t know what I didn’t know about identifying 1916 SLQs.

    It's particularly important to know how to recognize it without the date, which is quite fortunate, as the date was the highest point on the coin so took the most early wear. And with such a low mintage, it is rare to start. Here is a little picture that I keep to jog my old memory:

  • TennesseeDave
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    I'm almost positive that I can see the second strand of hair at the back of the head, but I have been wrong before and hope I am again, Good Luck.

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  • BStrauss3
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    @logger7 said:
    It looks like PCGS has certified 61 P01 1916 25c coins, at least at this level there are few crackouts. Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

    Question that's never been answered -- does lack of a CAC bean (assuming it's been submitted) mean it's WORSE than PO1 or BETTER (and thus a FR2)?????

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    @TennesseeDave said:
    I'm almost positive that I can see the second strand of hair at the back of the head, but I have been wrong before and hope I am again, Good Luck.

    Seeing as all the other die markers identify it as a 1916, the appearance of a second strand of hair is most definitely a result of the image's low quality.

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  • safari_dude
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    The reverse will be a big part of the mystery here and all but seal the deal as a 1916. Good luck!

  • jmlanzaf
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    @BStrauss3 said:

    @logger7 said:
    It looks like PCGS has certified 61 P01 1916 25c coins, at least at this level there are few crackouts. Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

    Question that's never been answered -- does lack of a CAC bean (assuming it's been submitted) mean it's WORSE than PO1 or BETTER (and thus a FR2)?????

    CAC bean always means high end for the grade.

    All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.

  • RedRocket
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    @BStrauss3 said:

    @logger7 said:

    Question that's never been answered -- does lack of a CAC bean (assuming it's been submitted) mean it's WORSE than PO1 or BETTER (and thus a FR2)?????

    This is a common misconception.
    A CAC sticker on a PO1 coin doesn't mean it has less wear (and is almost or is a FA2) but rather it is an attractive PO1. The wear can be significant and complete for the grade and if the overall appeal is positive CAC will award the sticker.

  • MFeld
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    @jmlanzaf said:

    @BStrauss3 said:

    @logger7 said:
    It looks like PCGS has certified 61 P01 1916 25c coins, at least at this level there are few crackouts. Then you could try to get the cac sticker which looks to be hard at only 11 approved.

    Question that's never been answered -- does lack of a CAC bean (assuming it's been submitted) mean it's WORSE than PO1 or BETTER (and thus a FR2)?????

    CAC bean always means high end for the grade.

    It most certainly doesn’t. It means solid for the grade or better - A quality or B quality, but not C quality.

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