@Bullsitter said:
I like the silver medal obverse.
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Agreed. One of the nicest of the 5
I think it and the medal paired with the 1804 silver dollar are the nicest looking designs but I'm really bothered by the foot of Liberty on this medal. It looks like a right foot and I think it should be a left foot. Try standing in Liberty's pose and have your right foot pointed in the direction it's pointing as depicted on the obverse. It's nigh impossible.
This should be quite obvious to the naked eye when they made the giant plaster cast of the design. I'm surprised that no one at the mint pointed out this problem.
@Walkerfan said:
2016 would have been the time to buy. Since you can’t have everything; I made the conscious financial decision to not buy one. I’m not interested, at these prices, nor am I interested in the silver medal.
In 2016 the price for a gold SLQ was $485.00. That was September, 2016. What a difference a decade makes.
True. Who knows where it’ll be in 10 years!
I agree. But, I doubt it will increase 1000% as it did in the last decade but one just doesn’t know for sure…Anything is possible. 😉
Never know! Who woukd have thought over 5K in Jan or a DOW of 52K just a short while ago.
Other than the 2 million people that have been calling for $5000 gold since 2000?
Do you think anyone will pay $10,000 for a wedding ring? At $50,000 per ounce, demand will collapse.
I'm part of the 348M people who have not been calling for $5K gold since 2000. Hats off to you geniuses!
50,000K per ounce? To me your post is incoherent. Perhaps if I were one of the 2M it would make sense to me.
If gold were to increase 1000% from here, which was the post that preceded the one I responded to, it would be at near $50,000 per ounce. Not very complicated if you read the whole thread.
Your needlessly obnoxious post quoted only my post. Therefore, I took it as a response to my post, not some other comment in the thread. Not very complicated.
If you quote someone's post, the assumption is that you're replying to that post specifically. Assuming that someone has to read an entire thread to understand the reply makes no sense. Not very complicated.
Actually, when you respond, it tags the whole chain. You were part of that entire discussion. You had directly responded to me. I don't know if you lost track of the thread or what, but you can see the whole sequence of posts. If you assemble them in order:
Walkerfan: I agree. But, I doubt it will increase 1000% as it did in the last decade but one just doesn’t know for sure…Anything is possible. 😉
YOU: Never know! Who woukd have thought over 5K in Jan or a DOW of 52K just a short while ago.
Me: Other than the 2 million people that have been calling for $5000 gold since 2000? Do you think anyone will pay $10,000 for a wedding ring? At $50,000 per ounce, demand will collapse.
YOU: I'm part of the 348M people who have not been calling for $5K gold since 2000. Hats off to you geniuses! 50,000K per ounce? To me your post is incoherent. Perhaps if I were one of the 2M it would make sense to me.
Me: If gold were to increase 1000% from here, which was the post that preceded the one I responded to, it would be at near $50,000 per ounce. Not very complicated if you read the whole thread.
My response was not intended to be obnoxious, just factual. You directly responded to the person who suggested a 1000% increase in the price of gold. Then I responded to you and the rest of the conversation was back and forth between the two of us. If you look at the whole thread, it's "not very complicated". You may have forgotten your earlier post, not a crime. I'm not sure why you would even think that's "obnoxious".
Now, your most recent post...I guess I could think you were trying to be obnoxious...but we both know you would never do that.
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@Walkerfan said:
2016 would have been the time to buy. Since you can’t have everything; I made the conscious financial decision to not buy one. I’m not interested, at these prices, nor am I interested in the silver medal.
In 2016 the price for a gold SLQ was $485.00. That was September, 2016. What a difference a decade makes.
True. Who knows where it’ll be in 10 years!
I agree. But, I doubt it will increase 1000% as it did in the last decade but one just doesn’t know for sure…Anything is possible. 😉
Never know! Who woukd have thought over 5K in Jan or a DOW of 52K just a short while ago.
Other than the 2 million people that have been calling for $5000 gold since 2000?
Do you think anyone will pay $10,000 for a wedding ring? At $50,000 per ounce, demand will collapse.
I'm part of the 348M people who have not been calling for $5K gold since 2000. Hats off to you geniuses!
50,000K per ounce? To me your post is incoherent. Perhaps if I were one of the 2M it would make sense to me.
If gold were to increase 1000% from here, which was the post that preceded the one I responded to, it would be at near $50,000 per ounce. Not very complicated if you read the whole thread.
Your needlessly obnoxious post quoted only my post. Therefore, I took it as a response to my post, not some other comment in the thread. Not very complicated.
If you quote someone's post, the assumption is that you're replying to that post specifically. Assuming that someone has to read an entire thread to understand the reply makes no sense. Not very complicated.
Actually, when you respond, it tags the whole chain. You were part of that entire discussion. You had directly responded to me. I don't know if you lost track of the thread or what, but you can see the whole sequence of posts. If you assemble them in order:
Walkerfan: I agree. But, I doubt it will increase 1000% as it did in the last decade but one just doesn’t know for sure…Anything is possible. 😉
YOU: Never know! Who woukd have thought over 5K in Jan or a DOW of 52K just a short while ago.
Me: Other than the 2 million people that have been calling for $5000 gold since 2000? Do you think anyone will pay $10,000 for a wedding ring? At $50,000 per ounce, demand will collapse.
YOU: I'm part of the 348M people who have not been calling for $5K gold since 2000. Hats off to you geniuses! 50,000K per ounce? To me your post is incoherent. Perhaps if I were one of the 2M it would make sense to me.
Me: If gold were to increase 1000% from here, which was the post that preceded the one I responded to, it would be at near $50,000 per ounce. Not very complicated if you read the whole thread.
My response was not intended to be obnoxious, just factual. You directly responded to the person who suggested a 1000% increase in the price of gold. Then I responded to you and the rest of the conversation was back and forth between the two of us. If you look at the whole thread, it's "not very complicated". You may have forgotten your earlier post, not a crime. I'm not sure why you would even think that's "obnoxious".
Now, your most recent post...I guess I could think you were trying to be obnoxious...but we both know you would never do that.
Got it!
Thanks very much for your post!! I'm truly sorry that I took it out of context. I can see your point.
I've followed intermittently (as I do many threads). It looks like I was the one that lost track.
Thanks again for your time in explaining the above.
I appreciate your insights and contributions on this and many threads. I am very sorry that I read into your earlier post intention that was not there.
ATS now 15200 with a new in stock date of Oct 7th. Previous in stock date was June 25th. Looks like 10,000 available for backorder right out the gates.
@Nephasth said:
ATS now 15200 with a new in stock date of Oct 7th. Previous in stock date was June 25th. Looks like 10,000 available for backorder right out the gates.
WASHINGTON, July 6, 2026 — The United States Mint (Mint) will release the Best of the Mint 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar Gold Coin and Silver Medal Set —the second of five numismatic gold coin and companion silver medal sets celebrating the Mint’s special journey through history—on July 10, 2026, at noon EDT. Orders are limited to one set per household until Monday, July 13 at noon.
The HHL on this BOM2 release will stay in place for three days rather than the usual 24 hours.
Bulk buyers grabbed just 3457 of their 5000 (25% of 20K) allotment at $1630.
Does their remaining ATS of 1543 (says currently unavailable) get added to Friday’s inventory?
@RAWcoin said:
Bulk buyers grabbed just 3457 of their 5000 (25% of 20K) allotment at $1630.
Does their remaining ATS of 1543 (says currently unavailable) get added to Friday’s inventory?
Should? If they haven't already
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@RAWcoin said:
Bulk buyers grabbed just 3457 of their 5000 (25% of 20K) allotment at $1630.
Does their remaining ATS of 1543 (says currently unavailable) get added to Friday’s inventory?
Should? If they haven't already
ats 15,190 so it doesn't look like they went back into inventory quite yet, but 10 did come off the total since 7/5 when @Nephasth gave us the number as of that date.
@mbr33 said:
ats 15,190 so it doesn't look like they went back into inventory quite yet, but 10 did come off the total since 7/5 when @Nephasth gave us the number as of that date.
Down to 13,750. I still suspect 10,000 of those are backorders, now with an In Stock date of September 3rd.
@mbr33 said:
ats 15,190 so it doesn't look like they went back into inventory quite yet, but 10 did come off the total since 7/5 when @Nephasth gave us the number as of that date.
Down to 13,750. I still suspect 10,000 of those are backorders, now with an In Stock date of September 3rd.
Agreed. I think they go to back order rather quickly. People LOVE that!
@mbr33 said:
ats 15,190 so it doesn't look like they went back into inventory quite yet, but 10 did come off the total since 7/5 when @Nephasth gave us the number as of that date.
Down to 13,750. I still suspect 10,000 of those are backorders, now with an In Stock date of September 3rd.
ATS moved up to 22845 at 7:30 for tomorrow's drop. Now lots of back orders, possibly Sept 3, 2026
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
I was planning on this one BOM issue, but the adjusted up 30k mintage and paying extra for 30k mintage silver design I do not care for has me in holding pattern. September 3 backorder will kill remaining desire.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
@Mr Lindy said:
I was planning on this one BOM issue, but the adjusted up 30k mintage and paying extra for 30k mintage silver design I do not care for has me in holding pattern. September 3 backorder will kill remaining desire.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
What "adjusted mintage"? When did they ever publish a lower number?
It's obvious from the dime that these will not be a flip. You buy them because you like them.
Not because you think you are getting a double from the Mint. They are doing what they should be doing with these -- making enough to satisfy demand. Not handing buyers clubs and other flippers an instant no risk payday.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
Well, it seems almost a certainty that flippers have little to no interest in this one. I think the back order situation won't do this second release any favors either.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
Well, it seems almost a certainty that flippers have little to no interest in this one. I think the back order situation won't do this second release any favors either.
Correct. As you noted, ABPP not taking their full allocation was the first clue. But really a superfluous one.
Everyone sees the same thing. And that's the dimes not doing anything in the secondary market. Back order is annoying, but does not stop people from buying when the demand is there. It just isn't for these.
Maybe 250th fatigue. Maybe just no interest in coins that were done 10 years ago, and things will pick up for the 2 that were not done in 2016. TBD.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
Well, it seems almost a certainty that flippers have little to no interest in this one. I think the back order situation won't do this second release any favors either.
Correct. As you noted, ABPP not taking their full allocation was the first clue. But really a superfluous one.
Everyone sees the same thing. And that's the dimes not doing anything in the secondary market. Back order is annoying, but does not stop people from buying when the demand is there. It just isn't for these.
Maybe 250th fatigue. Maybe just no interest in coins that were done 10 years ago, and things will pick up for the 2 that were not done in 2016. TBD.
Back order also brings opportunity to order, cancel when Mint pricing grid lowers the cost, reorder, cancel again, etc.
The final two one OZ coins stand a shot. Hopefully they don't think 30,000 of those is doable. Those are the two I am most eager for.
First mintage I saw was 15k later it inflated to 30k & not based on last years' product offer as there was none.
Really September 3rd backorder ship is deal killer.
May reconsider one of the 24k BOM ounces as I have an available 24k high mintage 200k plus item I can convert most of spot purchase price into. 1804 versus 1907 ... ?
Moving launch dates , adjusting up mintages a second time like silver proof sets 151K to 250K to 271K after sales occurred and handy back order is becoming routine in 2026.
@Mr Lindy said:
I was planning on this one BOM issue, but the adjusted up 30k mintage and paying extra for 30k mintage silver design I do not care for has me in holding pattern. September 3 backorder will kill remaining desire.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
What "adjusted mintage"? When did they ever publish a lower number?
It's obvious from the dime that these will not be a flip. You buy them because you like them.
Not because you think you are getting a double from the Mint. They are doing what they should be doing with these -- making enough to satisfy demand. Not handing buyers clubs and other flippers an instant no risk payday.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
Well, it seems almost a certainty that flippers have little to no interest in this one. I think the back order situation won't do this second release any favors either.
Correct. As you noted, ABPP not taking their full allocation was the first clue. But really a superfluous one.
Everyone sees the same thing. And that's the dimes not doing anything in the secondary market. Back order is annoying, but does not stop people from buying when the demand is there. It just isn't for these.
Maybe 250th fatigue. Maybe just no interest in coins that were done 10 years ago, and things will pick up for the 2 that were not done in 2016. TBD.
Back order also brings opportunity to order, cancel when Mint pricing grid lowers the cost, reorder, cancel again, etc.
The final two one OZ coins stand a shot. Hopefully they don't think 30,000 of those is doable. Those are the two I am most eager for.
Sure, if that's what you want to do. But that would encourage ordering, not shunning.
TBD on the mintages of the final 2, but people building sets of medals will be pissed if they can't get the last 2. Plus, as you are implying, demand could end up being strong for the final 2, since they weren't done in 2016.
OTOH, maybe not, since the FH was just done 2 years ago, and the St. Gaudens has been done to death by now. As I said, TBD.
@Mr Lindy said:
First mintage I saw was 15k later it inflated to 30k & not based on last years' product offer as there was none.
Really September 3rd backorder ship is deal killer.
May reconsider one of the 24k BOM ounces as I have an available 24k high mintage 200k plus item I can convert most of spot purchase price into. 1804 versus 1907 ... ?
Moving launch dates , adjusting up mintages a second time like silver proof sets 151K to 250K to 271K after sales occurred and handy back order is becoming routine in 2026.
@Mr Lindy said:
I was planning on this one BOM issue, but the adjusted up 30k mintage and paying extra for 30k mintage silver design I do not care for has me in holding pattern. September 3 backorder will kill remaining desire.
@jmlanzaf said:
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
What "adjusted mintage"? When did they ever publish a lower number?
It's obvious from the dime that these will not be a flip. You buy them because you like them.
Not because you think you are getting a double from the Mint. They are doing what they should be doing with these -- making enough to satisfy demand. Not handing buyers clubs and other flippers an instant no risk payday.
Oh. I don't remember seeing any mintages for these before 30K.
Back order also brings opportunity to order, cancel when Mint pricing grid lowers the cost, reorder, cancel again, etc.
The final two one OZ coins stand a shot. Hopefully they don't think 30,000 of those is doable. Those are the two I am most eager for.
Sure, if that's what you want to do. But that would encourage ordering, not shunning.
Correct! That's an opportunity for buyers who got the back order notice to order cheaper, which I think a fair number have done. A wise move with little risk in missing out, although I think the last I saw, the set was sold out again,
Just FYI that APMEX is taking pre-orders for the Standing Liberty and Medal Set in OGP. Price is $2495. Price for MS70 is $2995 and higher, depending on TPG and slab label.
As an aside, some are listed as MS70, others as SP70. Not sure why that is.
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…..and now, I can’t unsee it. You’re right!
ATS down to 5200.
It's still 2 weeks away, and the mintage limit is 30K. I'm not sure 5200 means anything at this point. Just like 10,800 did not before.
Actually, when you respond, it tags the whole chain. You were part of that entire discussion. You had directly responded to me. I don't know if you lost track of the thread or what, but you can see the whole sequence of posts. If you assemble them in order:
Walkerfan: I agree. But, I doubt it will increase 1000% as it did in the last decade but one just doesn’t know for sure…Anything is possible. 😉
YOU: Never know! Who woukd have thought over 5K in Jan or a DOW of 52K just a short while ago.
Me: Other than the 2 million people that have been calling for $5000 gold since 2000? Do you think anyone will pay $10,000 for a wedding ring? At $50,000 per ounce, demand will collapse.
YOU: I'm part of the 348M people who have not been calling for $5K gold since 2000. Hats off to you geniuses! 50,000K per ounce? To me your post is incoherent. Perhaps if I were one of the 2M it would make sense to me.
Me: If gold were to increase 1000% from here, which was the post that preceded the one I responded to, it would be at near $50,000 per ounce. Not very complicated if you read the whole thread.
My response was not intended to be obnoxious, just factual. You directly responded to the person who suggested a 1000% increase in the price of gold. Then I responded to you and the rest of the conversation was back and forth between the two of us. If you look at the whole thread, it's "not very complicated". You may have forgotten your earlier post, not a crime. I'm not sure why you would even think that's "obnoxious".
Now, your most recent post...I guess I could think you were trying to be obnoxious...but we both know you would never do that.
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Got it!
Thanks very much for your post!! I'm truly sorry that I took it out of context. I can see your point.
I've followed intermittently (as I do many threads). It looks like I was the one that lost track.
Thanks again for your time in explaining the above.
I appreciate your insights and contributions on this and many threads. I am very sorry that I read into your earlier post intention that was not there.
ATS now 15200 with a new in stock date of Oct 7th. Previous in stock date was June 25th. Looks like 10,000 available for backorder right out the gates.
Great! We all love those back orders!
WASHINGTON, July 6, 2026 — The United States Mint (Mint) will release the Best of the Mint 1916 Standing Liberty Quarter Dollar Gold Coin and Silver Medal Set —the second of five numismatic gold coin and companion silver medal sets celebrating the Mint’s special journey through history—on July 10, 2026, at noon EDT. Orders are limited to one set per household until Monday, July 13 at noon.
The HHL on this BOM2 release will stay in place for three days rather than the usual 24 hours.
Bulk buyers grabbed just 3457 of their 5000 (25% of 20K) allotment at $1630.
Does their remaining ATS of 1543 (says currently unavailable) get added to Friday’s inventory?
Should? If they haven't already
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ats 15,190 so it doesn't look like they went back into inventory quite yet, but 10 did come off the total since 7/5 when @Nephasth gave us the number as of that date.
Down to 13,750. I still suspect 10,000 of those are backorders, now with an In Stock date of September 3rd.
Agreed. I think they go to back order rather quickly. People LOVE that!
$1,540 PRICE posted on item linky:
https://www.usmint.gov/best-of-the-mint-1916-standing-liberty-quarter-dollar-gold-coin-and-silver-medal-set-26BM2.html
Which is based on $4,100 to $4,149 gold grid:
https://www.usmint.gov/content/dam/usmint/shop/Pricing-Grid.pdf?
ATS moved up to 22845 at 7:30 for tomorrow's drop. Now lots of back orders, possibly Sept 3, 2026
I'm torn on these. The dimes were a dud. I'm not sure I want to spend $1500 on these if they will be cheaper next year (or next month)
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The ABPP didn't purchase their full allotment, so that's another "possible" indicator that they feel the same way you do and can pick them up cheaper later IF they need them.
It also looks like there will be a sizable number within the ATS that are back orders into September.
I was planning on this one BOM issue, but the adjusted up 30k mintage and paying extra for 30k mintage silver design I do not care for has me in holding pattern. September 3 backorder will kill remaining desire.
I’m in the same camp. Not sure I’ll get one. Some people want the silver medal though.
No. If ABPP isn't all in, it's because they don't think it will be worth their while to have them Advance Release pedigreed for sale on TV and the internet. Those are coins whose pedigree will be lost forever.
They are not going to be replaced later at a discount. They will not be getting them "cheaper later" because, other than the slight premium they have to pay for advance release, and then the slight discount bulk buyers get later, there is no real discount to be had, and no other place to get them in quantity. The price will rise and fall with gold bullion.
Dealers go into the secondary market to pay up to buy hot product they cannot get from the Mint. Not to try to scoop up quantity at a discount for resale. Because they are the source of secondary market quantity.
Flippers won't be in if there is no obvious flip. So, no, dealers generally buy new release inventory for resale directly from the Mint. They don't play games speculating that they will be able to source quantity at a discount later in the secondary market. By that time, there is generally no retail market left for them to sell into.
ABPP leaving allocation on the table is just a statement that these won't be "hot," at a higher price and same mintage as the dimes, so they are choosing not to tie up money in them. Probably because they are sitting on a lot of unsold dimes they can't move at the premiums they were hoping to be able to get.
What "adjusted mintage"? When did they ever publish a lower number?
It's obvious from the dime that these will not be a flip. You buy them because you like them.
Not because you think you are getting a double from the Mint. They are doing what they should be doing with these -- making enough to satisfy demand. Not handing buyers clubs and other flippers an instant no risk payday.
You are right about the flippers....not one offer from any buyer's clubs I can find. They are treating this one like a non-event.
What I meant about the ABPP was that if they later found that they were wrong and a market developed for them, they could certainly scoop them up ....maybe not cheaper, and maybe not in bulk, but at a later date and slightly discounted from their earlier premium purchase-point. Like you said, tying up money in unsold inventory is something no business wants. It's also possible (but not probable) that the next tier retailer that cannot qualify for the ABPP could go after them.
Yes, but they will be available separately at some point. I'd rather pay $300 for the silver
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Yeah, but, like I said, that is not their business model. And, there will be no source for quantity if not from another dealer dumping inventory.
ABPP is a different market. They pay a premium to get a pedigree to sell to retail at a bigger premium. If they aren't taking their allocation, it's because they don't think they can't get the premium that drives that market.
Whatever happens later is separate. And, again, pricing will be driven by Mint pricing and the precious metal pricing grid. If flippers don't pile in, there will be no source later for quantity at a big discount.
Well, it seems almost a certainty that flippers have little to no interest in this one. I think the back order situation won't do this second release any favors either.
Correct. As you noted, ABPP not taking their full allocation was the first clue. But really a superfluous one.
Everyone sees the same thing. And that's the dimes not doing anything in the secondary market. Back order is annoying, but does not stop people from buying when the demand is there. It just isn't for these.
Maybe 250th fatigue. Maybe just no interest in coins that were done 10 years ago, and things will pick up for the 2 that were not done in 2016. TBD.
I can vouch for this feeling.
Back order also brings opportunity to order, cancel when Mint pricing grid lowers the cost, reorder, cancel again, etc.
The final two one OZ coins stand a shot. Hopefully they don't think 30,000 of those is doable. Those are the two I am most eager for.
First mintage I saw was 15k later it inflated to 30k & not based on last years' product offer as there was none.
Really September 3rd backorder ship is deal killer.
May reconsider one of the 24k BOM ounces as I have an available 24k high mintage 200k plus item I can convert most of spot purchase price into. 1804 versus 1907 ... ?
Moving launch dates , adjusting up mintages a second time like silver proof sets 151K to 250K to 271K after sales occurred and handy back order is becoming routine in 2026.
Sure, if that's what you want to do. But that would encourage ordering, not shunning.
TBD on the mintages of the final 2, but people building sets of medals will be pissed if they can't get the last 2. Plus, as you are implying, demand could end up being strong for the final 2, since they weren't done in 2016.
OTOH, maybe not, since the FH was just done 2 years ago, and the St. Gaudens has been done to death by now. As I said, TBD.
Oh. I don't remember seeing any mintages for these before 30K.
Correct! That's an opportunity for buyers who got the back order notice to order cheaper, which I think a fair number have done. A wise move with little risk in missing out, although I think the last I saw, the set was sold out again,
Just FYI that APMEX is taking pre-orders for the Standing Liberty and Medal Set in OGP. Price is $2495. Price for MS70 is $2995 and higher, depending on TPG and slab label.
As an aside, some are listed as MS70, others as SP70. Not sure why that is.