1912 S 10C FS-101 - An even more obscure Double Die Dime.

Maxvan1 · July 2, 2026 8:13PM

I don't even know what to think about this one... The PCGS population is only 1 and there are no pictures on VV or DD websites. I'm just looking at the coin and comparing it to the one on PCGS (linked here). Fields are proof like.

Also - What is this type of doubling called? Pivot? Rotation? Something else? Don't say machine (unless it is...).

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IkesT · July 2, 2026 8:29PM

Doubling on the FS-101 is most apparent on "UNITED STA" and the ribbon ends. Your coin is not a match for the variety.

lermish · July 2, 2026 9:07PM

@Maxvan1 said:
Fields are proof like.

Fields are proof like cleaned and not proof-like at all.

Maxvan1 · July 2, 2026 10:03PM

Damn. Mechanical doubling. It's not so far off though.

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Maxvan1 · July 2, 2026 11:30PM

@lermish said:

@Maxvan1 said:
Fields are proof like.

Fields are proof like cleaned and not proof-like at all.

Both.

Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

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IkesT · July 2, 2026 11:46PM

@Maxvan1 said:
Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

No, not at all. There's something fundamentally wrong with your understanding of doubled dies and/or the way you're looking at the coins.

Maxvan1 · July 2, 2026 11:51PM

@IkesT said:

@Maxvan1 said:
Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

No, not at all. There's something fundamentally wrong with your understanding of doubled dies and/or the way you're looking at the coins.

Alright, if you say so...

What about the 1950 proof I posted a couple days ago on a separate thread? That one I'm not conceding.

IkesT · July 3, 2026 12:01AM

@Maxvan1 said:
What about the 1950 proof I posted a couple days ago on a separate thread?

Also not a doubled die. I wouldn't try looking for any more until you sort out what is going wrong.

It may be a matter of going back to the drawing board and learning the basics. On the other hand, if your eye is the problem, there's not much you can do.

jmlanzaf · July 3, 2026 4:40AM

@Maxvan1 said:

@lermish said:

@Maxvan1 said:
Fields are proof like.

Fields are proof like cleaned and not proof-like at all.

Both.

Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

There's no such thing as close. It is exact or it isn't.

jonathanb · July 3, 2026 6:41AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Maxvan1 said:

@lermish said:

@Maxvan1 said:
Fields are proof like.

Fields are proof like cleaned and not proof-like at all.

Both.

Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

There's no such thing as close. It is exact or it isn't.

This is an important comment. @Maxvan1 do you understand what why close isn't relevant here?

Maxvan1 · July 3, 2026 9:20AM

@jonathanb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Maxvan1 said:

@lermish said:

@Maxvan1 said:
Fields are proof like.

Fields are proof like cleaned and not proof-like at all.

Both.

Nevertheless, this still looks pretty close to the DDO it to me (albeit cleaned and in a different die state). UNITED looks right to me. Same with the S.

There's no such thing as close. It is exact or it isn't.

This is an important comment. @Maxvan1 do you understand what why close isn't relevant here?

I do. And I've conceded on the 1912. We're talking about a coin for which there is no guide and a single picture to compare. Gimme a break.

The 1950 is exact. I'll send it express and report back.

Alpha2814 · July 3, 2026 10:08AM

I see what looks like notching in the "E" in America (last image above the Gallery). That doesn't look like machine doubling to me, but almost all the other arrows are pointing to something too subtle.

jmlanzaf · July 3, 2026 10:15AM

@Alpha2814 said:
I see what looks like notching in the "E" in America (last image above the Gallery). That doesn't look like machine doubling to me, but almost all the other arrows are pointing to something too subtle.

You can't have one PUP and not all of them.

Alpha2814 · July 3, 2026 10:19AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Alpha2814 said:
I see what looks like notching in the "E" in America (last image above the Gallery). That doesn't look like machine doubling to me, but almost all the other arrows are pointing to something too subtle.

You can't have one PUP and not all of them.

Then it's not FS-101, but it could be something else.

IkesT · July 3, 2026 10:25AM

The notch on the "E" is on the master die.

Maxvan1 · July 3, 2026 10:35AM

Lets look at TED on this 1912...

Here's a NORMAL 1912-S.

Here's the DDO 1912-S

Here's the one originally posted above

Maxvan1 · July 3, 2026 10:42AM

But yes, I concede this does not look like it. The area inside the D is too wide and the tail of the S isn't it.

But my point is that it's kind of close. Granted, close isn't it. But that's those are the types of things I was seeing here.

Agree the notch on the E is on the master hub.

TPring · July 3, 2026 11:06AM

@Maxvan1 said:Capital idea

The 1950 is exact. I'll send it express and report back.

Capital idea -- I don't think you will be disappointed.

Maxvan1 · July 3, 2026 11:30AM

@TPring said:

@Maxvan1 said:Capital idea

The 1950 is exact. I'll send it express and report back.

Capital idea -- I don't think you will be disappointed.

I like your signature line.

mr1931S · July 3, 2026 6:53PM

Just remember...the advice you receive on a site is worth every bit of what you paid for it.

So true. And funny too. There needs to be a badge awarded to the biggest semiquincentennial hot dog.

Maxvan1 · July 5, 2026 1:54PM

For my own education, what am I seeing here in the leaves?

It looks to me like the second and third circled leaves (middle ones) are slightly thicker and the tips a bit different, more pointed toward center rather than vertical...

*Edit: The photos are not perfectly aligned, but nevertheless I would swear the leaves look like something...
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Thanks All.

Maxvan1 · July 5, 2026 2:02PM

Also, high resolution GIF comparing normal and DDO. Maybe someone else will find it useful.

Maxvan1 · July 5, 2026 2:07PM

Sorry last post on this thread for now... The "doubling" around the ribbon here is from die lapping? Like from grinding the die down past the design elements?

Again, just trying to educate myself here. Thanks again all.

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jonathanb · July 5, 2026 2:11PM

I don't see anything noteworthy in the leaves beyond different coins with different amounts of wear.

The doubling is clear on the DDO on the serifs of ST in STATES

MsMorrisine · July 5, 2026 3:25PM

die polish won't cause doubling