You’ve dodged the question. I asked you what would change. Saying precedent gives strength to either side says nothing. I’m questioning what an abuse of discretion precedent does. There’s precedent already that a single state ruling doesn’t have a multi state reach now so. This is another one you can’t have both ways.
The own team betting law would work. It’s a good idea. It’s not relevant to Sorsbys case though. So what’s the precedent? I don’t disagree with you at all. Just wondering if you see it the same way.
Nothings going to chance immediately, never does. What the NCAA should want is a decision and to get this into federal court which yes isnt that hard unless they just give up.
Not sure why you wont acknowledge the conical diagnosis aspect or how in the world a own team team betting law wouldnt apply to someone that admitted to it.
Again it comes down to what the NFL is telling him and the language in his NIL deal for what he will do. Until its June 23rd its all hypotheticals
@Basebal21 said:
Nothings going to chance immediately, never does. What the NCAA should want is a decision and to get this into federal court which yes isnt that hard unless they just give up.
Not sure why you wont acknowledge the conical diagnosis aspect or how in the world a own team team betting law wouldnt apply to someone that admitted to it.
I am. I really don’t disagree with you. It’s funny for me because it’s the premise I started this discussion with. If this happens it’s a messy mess.
I’m agreeing that there is a precedent but we’re not stating what it is. What is the precedent? It’s not good. It’s not mental health or gambling related although I think we get a nod to an existing rule out of this so someone - I don’t know who - the people perhaps - can take a victory lap.
Bottom line, the judge who issued the injunction couldn't be more wrong, the NCAA is correct and Sorsby needs to have his ban from NCAA participation reinstated.
Nothing else needs to be said or posted unless you like to type and hear the sound of your own voice.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@Maywood said:
Bottom line, the judge who issued the injunction couldn't be more wrong, the NCAA is correct and Sorsby needs to have his ban from NCAA participation reinstated.
Nothing else needs to be said or posted unless you like to type and hear the sound of your own voice.
It’s an interesting decision. You don’t explain why the judge is wrong. You don’t ever provide anything other than a strong opinion and random insults. Educate yourself.
Here’s an example why I think it’s big news worthy of discussion.
What this changes. Integrity rules have been the one area where the NCAA has been safe from this very sort of injunction manipulation using the courts in the past. Transfer and NIL sure - courts jumped in and mostly sided with the players. This is new. Now it’s opened the door to even the most agreed upon, bright line, rules are fair game for “sympathetic” courts to enjoin. File in a friendly court and argue irreparable harm. The blueprint is here now. Thanks Sorsby.
i find it interesting the number of schools that want no part of Tech on their schedule now. read an article last night about Big 12 ADs contemplating a boycott.
if you think this is an isolated incident, you're grossly kidding yourself. he's a single DWI casualty from the sea of drunks who left the bar.
The stuff out of Georgia and Nebraska? is puffery mostly but the discussions in the Big 12 have my attention. If they were to boycott the ripple of that would destroy college football. that would be it.
Theyre all just posturing trying to stand on a soap box. The big 112 schools are trying to make a big issue for recruiting which TT is getting a lot of money for from a doner that wants to see them win. They have a top 10 most expensive roster and expectations change without him. As dumb as he is he is actually very good and was considered likely to go in the first round of the draft next year.
Kirbyu and Kiffin are both former Saban assistants. Kiffins doing the same crap with O;e Miss to try and steal his former recruits away and Kirby always does this like Saban used to do. None of them actually care other than trying to find a way to hurt the competition.
@Basebal21 said:
Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
@Basebal21 said:
Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
Texas Tech read the tea leaves and paid him his NIL to go away.
@Basebal21 said:
Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
Texas Tech read the tea leaves and paid him his NIL to go away.
Read the tea leaves? It's capitulation. I guess the Big 12 boycott pressure won.
My guess is that the lawsuit from the Big 12 against Texas Tech was very strong. Loudmouth Cody wasn’t shy about spouting off with the earlier boycott and other threats against TTech, but he was pretty quiet yesterday so I think he realized he was screwed and probably paid made the problem go away.
@Basebal21 said:
Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
TT is just done with it. Theyll let him keep the NIL payments they already made but he wasnt going to get future ones and maybe would have played a couple games at best. It hurts them a lot, but it hurts them even more if they let him maybe play a couple games before a new court decision changes his status.
It was likely his plan all along after he lost the NCAA appeal and has been training for the draft for over a month. Next years QB class is loaded this one sucked and there were even first round projections on him for next year. Once the courts changed it hes then hes in a loaded QB draft after sitting out a year.
The Big 12 boycott stuff was nonsense. TT is their top program in multiple sports and kicking them out just costs them and every other schools money. Theres plenty of players playing that have arrests at numerous schools
If TT is fed up they’re saying that it’s because of the other Big 12 schools boycotting their games. But why say that if not to promote a Sherman Act defense for Sorsby if he’s going to the draft now. Makes no sense.
I also read something that the contract front end has been paid and they won’t try to claw back. Campbell said it’s paid as well.
Weird all around. I think this isn’t the last time we hear of this boycott stuff.
Theyre just moving on. They spent (well their billionaire booster mostly did) millions on their softball team which made the finals in the college world series. Its really not worth it to try and claw anything back with what the legal fees would be.
Any boycott is just a forfeit. Thats never going to happen for a major sport. Again if they kick them out of the conference that just hurts their levcerage for the next TV deal. Teams use any chance they can get to try and hurt other teams
The wording sounds like they can’t and their contract was so bad that they can’t. It’s walk away language.
I doubt it’s the full $5M but it’s likely more than half and it’s his and they could not take it without admitting that there was antitrust activity that forced the devaluation of their contract.
Antitrust is irrelevant. Every school/boosters can pay players and transfers. Itd cost 6 figures in lawyer fees at least and who knows if he even still has the money to pay it back even if they win which will take forever. Trying to claw it back just makes players less likely to go there and there are players that have transferred before because of not getting paid. Just moving on is more about recruiting
@Basebal21 said:
Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
Texas Tech read the tea leaves and paid him his NIL to go away.
Read the tea leaves? It's capitulation. I guess the Big 12 boycott pressure won.
The Big 12 was going to sue and was going to win, hence the tea leaves. Texas Tech just saved everybody a big headache.
@Basebal21 said:
Antitrust is irrelevant. Every school/boosters can pay players and transfers. Itd cost 6 figures in lawyer fees at least and who knows if he even still has the money to pay it back even if they win which will take forever. Trying to claw it back just makes players less likely to go there and there are players that have transferred before because of not getting paid. Just moving on is more about recruiting
I’m only referring to other Big 12 schools boycotting sports with Tech. In the past few weeks, Georgia, Nebraska, and most recently, Michigan, all came out and canceled games with TT, but if you believe what the ADs are saying in the media it was the pressure of the other Big 12 teams.
So the NCAa couldn’t keep him from playing but the other teams in the Big 12 were able to threaten a coalition which would hurt TT’s media share and that moved the needle.
@Basebal21 said:
Antitrust is irrelevant. Every school/boosters can pay players and transfers. Itd cost 6 figures in lawyer fees at least and who knows if he even still has the money to pay it back even if they win which will take forever. Trying to claw it back just makes players less likely to go there and there are players that have transferred before because of not getting paid. Just moving on is more about recruiting
I’m only referring to other Big 12 schools boycotting sports with Tech. In the past few weeks, Georgia, Nebraska, and most recently, Michigan, all came out and canceled games with TT, but if you believe what the ADs are saying in the media it was the pressure of the other Big 12 teams.
So the NCAa couldn’t keep him from playing but the other teams in the Big 12 were able to threaten a coalition which would hurt TT’s media share and that moved the needle.
SEC teams have been canceling games from adding a conference game. The out of conference hard games are going to be reduced going forward. Dont forget the fact that Texas and Oklahoma (two of the top 10 earners) dont like TT regardless
Everyone of those schools has their own issues with their rosters and Michigan is the last school that should be talking. Sit this one out when you just got massively cheating. Everyone of those schools would let one of their best players play especially a QB if they thought they could play the season. Oregon State let an admitted child molester play baseball because he was their best pitcher.
All that said none of them actually canceled games. it was for not scheduling in the future which the playoff committee has been incentivizing best records so teams are starting to not schedule hard out of conference games. TT was unlikely to ever have an out of conference game against any of them anyways in the next few years.
No supplemental draft! With CBA in place, I assume he has no legal recourse through suing the league? I guess we’ll see how legit Texas Tech’s comments about supporting the player are when fall rolls around and he needs access to his teammates and coaches so he’s not overly harmed
No NFL Supplemental Draft is great news and sounds to me like a referendum on Sorsby. It shifts all the heat back to Texas Tech. I foresee court hearings and lawsuits to come from this and damage to anyone involved if they play him.
He just needs to be banned from NCAA Football and he can take his chances in the NFL as a free agent.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I thought I read that his time at Tech is over, so I don’t think there’s any risk in them playing him. My comments were related to the team allowing a non-rostered, non-student to take reps away from their real players. After all, they’ve said they stand behind him and will support him 100% in his recovery from his addiction and his dream of getting to the league. Time for Tech to put up or shut up.
Likely will go to the CFL. TT was done with him and very likely still are. They basically let him keep money to not have to deal with it anymore.
Hes basically a test case at this point. He should have done what Boutte did, deny everything wait for charges magically disappear and then go to the draft.
The whole paying him to go away is nonsense though. His contract does not allow them to claw back anything they had paid him which is probably around 60% of that $5M. So saying they are not going after it did two things. It made it seem like they had a choice and it signaled they were not going to pursue anything antitrust related. Taking the W and licking their wounds.
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You’ve dodged the question. I asked you what would change. Saying precedent gives strength to either side says nothing. I’m questioning what an abuse of discretion precedent does. There’s precedent already that a single state ruling doesn’t have a multi state reach now so. This is another one you can’t have both ways.
The own team betting law would work. It’s a good idea. It’s not relevant to Sorsbys case though. So what’s the precedent? I don’t disagree with you at all. Just wondering if you see it the same way.
Nothings going to chance immediately, never does. What the NCAA should want is a decision and to get this into federal court which yes isnt that hard unless they just give up.
Not sure why you wont acknowledge the conical diagnosis aspect or how in the world a own team team betting law wouldnt apply to someone that admitted to it.
Again it comes down to what the NFL is telling him and the language in his NIL deal for what he will do. Until its June 23rd its all hypotheticals
Fire AJ Preller
I am. I really don’t disagree with you. It’s funny for me because it’s the premise I started this discussion with. If this happens it’s a messy mess.
I’m agreeing that there is a precedent but we’re not stating what it is. What is the precedent? It’s not good. It’s not mental health or gambling related although I think we get a nod to an existing rule out of this so someone - I don’t know who - the people perhaps - can take a victory lap.
Bottom line, the judge who issued the injunction couldn't be more wrong, the NCAA is correct and Sorsby needs to have his ban from NCAA participation reinstated.
Nothing else needs to be said or posted unless you like to type and hear the sound of your own voice.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It’s an interesting decision. You don’t explain why the judge is wrong. You don’t ever provide anything other than a strong opinion and random insults. Educate yourself.
Here’s an example why I think it’s big news worthy of discussion.
What this changes. Integrity rules have been the one area where the NCAA has been safe from this very sort of injunction manipulation using the courts in the past. Transfer and NIL sure - courts jumped in and mostly sided with the players. This is new. Now it’s opened the door to even the most agreed upon, bright line, rules are fair game for “sympathetic” courts to enjoin. File in a friendly court and argue irreparable harm. The blueprint is here now. Thanks Sorsby.
couple of thoughts
i find it interesting the number of schools that want no part of Tech on their schedule now. read an article last night about Big 12 ADs contemplating a boycott.
if you think this is an isolated incident, you're grossly kidding yourself. he's a single DWI casualty from the sea of drunks who left the bar.
The stuff out of Georgia and Nebraska? is puffery mostly but the discussions in the Big 12 have my attention. If they were to boycott the ripple of that would destroy college football. that would be it.
Theyre all just posturing trying to stand on a soap box. The big 112 schools are trying to make a big issue for recruiting which TT is getting a lot of money for from a doner that wants to see them win. They have a top 10 most expensive roster and expectations change without him. As dumb as he is he is actually very good and was considered likely to go in the first round of the draft next year.
Kirbyu and Kiffin are both former Saban assistants. Kiffins doing the same crap with O;e Miss to try and steal his former recruits away and Kirby always does this like Saban used to do. None of them actually care other than trying to find a way to hurt the competition.
Fire AJ Preller
good convo between DP & Herbie
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Scorsby plans to enter NFl supplemental draft from reports coming out now
Fire AJ Preller
You were right about that. I'm a little shocked that he's giving up because of the appeal that everyone expected. There must be more to the story - someone telegraphed something. What do you know?
Texas Tech read the tea leaves and paid him his NIL to go away.
Read the tea leaves? It's capitulation. I guess the Big 12 boycott pressure won.
My guess is that the lawsuit from the Big 12 against Texas Tech was very strong. Loudmouth Cody wasn’t shy about spouting off with the earlier boycott and other threats against TTech, but he was pretty quiet yesterday so I think he realized he was screwed and probably paid made the problem go away.
Jim
TT is just done with it. Theyll let him keep the NIL payments they already made but he wasnt going to get future ones and maybe would have played a couple games at best. It hurts them a lot, but it hurts them even more if they let him maybe play a couple games before a new court decision changes his status.
It was likely his plan all along after he lost the NCAA appeal and has been training for the draft for over a month. Next years QB class is loaded this one sucked and there were even first round projections on him for next year. Once the courts changed it hes then hes in a loaded QB draft after sitting out a year.
The Big 12 boycott stuff was nonsense. TT is their top program in multiple sports and kicking them out just costs them and every other schools money. Theres plenty of players playing that have arrests at numerous schools
Fire AJ Preller
If TT is fed up they’re saying that it’s because of the other Big 12 schools boycotting their games. But why say that if not to promote a Sherman Act defense for Sorsby if he’s going to the draft now. Makes no sense.
I also read something that the contract front end has been paid and they won’t try to claw back. Campbell said it’s paid as well.
Weird all around. I think this isn’t the last time we hear of this boycott stuff.
Theyre just moving on. They spent (well their billionaire booster mostly did) millions on their softball team which made the finals in the college world series. Its really not worth it to try and claw anything back with what the legal fees would be.
Any boycott is just a forfeit. Thats never going to happen for a major sport. Again if they kick them out of the conference that just hurts their levcerage for the next TV deal. Teams use any chance they can get to try and hurt other teams
Fire AJ Preller
The wording sounds like they can’t and their contract was so bad that they can’t. It’s walk away language.
I doubt it’s the full $5M but it’s likely more than half and it’s his and they could not take it without admitting that there was antitrust activity that forced the devaluation of their contract.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Antitrust is irrelevant. Every school/boosters can pay players and transfers. Itd cost 6 figures in lawyer fees at least and who knows if he even still has the money to pay it back even if they win which will take forever. Trying to claw it back just makes players less likely to go there and there are players that have transferred before because of not getting paid. Just moving on is more about recruiting
Fire AJ Preller
The Big 12 was going to sue and was going to win, hence the tea leaves. Texas Tech just saved everybody a big headache.
I’m only referring to other Big 12 schools boycotting sports with Tech. In the past few weeks, Georgia, Nebraska, and most recently, Michigan, all came out and canceled games with TT, but if you believe what the ADs are saying in the media it was the pressure of the other Big 12 teams.
So the NCAa couldn’t keep him from playing but the other teams in the Big 12 were able to threaten a coalition which would hurt TT’s media share and that moved the needle.
SEC teams have been canceling games from adding a conference game. The out of conference hard games are going to be reduced going forward. Dont forget the fact that Texas and Oklahoma (two of the top 10 earners) dont like TT regardless
Everyone of those schools has their own issues with their rosters and Michigan is the last school that should be talking. Sit this one out when you just got massively cheating. Everyone of those schools would let one of their best players play especially a QB if they thought they could play the season. Oregon State let an admitted child molester play baseball because he was their best pitcher.
All that said none of them actually canceled games. it was for not scheduling in the future which the playoff committee has been incentivizing best records so teams are starting to not schedule hard out of conference games. TT was unlikely to ever have an out of conference game against any of them anyways in the next few years.
Fire AJ Preller
No supplemental draft! With CBA in place, I assume he has no legal recourse through suing the league? I guess we’ll see how legit Texas Tech’s comments about supporting the player are when fall rolls around and he needs access to his teammates and coaches so he’s not overly harmed
Jim
No NFL Supplemental Draft is great news and sounds to me like a referendum on Sorsby. It shifts all the heat back to Texas Tech. I foresee court hearings and lawsuits to come from this and damage to anyone involved if they play him.
He just needs to be banned from NCAA Football and he can take his chances in the NFL as a free agent.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
🙂
I thought I read that his time at Tech is over, so I don’t think there’s any risk in them playing him. My comments were related to the team allowing a non-rostered, non-student to take reps away from their real players. After all, they’ve said they stand behind him and will support him 100% in his recovery from his addiction and his dream of getting to the league. Time for Tech to put up or shut up.
Jim
Likely will go to the CFL. TT was done with him and very likely still are. They basically let him keep money to not have to deal with it anymore.
Hes basically a test case at this point. He should have done what Boutte did, deny everything wait for charges magically disappear and then go to the draft.
Fire AJ Preller
TT supporting him strikes me as an effort by them to avoid having egg on their face. Oh yeah, he's not really that good, either.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I am happy with the outcome all around.
The whole paying him to go away is nonsense though. His contract does not allow them to claw back anything they had paid him which is probably around 60% of that $5M. So saying they are not going after it did two things. It made it seem like they had a choice and it signaled they were not going to pursue anything antitrust related. Taking the W and licking their wounds.