OK. so we're talking about the same thing but you got your facts a little jumbled. To say there's a "congressional committee" driving any of this is not approaching reality.
That will vote on it and if it passes than they will override state laws
But it’s not being pushed by a “stupid” congressional committee. Read between the lines. Trumps executive order and the committees he has formed are really just there to push it through. Everyone wants this in some way except for the athletes.
Until they have votes in the senate what the house votes matters not. But in the end having the same rules for all schools is happening. What’s your point bringing it up. That’s it’s happening or were you sharing that you don’t really understand how the machine works?
It has to pass one chamber before the other. What do you not understand about that? The Senate is where it is most likely to pass.
The athletes not wanting it says enough. Every school can have the same rules already. Theres something larger going on youre missing or just cant figure out. Its the end of the NCAA, it gives D2 and D3 schools power which is even worse than a G5 team
Uhh. I understand how the legislature works. I also know that everyone is tracking the senate count. Rewatch how a bill comes a law and let’s start this iteration over. Love the “there’s something larger angle”. I guess you’re seeing around corners again. You’re doing great buddy.
Thats not a response so so no reason to engage anymore
That’s not a response so so no no.
The house has tried to bring score to the floor multiple times but the whip count has been short and the bill has been pulled.
You opened with a statement that this is being driven by a stupid congressional committee. Not true. Now you’re just digging nowhere. This is like what they teach in grade school. I mean it when I say watch how a bill becomes a law again.
The score act passing wouldn’t kill the NCAA or be the end of it. It would impact those 30 states and many SEC and B1G schools along with the rest of the Power Four. My argument is that’s justified and fairness is best for NIL spending and student tuition should not fund this. The rest is just what it is so if you want to talk about something talk about the actual content and stay out of the how the burger gets made. That’s not your dance floor.
Every time you get angry and offended.
The house bill would kill the Ncaa. It there to eliminate it since the power 4 conferences want to eliminate it
So this reads like you have the exact opposite understanding of the SCORE Act and what it would do. The bill is a lifeline to the NCAA and they are heavily in favor of it. I think you might be confusing the White House committees with the SCORE Act. That committee is primarily influenced by Campbell and Saban. It’s weird because Campbell is effectively supporting the bully pulpit which is intended to get votes for SCORE which is going to give the NCAA the control they need. While Campbell has said he doesn’t think the NCAA is capable of managing the media rights and that’s what they’ve done in the recommendations; creating a new governing body to handle the media rights with the NCAA being the rules enforcement body. If Campbell’s reforms are instituted through executive order as they have been - which won’t happen - and don’t believe me just look at what DeSantis said - or more importantly what he’s not saying about Campbells reforms.
But this isn’t the House bill and I want you to understand that. The White House is a house but it’s not the House of Representatives when you’re referring to the stupid Congressional committee.
Congress - SCORE Act. Saves NCAA from douche-canoes like Skrmetti.
White House Reform committee with Campbell and Saban, etc. - declaw the NCAA. As you say kills it.
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
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Can one of the forum sports bettors give us some odds??
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@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
@Maywood said:
Oh, goody!! A fresh page of inane discussion amongst the Sports Forum elites. We should have a grudge match featuring MisterKnowItAll vs. MisterThinksHeKnowsItAll.
Can one of the forum sports bettors give us some odds??
Thankfully no one is using big words so I hope you’ve been able to follow along.
@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
You’re right about the lawsuits but the athletes are less of a problem than the states.
I would support Title IX generally. Most of what it did is really good. When it’s thrown around here it’s focused on the “proportionality” standards. It would probably be best if there wasn’t formal discrimination that required a federal statute to prevent. You know… because that happened. Title IX really did much more but the stuff people complain about isn’t in the statute. the problem is that you can’t just carve that section out without replacing it. So it’s going nowhere because people can’t compromise on the methodology when everyone with a brain knows you just carve out football and problem solved. It’s a big joke and the dept of education isn’t going to change the standards anytime soon - they’re dinosaurs.
@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
You’re right about the lawsuits but the athletes are less of a problem than the states.
I would support Title IX generally. Most of what it did is really good. When it’s thrown around here it’s focused on the “proportionality” standards. It would probably be best if there wasn’t formal discrimination that required a federal statute to prevent. You know… because that happened. Title IX really did much more but the stuff people complain about isn’t in the statute. the problem is that you can’t just carve that section out without replacing it. So it’s going nowhere because people can’t compromise on the methodology when everyone with a brain knows you just carve out football and problem solved. It’s a big joke and the dept of education isn’t going to change the standards anytime soon - they’re dinosaurs.
The states all make their own decisions and any state with a big program doesnt really care anyways. The NIL impacts HS more but theres a bunch of HS programs that operate like colleges recruiting across the country for football
I do agree the smartest thing would be eliminate football from title IX. I would eliminate baseball too because the rosters just arent the same and its not a discrimination issue. I have nothing against womens sports but wrestling programs getting eliminated because of it is a shame and I dont even like college wrestling. Theres plenty of schools like Nebraska Womens Volleyball, Iowa when Clark was there for basketball, LSU gymnastics. If its a good product people show up while mens sports have lost teams to stay in compliance
@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
You’re right about the lawsuits but the athletes are less of a problem than the states.
I would support Title IX generally. Most of what it did is really good. When it’s thrown around here it’s focused on the “proportionality” standards. It would probably be best if there wasn’t formal discrimination that required a federal statute to prevent. You know… because that happened. Title IX really did much more but the stuff people complain about isn’t in the statute. the problem is that you can’t just carve that section out without replacing it. So it’s going nowhere because people can’t compromise on the methodology when everyone with a brain knows you just carve out football and problem solved. It’s a big joke and the dept of education isn’t going to change the standards anytime soon - they’re dinosaurs.
The states all make their own decisions and any state with a big program doesnt really care anyways. The NIL impacts HS more but theres a bunch of HS programs that operate like colleges recruiting across the country for football
I do agree the smartest thing would be eliminate football from title IX. I would eliminate baseball too because the rosters just arent the same and its not a discrimination issue. I have nothing against womens sports but wrestling programs getting eliminated because of it is a shame and I dont even like college wrestling. Theres plenty of schools like Nebraska Womens Volleyball, Iowa when Clark was there for basketball, LSU gymnastics. If its a good product people show up while mens sports have lost teams to stay in compliance
I wouldn’t say it’s still true that the states make their own decisions anymore. That was the problem in fact. The decision last summer overlaid the states with federal control and now it just needs to be decided who’s gonna have those reigns. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that it’s not gonna be the States. If SCORE passes the states will have been entirely neutered and honestly I’m looking forward to that. States with big programs actually care the most and that’s why AGs in those states have been suing the NCAA - see Tennessee. Virginia, Texas, Illinois, Missouri. These guys are swimming for the surface but it’s no use and the boosters funding this nonsense are just pissing money away - I’m also fine with that. I’m not getting those same “we don’t care” vibes. It seems more like crying while listening to break-up music. The states don’t care and big programs do whatever might have been the landscape a year ago but the House settlement with the NCAA last summer really shook things up. Here’s how it changed - that ruling added a federal layer on top of the states and who is at the controls is the thing being discussed. Not whether the States or the Schools will have power - never close the door but that boat left the dock.
As far as the high school landscape and NIL I think that’s a separate discussion. Nothing has changed other than it’s now in the open and more so as states allow it. NIL is certainly changing the recruiting landscape but it’s not directly related to the current turmoil at the college level.
Here’s how I would describe it. The States pushed this mess to the breaking point and the States with the big programs were the most aggressive. I bet they regret it. What remains to be seen is what impact Campbell can really have. I expect the NCAA to remain the governing body and the federal government will be involved to approve media rights frameworks and approve deals. The states can go back to being tough on whatever they want to be tough on.
What’s interesting is that the narrative on women’s sports has changed from lack of interest to under exposure. That’s given the proportional argument more teeth.
@Basebal21 said:
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
You’re right about the lawsuits but the athletes are less of a problem than the states.
I would support Title IX generally. Most of what it did is really good. When it’s thrown around here it’s focused on the “proportionality” standards. It would probably be best if there wasn’t formal discrimination that required a federal statute to prevent. You know… because that happened. Title IX really did much more but the stuff people complain about isn’t in the statute. the problem is that you can’t just carve that section out without replacing it. So it’s going nowhere because people can’t compromise on the methodology when everyone with a brain knows you just carve out football and problem solved. It’s a big joke and the dept of education isn’t going to change the standards anytime soon - they’re dinosaurs.
The states all make their own decisions and any state with a big program doesnt really care anyways. The NIL impacts HS more but theres a bunch of HS programs that operate like colleges recruiting across the country for football
I do agree the smartest thing would be eliminate football from title IX. I would eliminate baseball too because the rosters just arent the same and its not a discrimination issue. I have nothing against womens sports but wrestling programs getting eliminated because of it is a shame and I dont even like college wrestling. Theres plenty of schools like Nebraska Womens Volleyball, Iowa when Clark was there for basketball, LSU gymnastics. If its a good product people show up while mens sports have lost teams to stay in compliance
I wouldn’t say it’s still true that the states make their own decisions anymore. That was the problem in fact. The decision last summer overlaid the states with federal control and now it just needs to be decided who’s gonna have those reigns. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that it’s not gonna be the States. If SCORE passes the states will have been entirely neutered and honestly I’m looking forward to that. States with big programs actually care the most and that’s why AGs in those states have been suing the NCAA - see Tennessee. Virginia, Texas, Illinois, Missouri. These guys are swimming for the surface but it’s no use and the boosters funding this nonsense are just pissing money away - I’m also fine with that. I’m not getting those same “we don’t care” vibes. It seems more like crying while listening to break-up music. The states don’t care and big programs do whatever might have been the landscape a year ago but the House settlement with the NCAA last summer really shook things up. Here’s how it changed - that ruling added a federal layer on top of the states and who is at the controls is the thing being discussed. Not whether the States or the Schools will have power - never close the door but that boat left the dock.
As far as the high school landscape and NIL I think that’s a separate discussion. Nothing has changed other than it’s now in the open and more so as states allow it. NIL is certainly changing the recruiting landscape but it’s not directly related to the current turmoil at the college level.
Here’s how I would describe it. The States pushed this mess to the breaking point and the States with the big programs were the most aggressive. I bet they regret it. What remains to be seen is what impact Campbell can really have. I expect the NCAA to remain the governing body and the federal government will be involved to approve media rights frameworks and approve deals. The states can go back to being tough on whatever they want to be tough on.
What’s interesting is that the narrative on women’s sports has changed from lack of interest to under exposure. That’s given the proportional argument more teeth.
The Score act passing thats exactly what the issue would be. It would just take away power from the athletes and things that have happened will just go under the table again impacting the none super stars more. The states you mentioned there are politics involved which we shouldnt get into but its a power play either way. Illinois doesnt have a big program for football, theyve gotten better but its been a short run. Virginia doesnt have a football powerhouse either. VT the baseball program has been better than the football team, UVA is a baseball/lacrosse.basketball school. Tennessee Vandy while I like their coach they are a baseball school and the baseball team has been struggling in conference play this year
As far as the high school the states with the biggest recruits are the ones doing NIL which does impact college. The college level is certainly bigger when you had Ewers going to OSU for a year to make more money then going back to Texas when it was legalized.
For the women its really just a product issue. You have Volleyball teams that can get 50k, basketball teams that can average over 10k a game a year, softball teams that can get 2-3k a game in the SEC which are on the same networks the baseball and football teams are on. Softball gets over 10k for the womens college world series. If the products good people attend and watch, their success should be enjoyed but not something that requires mens sports to be eliminated
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So this reads like you have the exact opposite understanding of the SCORE Act and what it would do. The bill is a lifeline to the NCAA and they are heavily in favor of it. I think you might be confusing the White House committees with the SCORE Act. That committee is primarily influenced by Campbell and Saban. It’s weird because Campbell is effectively supporting the bully pulpit which is intended to get votes for SCORE which is going to give the NCAA the control they need. While Campbell has said he doesn’t think the NCAA is capable of managing the media rights and that’s what they’ve done in the recommendations; creating a new governing body to handle the media rights with the NCAA being the rules enforcement body. If Campbell’s reforms are instituted through executive order as they have been - which won’t happen - and don’t believe me just look at what DeSantis said - or more importantly what he’s not saying about Campbells reforms.
But this isn’t the House bill and I want you to understand that. The White House is a house but it’s not the House of Representatives when you’re referring to the stupid Congressional committee.
Congress - SCORE Act. Saves NCAA from douche-canoes like Skrmetti.
White House Reform committee with Campbell and Saban, etc. - declaw the NCAA. As you say kills it.
Couple things. LSU is an elite school in things like Oil engineering and agriculture. Sorry they arent so good at yelling at the sky and protesting
They are also just as much a baseball school as a football school. They have an average higher attendance that more than one MLB team and have a pitching lab pro pitchers go to work at like Wake Forrest
The bill that will be voted on in congress will put congress in charge if it passes. It very likely wont but would be a disaster if it did. Of course the schools are in favor of it takes away power and money from the athletes. Theres even really bumb stuff like not being able to pull scholarships from players that suck meaning someone deserving wont get one since scholarships which are free to the school are limited.
Athletes have a high success rate in court unless its something really dumb. This is the effort to be an end around to start being able to treat athletes poorly again and the big schools to have a massive advantage where they can illegally pay players like they did long before NIL
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Elite is a stretch for both. I can name 10 schools who eat their lunch in petro and for Ag I would look at Purdue, Iowa State, and A&M as the top tier. LSU. Please. Numbers don’t lie and Louisiana has one of the worst state systems in the nation - if not the worst consistently. That state has defunded education for the last 15 years at an accelerating rate. That state is a joke.
As far as the SCORE Act putting Congress in charge of it… what’s it? If you’re talking about governance yes. If you’re talking about running college football no. This is a big distinction and it’s what the NCAA wants to happen. From an athlete perspective I think the biggest desire is to have a competitive landscape that isn’t changing constantly as it affects athletes rights. But demanding a union is crazy or being considered employees.
If you’re looking at the plan which allows schools to end around NIL limits then you’re, again, thinking of Campbells reforms.
Oh, goody!! A fresh page of inane discussion amongst the Sports Forum elites. We should have a grudge match featuring MisterKnowItAll vs. MisterThinksHeKnowsItAll.
Can one of the forum sports bettors give us some odds??
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LSU and the New Orleans failing results arent really connected in terms of the students. Almost half of LSU students are out of state. They have plenty of graduates working in Nasa and things like that too.
Again NIL just makes player payments public. So Cal, Auburn, LSU, OSU, Oregon, SMU etc were all paying players long before NIL was legal. All the power schools have paid players before NIL and some of the former players dont care anymore and will talk about coming back to a downtown LA apartment with a bag full of cashleft behind. OSU Reese had a GPA of 0.4 in high school and somehow had one of 3.7 at OSU which we all know how.
The NCAA wants power back from the players. The big programs want the advantage again, the coaches want that advantage and dont want to spend all year recruiting which eliminated the spring portal and now Texas Tech is in a bad spot.
The only thing positive that could come from it is the schools and administrators keeping more money.
If they want to actually do something for college sports get rid of title 9. Theres no female equivalent of football, baseball rosters are almost double the size of softball rosters. dance teams are huge to off set the difference and wrestling programs can been dissolved
It will likely fail but if it were to get through it will have bad ramifications. Its about power, the schools all have tons of money. players get paid either way. Its only going to hurt the average players and the real goal is to stop letting them bring lawsuits
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Thankfully no one is using big words so I hope you’ve been able to follow along.
You’re right about the lawsuits but the athletes are less of a problem than the states.
I would support Title IX generally. Most of what it did is really good. When it’s thrown around here it’s focused on the “proportionality” standards. It would probably be best if there wasn’t formal discrimination that required a federal statute to prevent. You know… because that happened. Title IX really did much more but the stuff people complain about isn’t in the statute. the problem is that you can’t just carve that section out without replacing it. So it’s going nowhere because people can’t compromise on the methodology when everyone with a brain knows you just carve out football and problem solved. It’s a big joke and the dept of education isn’t going to change the standards anytime soon - they’re dinosaurs.
The states all make their own decisions and any state with a big program doesnt really care anyways. The NIL impacts HS more but theres a bunch of HS programs that operate like colleges recruiting across the country for football
I do agree the smartest thing would be eliminate football from title IX. I would eliminate baseball too because the rosters just arent the same and its not a discrimination issue. I have nothing against womens sports but wrestling programs getting eliminated because of it is a shame and I dont even like college wrestling. Theres plenty of schools like Nebraska Womens Volleyball, Iowa when Clark was there for basketball, LSU gymnastics. If its a good product people show up while mens sports have lost teams to stay in compliance
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I wouldn’t say it’s still true that the states make their own decisions anymore. That was the problem in fact. The decision last summer overlaid the states with federal control and now it just needs to be decided who’s gonna have those reigns. I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that it’s not gonna be the States. If SCORE passes the states will have been entirely neutered and honestly I’m looking forward to that. States with big programs actually care the most and that’s why AGs in those states have been suing the NCAA - see Tennessee. Virginia, Texas, Illinois, Missouri. These guys are swimming for the surface but it’s no use and the boosters funding this nonsense are just pissing money away - I’m also fine with that. I’m not getting those same “we don’t care” vibes. It seems more like crying while listening to break-up music. The states don’t care and big programs do whatever might have been the landscape a year ago but the House settlement with the NCAA last summer really shook things up. Here’s how it changed - that ruling added a federal layer on top of the states and who is at the controls is the thing being discussed. Not whether the States or the Schools will have power - never close the door but that boat left the dock.
As far as the high school landscape and NIL I think that’s a separate discussion. Nothing has changed other than it’s now in the open and more so as states allow it. NIL is certainly changing the recruiting landscape but it’s not directly related to the current turmoil at the college level.
Here’s how I would describe it. The States pushed this mess to the breaking point and the States with the big programs were the most aggressive. I bet they regret it. What remains to be seen is what impact Campbell can really have. I expect the NCAA to remain the governing body and the federal government will be involved to approve media rights frameworks and approve deals. The states can go back to being tough on whatever they want to be tough on.
What’s interesting is that the narrative on women’s sports has changed from lack of interest to under exposure. That’s given the proportional argument more teeth.
The Score act passing thats exactly what the issue would be. It would just take away power from the athletes and things that have happened will just go under the table again impacting the none super stars more. The states you mentioned there are politics involved which we shouldnt get into but its a power play either way. Illinois doesnt have a big program for football, theyve gotten better but its been a short run. Virginia doesnt have a football powerhouse either. VT the baseball program has been better than the football team, UVA is a baseball/lacrosse.basketball school. Tennessee Vandy while I like their coach they are a baseball school and the baseball team has been struggling in conference play this year
As far as the high school the states with the biggest recruits are the ones doing NIL which does impact college. The college level is certainly bigger when you had Ewers going to OSU for a year to make more money then going back to Texas when it was legalized.
For the women its really just a product issue. You have Volleyball teams that can get 50k, basketball teams that can average over 10k a game a year, softball teams that can get 2-3k a game in the SEC which are on the same networks the baseball and football teams are on. Softball gets over 10k for the womens college world series. If the products good people attend and watch, their success should be enjoyed but not something that requires mens sports to be eliminated
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