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Care to Guess the Grade: 1817 Half Dollar
WiscKau
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I'll let this run for about three days.
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VG08
O-111 ... and I agree with Rocket on this one ... VG08 seems right
Wholesome look
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
VG-10. O-111 has the die line coming from the end of the ribbon, barely visible on the OP coin.
Looks like David Kahn's photo setup too.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
Im in with vg 8 as well
VG 10 is my guess.
I agree with VG10
VG10. Like the coin.
Jim
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10
and 3 days is a long time
7 obverse, 10 reverse. Can easily live with a straight 8.
Ok
F 12
That coin is at least F-15. Go look at PCGS photo grade. The VG-8 has no eye visible on the obverse and none of
e-pluribus-unum on the reverse. Gold CAC candidate
Very nice VG8!
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I think VG8 is a fair grade; it misses a lot of the detail a F15 coin has, most particularly on the reverse.
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It's probably not F-15, but I definitely like it as a 10.
I was mistakenly looking at Capped Bust Quarters on Photo grade instead of Half dollars.
wow... I was going to say F12. That's one super nice VG!
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For tier-1 expert level grading bust halves, you need to account for portrait styles and design depth. That is why I count PCGS photograde nearly useless for the bust half series. The VG-8, VG-10, and F-12 examples have the higher relief 1830s portrait and weaker struck detail. 1817 has the lowest relief portrait of the series, so the design will wear differently. The F-15 they used an 1812/1 with a notorious bulging obverse die that weakened Miss Liberty's chin detail, when the reverse shows clearly VF detail.
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you" Matthew 6:33. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.
BHNC #AN-10
JRCS #1606
@TennesseeDave had recanted his F-15 further down ... HOWEVER ...
Striking characteristics are a big deal with CBH's, and as Chase @jacrispies aptly points out, 1817 represents one of the lowest relief's of the 10 major subtypes of CBH's, so the wear on this subtype will appear different than say an 1829.
Each of the subtypes has a slightly different relief level, and so understanding wear is slightly different from year to year. This is also true for specific Die Marriages, as some have stronger or weaker strike anomalies.
The coin shown is not a Fine, in my opinion. It is a strong and wholesome VG. I saw it as a either an 8 and a 10 (and was one of the first to respond as agreeing with the previous VG08 guess). In studying it again, I still agree with that.
One of those "either or's", but not higher (or lower).
YMMV
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
Todd - BHNC #242
As I said, a VG-7 obverse and a VG-10 reverse, that I would have no problem averaging out as a straight VG-8.