@NJCoin said:
But when they start claiming it isn't overpriced, because it's not available anywhere else for less, and then start pointing to odd eBay sales at huge premiums to the already inflated prices, I hope they are only trying to convince themselves, because they will never convince me.
Never is a long time. Were you ever convinced that all of the Flowing Hair silver medals were not struck as you claimed repeatedly over and over again for months?
Nobody here can purchase all of Daniel Carr pieces directly , if you had ever tried to you would know why. Even for some that were placed on the website, you can't do it without bots checking every second for a release and using those. Not unless someone wants to live in front of a computer screen constantly refreshing the webpage 24 hours a day.
I don't have a complete collection, as nobody can have that. It would involve many issues that nobody has ever seen lately. And without writing a novel about it, nobody will.
Why don't you just say that all of Daniel Carr pieces are overpriced, and leave it at that. There, the problem is solved. Daniel and all of these dealers have taken us for a ride, and we can't get off the train. Never mind that many of the pieces we all purchased actually sell for more than we paid. That is a moot point. lol
Facts don't matter today.
Yes, never is a very long time. Keep trying. Your incessant attempts really do look more like you are trying to convince yourself rather than me. After all, why else would you care what I think?
In an effort to get us back to our regularly scheduled programming 😉, here’s one of my favorite Carr pieces. This 43 Peace Dollar completed a year set I started as a kid. The high relief and great luster put the modern mint peace dollars to shame.
@NJCoin said:
But when they start claiming it isn't overpriced, because it's not available anywhere else for less, and then start pointing to odd eBay sales at huge premiums to the already inflated prices, I hope they are only trying to convince themselves, because they will never convince me.
Never is a long time. Were you ever convinced that all of the Flowing Hair silver medals were not struck as you claimed repeatedly over and over again for months?
Nobody here can purchase all of Daniel Carr pieces directly , if you had ever tried to you would know why. Even for some that were placed on the website, you can't do it without bots checking every second for a release and using those. Not unless someone wants to live in front of a computer screen constantly refreshing the webpage 24 hours a day.
I don't have a complete collection, as nobody can have that. It would involve many issues that nobody has ever seen lately. And without writing a novel about it, nobody will.
Why don't you just say that all of Daniel Carr pieces are overpriced, and leave it at that. There, the problem is solved. Daniel and all of these dealers have taken us for a ride, and we can't get off the train. Never mind that many of the pieces we all purchased actually sell for more than we paid. That is a moot point. lol
Facts don't matter today.
Yes, never is a very long time. Keep trying. Your incessant attempts really do look more like you are trying to convince yourself rather than me. After all, why else would you care what I think?
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You have been the most "prolific" poster on this topic.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with that.
But I don't think it is fair to label someone else as "incessant".
@steve_richardson said:
In an effort to get us back to our regularly scheduled programming 😉, here’s one of my favorite Carr pieces. This 43 Peace Dollar completed a year set I started as a kid. The high relief and great luster put the modern mint peace dollars to shame.
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Thanks for that.
That is the sort of thing that this thread should be all about.
@NJCoin said:
But when they start claiming it isn't overpriced, because it's not available anywhere else for less, and then start pointing to odd eBay sales at huge premiums to the already inflated prices, I hope they are only trying to convince themselves, because they will never convince me.
Never is a long time. Were you ever convinced that all of the Flowing Hair silver medals were not struck as you claimed repeatedly over and over again for months?
Nobody here can purchase all of Daniel Carr pieces directly , if you had ever tried to you would know why. Even for some that were placed on the website, you can't do it without bots checking every second for a release and using those. Not unless someone wants to live in front of a computer screen constantly refreshing the webpage 24 hours a day.
I don't have a complete collection, as nobody can have that. It would involve many issues that nobody has ever seen lately. And without writing a novel about it, nobody will.
Why don't you just say that all of Daniel Carr pieces are overpriced, and leave it at that. There, the problem is solved. Daniel and all of these dealers have taken us for a ride, and we can't get off the train. Never mind that many of the pieces we all purchased actually sell for more than we paid. That is a moot point. lol
Facts don't matter today.
Yes, never is a very long time. Keep trying. Your incessant attempts really do look more like you are trying to convince yourself rather than me. After all, why else would you care what I think?
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You have been the most "prolific" poster on this topic.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with that.
But I don't think it is fair to label someone else as "incessant".
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Just referring to their nonstop efforts to swing me to their point of view. I just respond incessantly. I don't post incessantly. Just observe how many threads I started.
@1776Coins said:
I'd like to thank Dan for NOT posting new coins to his site. It's really helped my budget and marriage. But I still look everyday just in case
Truth!
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One of my first collections was a Whitman "One-A-Year" nickel folder, which has since been moved into a Dansco album. Thanks to Dan, I was able to fill the spaces for 1933, 1932, and most recently 1922.
Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
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I assembled the following table from information on Dan's production blog:
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Reverse die information and mintage figures TBD for "IH" and "DI".
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
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I assembled the following table from information on Dan's production blog:
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Reverse die information and mintage figures TBD for "IH" and "DI".
Nothing will be issued independent of HSN. The whole value to HSN is the exclusivity.
Dan could never justify charging what HSN does, since he doesn't have their cost structure, and has also always been very reasonable in his pricing. He also can't undercut them. So it's just not going to happen.
@SPalladino said:
Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
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Dan could never justify charging what HSN does, since he doesn't have their cost structure, and has also always been very reasonable in his pricing. He also can't undercut them. So it's just not going to happen.
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Five die pairs listed in Dan's blog. HSN keeps saying only four in the series.
21 token produced of each of the two remaining die pairs.
So, the possibilities include:
a) HSN will have a series of five, despite saying on multiple occasions only four.
b) Dan produces and sells the fifth on his own.
c) The 21 coins already produced from the 5th die pair get melted (which makes their appearance in the blog thought provoking)
d) Dan does not sell the tokens produced by the 5th die pair, but instead, gifts them at a Moonlight Mint open house.
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
@SPalladino said:
Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
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Dan could never justify charging what HSN does, since he doesn't have their cost structure, and has also always been very reasonable in his pricing. He also can't undercut them. So it's just not going to happen.
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Five die pairs listed in Dan's blog. HSN keeps saying only four in the series.
21 token produced of each of the two remaining die pairs.
So, the possibilities include:
a) HSN will have a series of five, despite saying on multiple occasions only four.
b) Dan produces and sells the fifth on his own.
c) The 21 coins already produced from the 5th die pair get melted (which makes their appearance in the blog thought provoking)
d) Dan does not sell the tokens produced by the 5th die pair, but instead, gifts them at a Moonlight Mint open house.
Knowing Magic Mike, he is going to bless his loyal and rabid audience with a miracle 5th coin in order to suck another $250 out of their wallets, which they will be obligated to go along with in order to complete their sets. While he has been saying 4 coins recently, in the beginning he was teasing either 4 or 5 coins.
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Because, as I said, no way Dan can justify charging what Mike charges, and no way he is going to make Mike look bad by undercutting him. It's wishful thinking.
Not to mention, the whole pitch was "exclusive, only available here, from me." No way there is going to be another coin in the series available anywhere else, other than another Mike affiliated sales channel.
@NJCoin said:
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Daniel can probably sell the 5th coin ungraded for his regular price off of his website if they turn it down. I doubt HSN has exclusivity for silver eagles, and if it has a different privy mark then it is not one of the HSN coins.
@NJCoin said:
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Daniel can probably sell the 5th coin ungraded for his regular price off of his website if they turn it down. I doubt HSN has exclusivity for silver eagles, and if it has a different privy mark then it is not one of the HSN coins.
Respectfully disagree. Maybe @dcarr will provide a definitive answer, but I think that if there is a 5th coin, HSN will have it.
Exclusively. In an exclusive ANCAS First Strike MS70 slab. At an exclusive price.
Dan will continue do his thing, but dual dated 1776-2026 privy ASEs are Mike's exclusive thing. As he has made clear, breathlessly and repeatedly over the past few weeks.
@NJCoin said:
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Daniel can probably sell the 5th coin ungraded for his regular price off of his website if they turn it down. I doubt HSN has exclusivity for silver eagles, and if it has a different privy mark then it is not one of the HSN coins.
Respectfully disagree. Maybe @dcarr will provide a definitive answer, but I think that if there is a 5th coin, HSN will have it.
Exclusively. In an exclusive ANCAS First Strike MS70 slab. At an exclusive price.
Dan will continue do his thing, but dual dated 1776-2026 privy ASEs are Mike's exclusive thing. As he has made clear, breathlessly and repeatedly over the past few weeks.
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Your thesis is reasonable conjecture, but entirely conjecture none-the-less.
The remaining issuance has not yet been fully determined.
That will be up to HSN/CSN.
@SPalladino said:
Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
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I assembled the following table from information on Dan's production blog:
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Reverse die information and mintage figures TBD for "IH" and "DI".
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My camera has broken.
I will post new images of the die characteristics after my replacement camera arrives (next week).
I have had trouble with die cracks on the Eagle dies.
Eagle dies A, C, and D all have similar die cracks from the beak to the "ESD" initials.
The Eagle's beak was apparently causing a stress concentration.
So I modified the contours of the Eagle's beak for Eagle Die E.
So far, that die has not cracked. But it is still relatively young.
A US 300th anniversary (or 250th works too) penny, nickel, and half-dollar would sure be nice. Silver naturally.
Can you imagine a SILVER Lincoln wheat penny 1776-2076!
Most of us won't be around for the 300th anniversary, it would be nice to get our hands on it while we can.
@NJCoin said:
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Daniel can probably sell the 5th coin ungraded for his regular price off of his website if they turn it down. I doubt HSN has exclusivity for silver eagles, and if it has a different privy mark then it is not one of the HSN coins.
Respectfully disagree. Maybe @dcarr will provide a definitive answer, but I think that if there is a 5th coin, HSN will have it.
Exclusively. In an exclusive ANCAS First Strike MS70 slab. At an exclusive price.
Dan will continue do his thing, but dual dated 1776-2026 privy ASEs are Mike's exclusive thing. As he has made clear, breathlessly and repeatedly over the past few weeks.
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Your thesis is reasonable conjecture, but entirely conjecture none-the-less.
The remaining issuance has not yet been fully determined.
That will be up to HSN/CSN.
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Right. As I conjectured, "there may or may not be a 5th coin." That said, is there any chance in the world that if HSN doesn't want a 5th coin, they will allow you to go on and continue the series without them?
As I said, I just don't see that happening, for the reasons I set forth above. It would destroy their exclusivity for the series, and put you in a very uncomfortable box regarding pricing. There are an infinite number of things you can create for us that don't involve dual date 1776-2026 ASEs with privy marks, so I just don't see the need for you to go there.
@dcarr said:
My camera has broken.
I will post new images of the die characteristics after my replacement camera arrives (next week).
I have had trouble with die cracks on the Eagle dies.
Eagle dies A, C, and D all have similar die cracks from the beak to the "ESD" initials.
The Eagle's beak was apparently causing a stress concentration.
So I modified the contours of the Eagle's beak for Eagle Die E.
So far, that die has not cracked. But it is still relatively young.
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Thank you for the reply and this added information.
I have updated the grid, based on the additional information:
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Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
I feel like an addict. I keep coming here, same time, same bat channel, hoping Dan's dropped another set of coins for sale on his web site. Show me the money!
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
@1776Coins said:
I feel like an addict. I keep coming here, same time, same bat channel, hoping Dan's dropped another set of coins for sale on his web site. Show me the money!
After striking about 20,000 coins one by one for the past few weeks he is probably in the Bahamas drinking a cold one on the beach.
@NJCoin said:
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
@NJCoin said:
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
You seem so worried for us.
Here is the latest Ebay sale.
Not at all. Just calling balls and strikes.
Thanks for the eBay update. Nice to see there are still some suckers willing to pay $367.01 for one when they could have 3 for $650.00, including free shipping. The fact that CSN is offering quantity at this price tells us all we need to know. Except, apparently, you.
Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't understand why Mike isn't selling them for $367.01 each on eBay, if the market is really there? Or why you don't clean Mike out and do the same? Seems like a very healthy markup opportunity to me.
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
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The US Constitution privy only aired on HSN TV for one day (as claimed).
Was it ever stated that they would only be available via website(s) on that one day only ?
PS:
I think the use of the derogatory/inflammatory term "fanboys" (at least twice now) is unnecessary.
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
Please go 'chase an ambulance' or something. This was a pleasant thread to visit, not anymore, cuz of you.
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
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The US Constitution privy only aired on HSN TV for one day (as claimed).
Was it ever stated that they would only be available via website(s) on that one day only ?
PS:
I think the use of the derogatory/inflammatory term "fanboys" (at least twice now) is unnecessary.
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Yes. Hyperbole is Mike's specialty. He repeatedly stated during the day that it was exclusive to HSN, "today only." "This is the wholesale price, I have dealers ordering multiples, never see it anywhere else for less" etc.
FWIW, I too am a Dan Carr fanboy. So I'm sorry if you consider the term derogatory or inflammatory, because it was not meant to be. All I meant is that some people who love your stuff are turning a blind eye to what Mike Mezack and HSN are in the world of numismatics.
Also, FWIW, you've got the Chopper on late night satellite TV selling what sure looks like your off center Peace Dollar overstrikes as genuine US Mint errors. 1922 MS69, only $199 plus shipping. Similar errors sell for tens of thousands of dollars at auction.
People who know, know better, but, by and large, they are not the people buying coins from TV.
I know it's not you, and you happen to be extremely ethical in how you conduct your direct to consumer sales. But, these are the people you are in business with, and it's how they are representing your product, albeit without attaching your name to the presentation. But it's honestly no different from people buying Chinese counterfeits on AliExpress and representing them as genuine on eBay.
Mike did not simply imply the Constitution overstrike would only be available on HSN, and only on the day, he explicitly stated it, over and over and over again. But then again, he explicitly states lots of things on TV that are not true. People here have consistently recognized that over the years, other than, apparently, when it comes to selling your stuff.
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
Please go 'chase an ambulance' or something. This was a pleasant thread to visit, not anymore, cuz of you.
@NJCoin said:
But I can. You would be able to as well if only you took your blinders off.
Don't bother those who are up at bat, learn how to umpire.
I know how to umpire. Unfortunately for some of you guys, you don't really understand what you are swinging at on HSN. Just like everyone else who steps up to the plate at HSN.
You think you, and this, are exceptions to the general HSN rule. But you, and this, are not.
@steve_richardson said:
In an effort to get us back to our regularly scheduled programming 😉, here’s one of my favorite Carr pieces. This 43 Peace Dollar completed a year set I started as a kid. The high relief and great luster put the modern mint peace dollars to shame.
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Very cool! I have completed similar sets for 1975 and 1979 (below), but only recently thought about doing something like you have with Dan's Peace tokens.
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Nice toning on the 1975 Ike, BTW:
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
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Yeah, well, it went mainstream along with Dan.
Yes, never is a very long time. Keep trying. Your incessant attempts really do look more like you are trying to convince yourself rather than me. After all, why else would you care what I think?
In an effort to get us back to our regularly scheduled programming 😉, here’s one of my favorite Carr pieces. This 43 Peace Dollar completed a year set I started as a kid. The high relief and great luster put the modern mint peace dollars to shame.
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You have been the most "prolific" poster on this topic.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with that.
But I don't think it is fair to label someone else as "incessant".
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Thanks for that.
That is the sort of thing that this thread should be all about.
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Just referring to their nonstop efforts to swing me to their point of view. I just respond incessantly. I don't post incessantly. Just observe how many threads I started.
I'd like to thank Dan for NOT posting new coins to his site. It's really helped my budget and marriage. But I still look everyday just in case
Truth!
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Speaking of sets started as a kid --
One of my first collections was a Whitman "One-A-Year" nickel folder, which has since been moved into a Dansco album. Thanks to Dan, I was able to fill the spaces for 1933, 1932, and most recently 1922.
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How about a totally unique (albeit damaged) Daniel Carr piece?
Z
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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Yeah, I'm trying to derail the previous several conversations.
Z
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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Great idea!
That would especially be a great use of an impaired token (tarnished, cleaned, etc.).
How about another?
Z
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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Wonder how many others destroyed their Buffalo Nickel Centennial Rounds
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It's a 'thing' . . . .
. . . . or is it a 'thang' . . . . ?
Z
Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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Next issue in the series apparently on/near July 4.
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I can't discern whether it will be "IH" or "DI". The TV presentations still say "four in the series". I'm wondering if Dan will release one on the Moonlight mint site, independent of HSN?
.
I assembled the following table from information on Dan's production blog:
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Reverse die information and mintage figures TBD for "IH" and "DI".
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Nothing will be issued independent of HSN. The whole value to HSN is the exclusivity.
Dan could never justify charging what HSN does, since he doesn't have their cost structure, and has also always been very reasonable in his pricing. He also can't undercut them. So it's just not going to happen.
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Five die pairs listed in Dan's blog. HSN keeps saying only four in the series.
21 token produced of each of the two remaining die pairs.
So, the possibilities include:
a) HSN will have a series of five, despite saying on multiple occasions only four.
b) Dan produces and sells the fifth on his own.
c) The 21 coins already produced from the 5th die pair get melted (which makes their appearance in the blog thought provoking)
d) Dan does not sell the tokens produced by the 5th die pair, but instead, gifts them at a Moonlight Mint open house.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Knowing Magic Mike, he is going to bless his loyal and rabid audience with a miracle 5th coin in order to suck another $250 out of their wallets, which they will be obligated to go along with in order to complete their sets. While he has been saying 4 coins recently, in the beginning he was teasing either 4 or 5 coins.
There may or may not be a 5th coin. But, if there is, you can take it to the bank that it will only be available from Mike.
Because, as I said, no way Dan can justify charging what Mike charges, and no way he is going to make Mike look bad by undercutting him. It's wishful thinking.
Not to mention, the whole pitch was "exclusive, only available here, from me." No way there is going to be another coin in the series available anywhere else, other than another Mike affiliated sales channel.
Daniel can probably sell the 5th coin ungraded for his regular price off of his website if they turn it down. I doubt HSN has exclusivity for silver eagles, and if it has a different privy mark then it is not one of the HSN coins.
Respectfully disagree. Maybe @dcarr will provide a definitive answer, but I think that if there is a 5th coin, HSN will have it.
Exclusively. In an exclusive ANCAS First Strike MS70 slab. At an exclusive price.
Dan will continue do his thing, but dual dated 1776-2026 privy ASEs are Mike's exclusive thing. As he has made clear, breathlessly and repeatedly over the past few weeks.
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Your thesis is reasonable conjecture, but entirely conjecture none-the-less.
The remaining issuance has not yet been fully determined.
That will be up to HSN/CSN.
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My camera has broken.
I will post new images of the die characteristics after my replacement camera arrives (next week).
I have had trouble with die cracks on the Eagle dies.
Eagle dies A, C, and D all have similar die cracks from the beak to the "ESD" initials.
The Eagle's beak was apparently causing a stress concentration.
So I modified the contours of the Eagle's beak for Eagle Die E.
So far, that die has not cracked. But it is still relatively young.
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A US 300th anniversary (or 250th works too) penny, nickel, and half-dollar would sure be nice. Silver naturally.
Can you imagine a SILVER Lincoln wheat penny 1776-2076!
Most of us won't be around for the 300th anniversary, it would be nice to get our hands on it while we can.
Right. As I conjectured, "there may or may not be a 5th coin." That said, is there any chance in the world that if HSN doesn't want a 5th coin, they will allow you to go on and continue the series without them?
As I said, I just don't see that happening, for the reasons I set forth above. It would destroy their exclusivity for the series, and put you in a very uncomfortable box regarding pricing. There are an infinite number of things you can create for us that don't involve dual date 1776-2026 ASEs with privy marks, so I just don't see the need for you to go there.
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Thank you for the reply and this added information.
I have updated the grid, based on the additional information:
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- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
"May 22nd One Day Only HSN Sale" of Constitution ASE$ continues with a better 3 pack price right now, May 30th on CSN:
https://csnmint.com/1776-2026-silver-eagle-overstrike-constitution-privy-ms70-1.html
Happy Shopping !
I feel like an addict. I keep coming here, same time, same bat channel, hoping Dan's dropped another set of coins for sale on his web site. Show me the money!
Shocking, given the quantities they made!!! Simply shocking!!!
Where is @HalfDime when we need him to report on outlier eBay sales and the unparalleled value offered by Mike when he sells Dan Carr overstrikes on TV?
Guess Mike was full of it, and they weren't a one day, one time only exclusive. And that they aren't destroying everything they couldn't sell on that one day, in order to preserve the value for those who bought, huh?
Selling on TV dictated that they make so many, to be sold at such a high price, that it's virtually guaranteed that these will not hold their value. Which is what I have been saying, and getting blasted by the fanboys for saying, from the outset. I just didn't think you'd be seeing it less than two weeks later.
Which can only mean that Mike is sitting on so many of them that he doesn't care how it looks, and he just needs to turn them into cash. Wonder why he doesn't just melt them, like he said he was doing with the significant percentage that ANACS did not deem to be absolutely perfect?
Don't be shocked if you see them "on sale" the next time he's on HSN. Second and last chance in case you missed it!
After striking about 20,000 coins one by one for the past few weeks he is probably in the Bahamas drinking a cold one on the beach.
You seem so worried for us.
Here is the latest Ebay sale.
Not at all. Just calling balls and strikes.
Thanks for the eBay update. Nice to see there are still some suckers willing to pay $367.01 for one when they could have 3 for $650.00, including free shipping. The fact that CSN is offering quantity at this price tells us all we need to know. Except, apparently, you.
Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't understand why Mike isn't selling them for $367.01 each on eBay, if the market is really there? Or why you don't clean Mike out and do the same? Seems like a very healthy markup opportunity to me.
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The US Constitution privy only aired on HSN TV for one day (as claimed).
Was it ever stated that they would only be available via website(s) on that one day only ?
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I think the use of the derogatory/inflammatory term "fanboys" (at least twice now) is unnecessary.
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Please go 'chase an ambulance' or something. This was a pleasant thread to visit, not anymore, cuz of you.
fka renman95, Sep 2005, 7,000 posts
Constitution ASE $ at HSN this morning, June 3 linky:
https://www.hsn.com/products/26-ms70-anacs-silver-eagle-daniel-carr-constitution-pri/23906841
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Flag Privy HSN Link:
https://www.hsn.com/products/2026-ms70-anacs-silver-eagle-with-daniel-carr-flag-priv/23924155
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Minuteman Privy HSN:
https://www.hsn.com/products/2026-denver-mint-silver-eagle-daniel-carr-dual-date-ove/23891527
No HSN news on the next one or two ASE $ dual date privy uncs to complete this set.
Yes. Hyperbole is Mike's specialty. He repeatedly stated during the day that it was exclusive to HSN, "today only." "This is the wholesale price, I have dealers ordering multiples, never see it anywhere else for less" etc.
FWIW, I too am a Dan Carr fanboy. So I'm sorry if you consider the term derogatory or inflammatory, because it was not meant to be. All I meant is that some people who love your stuff are turning a blind eye to what Mike Mezack and HSN are in the world of numismatics.
Also, FWIW, you've got the Chopper on late night satellite TV selling what sure looks like your off center Peace Dollar overstrikes as genuine US Mint errors. 1922 MS69, only $199 plus shipping. Similar errors sell for tens of thousands of dollars at auction.
People who know, know better, but, by and large, they are not the people buying coins from TV.
I know it's not you, and you happen to be extremely ethical in how you conduct your direct to consumer sales. But, these are the people you are in business with, and it's how they are representing your product, albeit without attaching your name to the presentation. But it's honestly no different from people buying Chinese counterfeits on AliExpress and representing them as genuine on eBay.
Mike did not simply imply the Constitution overstrike would only be available on HSN, and only on the day, he explicitly stated it, over and over and over again. But then again, he explicitly states lots of things on TV that are not true. People here have consistently recognized that over the years, other than, apparently, when it comes to selling your stuff.
There is your problem, you can't call balls and strikes from the peanut stands.
But I can. You would be able to as well if only you took your blinders off.
Don't bother those who are up at bat, learn how to umpire.
EZ enough to block. Will be my 2nd on CU.
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Busy chasing Carr's . . . . . woof!
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I know how to umpire. Unfortunately for some of you guys, you don't really understand what you are swinging at on HSN. Just like everyone else who steps up to the plate at HSN.
You think you, and this, are exceptions to the general HSN rule. But you, and this, are not.
I have updated my catalog pages to show the characteristics of the various privy-mark dies used (so far):
moonlightmint.com/blog_2.htm
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Very cool! I have completed similar sets for 1975 and 1979 (below), but only recently thought about doing something like you have with Dan's Peace tokens.
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Nice toning on the 1975 Ike, BTW:
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
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Thank you!
Are there any markers that help distinguish Reverse A and B when in a "before die crack" state?
Same question for Reverses C and D?
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
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Before the cracks, A and B were identical, no distinguishable difference.
Before the cracks, C and D were identical, no distinguishable difference.
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A big price for a Norse medal by auction on Ebay.
Mine is still in original flip.