@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
I have heard about a law that bans living people from being on U.S. coins, is that a thing or am I misinform
According to AI:
Rare Exceptions (Commemorative Coins)
While no living person has ever appeared on money meant for daily spending, Congress has authorized a few exceptions for non-circulating commemorative coins. Only six living people have appeared on official U.S. coins in history:
Governor Thomas E. Kilby (1921 Alabama Centennial half dollar)
President Calvin Coolidge (1926 Sesquicentennial half dollar - the only sitting/living U.S. president to appear on a coin)
Senator Carter Glass (1946 Lynchburg half dollar)
Eunice Kennedy Shriver (1995 Special Olympics commemorative silver dollar)
Nancy Reagan (2005 First Spouse gold coin - her husband, President Ronald Reagan, was deceased, making her the exception to the rule)
Shimon Peres (2014 Congressional Gold Medal - Note: medals are distinct from legal tender coins)
I'm not sure this coin would be any different than Coolidge's coin.
You forgot the Arkansas- Robinson half.
The medal doesn’t count.
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When the living and then current president Calvin Coolidge was put on the Sesquicentennial commemorative half dollar, I wonder if there was as much hysteria as there is now concerning Trump being on a coin.
Calvin Coolidge (nicknamed "Silent Cal") himself probably didn't say much, quiet as he was. The story goes that when the news came out that Calvin Coolidge had died, wit Dorothy Parker wondered, "How can they tell?"
@HalfDime said:
The only comparable coin by size I could come up with is the 2017 20 ounce silver Britannia coin.
Size 100.0000 mm
Mass 625.2000 g
Thickness 8 mm
This is close to the 19.7 toy ounce amount they claim for this coin, which is about 613 grams.
100 mm is about 3.9 inches diameter.
The 5 ounce silver quarters had a diameter of 3 inches. 4 mm thickness. So twice as thick as the 5 ounce silver quarters, and a nearly four inch diameter.
PS 20 troy ounces is about 1.4 pounds, which is quite heavy to carry around the neck. A very strong chain would be required.
Did you allow for the much higher density of gold? If that much silver is 8 mm thick, then that much gold should be approx. 4 mm thick.
More likely they would reduce the diameter from four inches to three or even 2-1/2, and increase the thickness.
Seems like they'd just use the press/equipment they already have set to make 3" bronze medals, a 3" gold coin seems like it could have $90k worth of gold.
Also agree that based on the Mint's recent practices, with a mintage of only 47 all will be sent to PCGS and all will be sold on Stacks/Bowers. Too bad for the average collector I guess.
Based on current spot the gold value would be nearly $90,000. No idea on what the mint markup for this will be, but I'm not sure how many "average collectors" will be anything more than observers for this issue.
@SanctionII said:
I remember 1976 and the celebrations of our country's 200th birthday. I remember nationwide activities (big and small) taking place all over the country (schools, churches, cities, counties, states, etc. including parades, speeches, picnics, pagents, musical performances, etc.) during the second half of 1975 (after birthday # 199 on 7-4-1975) through 7-4-1976 (and beyond).
Fast forward to today and it does not seem that the same amount of attention and focus is being placed on birthday #250.
Maybe the attitude of the population of our country in 1976 was much more supportive of the USA than it is today. It seems like a large portion of the population of our country today views the USA negatively (regardless of which political party occupies the White House and controls Congress).
Or maybe today the barrage of information/data being provided to the public is excessive and often negative, thus it seems that support for the USA is on the wane (with the reality being that the majority of the population of the country is of the mind that they would never choose to live anywhere else because of the freedom, liberty and opportunity that they have here).
Happy birthday #250 USA!!!!!!!
It's partly because they started in 1973.
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Yea, don't think so. There is NO interest here in the 'burbs. Also, none of the cited examples are really similar in that this is a devoted Birthday Coin for "47". Not even close.
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@RedRocket said:
Growing up I never expected I'd run into coin collectors who hate this country.
Your reading it wrong it is not the country people hate but one SPECIFIC person we are simply poking fun at (for some of his actions). Hating a whole country that is one heck of a stretch you came up with and not real at all not even close.
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@RedRocket said:
Growing up I never expected I'd run into coin collectors who hate this country.
The tacit practice here is that one may snidely discuss Trump — without fear of reprisal. Eventually, maybe, the thread will be locked. But it’s still not helpful to suggest that some collectors hate the country.
@RedRocket said:
Growing up I never expected I'd run into coin collectors who hate this country.
The tacit practice here is that one may snidely discuss Trump — without fear of reprisal. Eventually, maybe, the thread will be locked. But it’s still not helpful to suggest that some collectors hate the country.
Really? When did the moderators decide that? Just because no one has managed to get jailed or banned on this thread (yet), doesn't mean that political discussions are suddenly allowed on this forum.
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@coinkat said:
The Lynchburg Commem featuring Carter Glass was minted in 1936… not 1946. We also had FDR among two others that were issued on a 1936 silver peso commemorative coin for the Philippines.
And those Philippines coins said UNITED STATES OF AMERICA on them. Could be argued either way.
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If your politics colors your view of the appropriateness of minting a coin depicting a sitting a president, you may want to consider how you would feel if a different recent president that you disagree with was depicted instead. If your opinion changes, perhaps you should reconsider your thought process.
I don’t want to see any living president on a coin - regardless of party affiliation or accomplishments. It’s a practice largely associated with monarchies and we aren’t a monarchy.
@Rc5280 said:
Even more telling, are some of the comments posted here. Very telling.
which is why we've gotten along so much better as politics talk had slowed to a trickle
Not sure that entails getting along so much. I believe many choose to avoid that minefield, altogether. Simply because a greater majority find that politics and politicians all pretty much suck the life out of all of us. Fighting like schoolchildren , along with egos that get all butt hurt over the silliest things. I think most adults are pretty fed up with petty politicians thinking they’re all that; when theyre actually lousy representatives of all citizens.
@Project Numismatics said:
If your politics colors your view of the appropriateness of minting a coin depicting a sitting a president, you may want to consider how you would feel if a different recent president that you disagree with was depicted instead. If your opinion changes, perhaps you should reconsider your thought process.
I don’t want to see any living president on a coin - regardless of party affiliation or accomplishments. It’s a practice largely associated with monarchies and we aren’t a monarchy.
Fantastic post. I would just add that in a perfect world I don't want to see ANY president, living or dead, on coins. I like depictions of Liberty and Eagles or more commem/state quarter style designs.
@RedRocket said:
Growing up I never expected I'd run into coin collectors who hate this country.
IMO, I don’t think I’m being “political” to point out just how troubling it is that many now conflate/equate criticism and/or dislike of ANY elected individual (regardless of party….) with a hatred of this country.
I thought we decided to cease bending a knee to monarchs and politicians 250 years ago. After all, criticism and ridicule of a monarch was the spark that gave birth to our country and our constitution.
Happy 250th to all of us, and our thanks to those who gave everything in order to maintain our freedom.
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Let's get back to coins and the coin hobby in general.
These threads are destined to arouse emotions and opinions that don't lead anywhere productively and it is highly unlikely anyone would change their political minds regardless.
@Rc5280 said:
Very telling, a lawsuit coming from a "retired Oregon attorney arguing it violates longstanding restrictions on depicting living individuals on U.S. currency. That challenge was unsuccessful."
Even more telling, are some of the comments posted here. Very telling.
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Which and in what way are they telling? Please be specific and do tell............
@RedRocket said:
Growing up I never expected I'd run into coin collectors who hate this country.
IMO, I don’t think I’m being “political” to point out just how troubling it is that many now conflate/equate criticism and/or dislike of ANY elected individual (regardless of party….) with a hatred of this country.
I thought we decided to cease bending a knee to monarchs and politicians 250 years ago. After all, criticism and ridicule of a monarch was the spark that gave birth to our country and our constitution.
Happy 250th to all of us, and our thanks to those who gave everything in order to maintain our freedom.
Agree.
While I'm pretty sure his remarks were self-serving, I still like Teddy Roosevelt's words:
There is a distinct difference between criticism of the president and utter distain demonstrated with the name calling and smear campaigns.
President Roosevelt experienced much criticism during his three-term run- most notably when he attempted to realign the Supreme Court.
Criticizing policy and substance is what he is referring too in the above meme.
Not calling our current president a Cheetos-stained decrepit imbecile.
An example closer to home.
You may strongly dislike a PCGS policy and state so here on this board.
You go much too far if you personally call out the PCGS president and attack him relentlessly.
@RedRocket said:
There is a distinct difference between criticism of the president and utter distain demonstrated with the name calling and smear campaigns.
President Roosevelt experienced much criticism during his three-term run- most notably when he attempted to realign the Supreme Court.
Criticizing policy and substance is what he is referring too in the above meme.
Not calling our current president a Cheetos-stained decrepit imbecile.
An example closer to home.
You may strongly dislike a PCGS policy and state so here on this board.
You go much too far if you personally call out the PCGS president and attack him relentlessly.
I don't think anyone here is attacking the person, as much as some of us may not like him.
We are attacking having the face of the current "monarch" on our money. Big difference.
It doesn't matter who the current monarch is, or who it will be in the future. It's the idea that we are opposed to.
But the current monarch seems to think it's his right to have his image blasted over everything.
BTW, I am fine with a $250 bill, though I think a big portion of the American public will have some difficulty with it.
@RedRocket said:
There is a distinct difference between criticism of the president and utter distain demonstrated with the name calling and smear campaigns.
President Roosevelt experienced much criticism during his three-term run- most notably when he attempted to realign the Supreme Court.
Criticizing policy and substance is what he is referring too in the above meme.
Not calling our current president a Cheetos-stained decrepit imbecile.
An example closer to home.
You may strongly dislike a PCGS policy and state so here on this board.
You go much too far if you personally call out the PCGS president and attack him relentlessly.
I don't think anyone here is attacking the person, as much as some of us may not like him.
We are attacking having the face of the current "monarch" on our money. Big difference.
It doesn't matter who the current monarch is, or who it will be in the future. It's the idea that we are opposed to.
If you're honest with yourself though, even though the 19.7oz gold coin may be legal tender it will in no way be money or ever used in commerce.
But the current monarch seems to think it's his right to have his image blasted over everything.
There are perks to being president and that's one of them. I won't begrudge anyone holding one of the most difficult jobs in our government from taking advantage of this employee benefit.
On a side note, this is a coin that will have a mintage of 47 and cost over $100,000.
Presumably virtually no one here could ever own one for those reasons alone. Maybe you could see one in a museum someday.
It will be a bit of numismatic trivia, i.e. largest denomination US coin, most expensive issue price, largest US coin, etc. It will make for a good clue on Jeopardy! some day.
I'm not sure how much time people really need to spend thinking about it, regardless of how they feel about its issuance.
@illini420 said:
Perhaps the sale will be rigged so that all 47 end up on display in the future Trump Presidential Library in Miami??
Perhaps the future Presidential Library will be allowed to purchase all 47 pieces at their face value, whatever that might be, regardless of the value of their gold content.
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BTW, I am fine with a $250 bill, though I think a big portion of the American public will have some difficulty with it.
Me too. I remember when I was a cashier at a national grocery chain starting in the early 80's when I seldom saw $100s because it was legitimately a good sum for most people. Today, it doesn't buy "squat". I just had my oil changed this morning for $99 + tax.
I don’t want to see any living president on a coin - regardless of party affiliation or accomplishments. It’s a practice largely associated with monarchies and we aren’t a monarchy.
I'd rather not see any Presidents, it's a good time to get back to some classy attractive coins. Turn a modern St. Gaudens and Weinman loose and make coins attractive again.
The same goes for notes, we've had some amazing notes in the past but there may be some technical challenges with the anti-counterfeiting there.
@RiveraFamilyCollect said:
I have heard about a law that bans living people from being on U.S. coins, is that a thing or am I misinform
According to AI:
Rare Exceptions (Commemorative Coins)
While no living person has ever appeared on money meant for daily spending, Congress has authorized a few exceptions for non-circulating commemorative coins. Only six living people have appeared on official U.S. coins in history:
Governor Thomas E. Kilby (1921 Alabama Centennial half dollar)
President Calvin Coolidge (1926 Sesquicentennial half dollar - the only sitting/living U.S. president to appear on a coin)
Senator Carter Glass (1946 Lynchburg half dollar)
Eunice Kennedy Shriver (1995 Special Olympics commemorative silver dollar)
Nancy Reagan (2005 First Spouse gold coin - her husband, President Ronald Reagan, was deceased, making her the exception to the rule)
Shimon Peres (2014 Congressional Gold Medal - Note: medals are distinct from legal tender coins)
I'm not sure this coin would be any different than Coolidge's coin.
Will the coin be available in the coveted Advanced Release label? Will there be First Day of Issue and First Release? Will they be divided by different grading companies? Will there be many 70's? Would you send one in to see if it would bean? Will this be limited to just mint state or will there be a proof as well? How about a RP finish? Would you buy one for each grandkid? Is this just the beginning of a long running series? And most importantly, would you keep it or flip it? Hmmm, maybe it could be used as a flipping coin in sports events...could someone help me flip this?
@Onastone said:
Will the coin be available in the coveted Advanced Release label? Will there be First Day of Issue and First Release? Will they be divided by different grading companies? Will there be many 70's? Would you send one in to see if it would bean? Will this be limited to just mint state or will there be a proof as well? How about a RP finish? Would you buy one for each grandkid? Is this just the beginning of a long running series? And most importantly, would you keep it or flip it? Hmmm, maybe it could be used as a flipping coin in sports events...could someone help me flip this?
Perhaps the District of Columbia will use them for manhole covers?
Can’t see them using one for the Super Bowl coin toss. Imagine if it came down on one of the Team Captains’ feet, breaking a toe and keeping him from playing!
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The U.S. Mint certainly has the capability to strike these coins without going through the lathing process. The ATB 5 ozt quarters were 3 in in diameter and were struck using CNC individually engraved dies (as opposed to hubbed) using presses bought specifically for the series.This is why they were produced only at the head mint. Presumably they still have the presses. Gold is much softer than silver, so a single prolonged strike should do the job, unless the relief is excessively high.
Aside from the technical details, I wish they wouldn't produce these. I support Trump, but I don't support him appearing on a legal tender coin. George Washington (our actual greatest president) set a precedent. That precedent is simply that the current president does not belong on our coinage because it is a monarchical practice. I don't believe any president, no matter if I support their policies or not, should break the precedent set by the father of our country. Non legal tender medals, on the other hand, are fair game (and are regularly issued for presidents, living and dead).
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@SanctionII said:
I remember 1976 and the celebrations of our country's 200th birthday. I remember nationwide activities (big and small) taking place all over the country (schools, churches, cities, counties, states, etc. including parades, speeches, picnics, pagents, musical performances, etc.) during the second half of 1975 (after birthday # 199 on 7-4-1975) through 7-4-1976 (and beyond).
Fast forward to today and it does not seem that the same amount of attention and focus is being placed on birthday #250.
Maybe the attitude of the population of our country in 1976 was much more supportive of the USA than it is today. It seems like a large portion of the population of our country today views the USA negatively (regardless of which political party occupies the White House and controls Congress).
Or maybe today the barrage of information/data being provided to the public is excessive and often negative, thus it seems that support for the USA is on the wane (with the reality being that the majority of the population of the country is of the mind that they would never choose to live anywhere else because of the freedom, liberty and opportunity that they have here).
Happy birthday #250 USA!!!!!!!
Do you remember who was president in 1976? There is the difference.
Gerald Ford, who became vice president and president without winning an election (interesting trivia). He also lost the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter.
Every president is different; and each has supporters and detractors.
The current president will be gone in a little over 2.5 years; will likely lose Congress this November and will likely be impeached in his final two years multiple times.
Whoever replaces him will likely experience similar things.
@Onastone said:
Will the coin be available in the coveted Advanced Release label? Will there be First Day of Issue and First Release? Will they be divided by different grading companies? Will there be many 70's? Would you send one in to see if it would bean? Will this be limited to just mint state or will there be a proof as well? How about a RP finish? Would you buy one for each grandkid? Is this just the beginning of a long running series? And most importantly, would you keep it or flip it? Hmmm, maybe it could be used as a flipping coin in sports events...could someone help me flip this?
Perhaps the District of Columbia will use them for manhole covers?
Can’t see them using one for the Super Bowl coin toss. Imagine if it came down on one of the Team Captains’ feet, breaking a toe and keeping him from playing!
I laughed so hard at this, wanted to hit the LOL button twice!
@DesertCoin said:
The U.S. Mint certainly has the capability to strike these coins without going through the lathing process. The ATB 5 ozt quarters were 3 in in diameter and were struck using CNC individually engraved dies (as opposed to hubbed) using presses bought specifically for the series.This is why they were produced only at the head mint. Presumably they still have the presses. Gold is much softer than silver, so a single prolonged strike should do the job, unless the relief is excessively high.
Aside from the technical details, I wish they wouldn't produce these. I support Trump, but I don't support him appearing on a legal tender coin. George Washington (our actual greatest president) set a precedent. That precedent is simply that the current president does not belong on our coinage because it is a monarchical practice. I don't believe any president, no matter if I support their policies or not, should break the precedent set by the father of our country. Non legal tender medals, on the other hand, are fair game (and are regularly issued for presidents, living and dead).
Damn that Coolidge.
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@SanctionII said:
I remember 1976 and the celebrations of our country's 200th birthday. I remember nationwide activities (big and small) taking place all over the country (schools, churches, cities, counties, states, etc. including parades, speeches, picnics, pagents, musical performances, etc.) during the second half of 1975 (after birthday # 199 on 7-4-1975) through 7-4-1976 (and beyond).
Fast forward to today and it does not seem that the same amount of attention and focus is being placed on birthday #250.
Maybe the attitude of the population of our country in 1976 was much more supportive of the USA than it is today. It seems like a large portion of the population of our country today views the USA negatively (regardless of which political party occupies the White House and controls Congress).
Or maybe today the barrage of information/data being provided to the public is excessive and often negative, thus it seems that support for the USA is on the wane (with the reality being that the majority of the population of the country is of the mind that they would never choose to live anywhere else because of the freedom, liberty and opportunity that they have here).
Happy birthday #250 USA!!!!!!!
Do you remember who was president in 1976? There is the difference.
Disagree.
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I'm going to wait on the Trump US Mint gold toilet seat, plenty of room to make an art deco masterpiece of the top surface, and who will look at the bottom other than the cleaning lady and real aficionados?
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Way out of my price range. I'll have to be satisfied with my golden Trump phone.
You forgot the Arkansas- Robinson half.
The medal doesn’t count.
Calvin Coolidge (nicknamed "Silent Cal") himself probably didn't say much, quiet as he was. The story goes that when the news came out that Calvin Coolidge had died, wit Dorothy Parker wondered, "How can they tell?"
Seems like they'd just use the press/equipment they already have set to make 3" bronze medals, a 3" gold coin seems like it could have $90k worth of gold.
Also agree that based on the Mint's recent practices, with a mintage of only 47 all will be sent to PCGS and all will be sold on Stacks/Bowers. Too bad for the average collector I guess.
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Based on current spot the gold value would be nearly $90,000. No idea on what the mint markup for this will be, but I'm not sure how many "average collectors" will be anything more than observers for this issue.
It's partly because they started in 1973.
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Yea, don't think so. There is NO interest here in the 'burbs. Also, none of the cited examples are really similar in that this is a devoted Birthday Coin for "47". Not even close.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Your reading it wrong it is not the country people hate but one SPECIFIC person we are simply poking fun at (for some of his actions). Hating a whole country that is one heck of a stretch you came up with and not real at all not even close.
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This does not have the same weight as a whole centennial.
The tacit practice here is that one may snidely discuss Trump — without fear of reprisal. Eventually, maybe, the thread will be locked. But it’s still not helpful to suggest that some collectors hate the country.
I'll just have to settle for this one.
Add: I can't afford 19ozs of gold + premium.
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Really? When did the moderators decide that? Just because no one has managed to get jailed or banned on this thread (yet), doesn't mean that political discussions are suddenly allowed on this forum.
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And those Philippines coins said UNITED STATES OF AMERICA on them. Could be argued either way.
If your politics colors your view of the appropriateness of minting a coin depicting a sitting a president, you may want to consider how you would feel if a different recent president that you disagree with was depicted instead. If your opinion changes, perhaps you should reconsider your thought process.
I don’t want to see any living president on a coin - regardless of party affiliation or accomplishments. It’s a practice largely associated with monarchies and we aren’t a monarchy.
This side wants their guy that side wants our guy—ban real people on coins.
Those service dog quarters may dodge the politics.
Not sure that entails getting along so much. I believe many choose to avoid that minefield, altogether. Simply because a greater majority find that politics and politicians all pretty much suck the life out of all of us. Fighting like schoolchildren , along with egos that get all butt hurt over the silliest things. I think most adults are pretty fed up with petty politicians thinking they’re all that; when theyre actually lousy representatives of all citizens.
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Fantastic post. I would just add that in a perfect world I don't want to see ANY president, living or dead, on coins. I like depictions of Liberty and Eagles or more commem/state quarter style designs.
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@Project Numismatics 100%, and very well said.
IMO, I don’t think I’m being “political” to point out just how troubling it is that many now conflate/equate criticism and/or dislike of ANY elected individual (regardless of party….) with a hatred of this country.
I thought we decided to cease bending a knee to monarchs and politicians 250 years ago. After all, criticism and ridicule of a monarch was the spark that gave birth to our country and our constitution.
Happy 250th to all of us, and our thanks to those who gave everything in order to maintain our freedom.
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Let's get back to coins and the coin hobby in general.
These threads are destined to arouse emotions and opinions that don't lead anywhere productively and it is highly unlikely anyone would change their political minds regardless.
Moving on. . .
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Which and in what way are they telling? Please be specific and do tell............
Agree.
While I'm pretty sure his remarks were self-serving, I still like Teddy Roosevelt's words:
Now they are talking about a $250 Federal Reserve Note with the president's face on it. Sheesh. What next? When is it going to stop?
There is a distinct difference between criticism of the president and utter distain demonstrated with the name calling and smear campaigns.
President Roosevelt experienced much criticism during his three-term run- most notably when he attempted to realign the Supreme Court.
Criticizing policy and substance is what he is referring too in the above meme.
Not calling our current president a Cheetos-stained decrepit imbecile.
An example closer to home.
You may strongly dislike a PCGS policy and state so here on this board.
You go much too far if you personally call out the PCGS president and attack him relentlessly.
They've been talking about that for months.
January 20, 2029. Or maybe January 20, 2033.
I don't think anyone here is attacking the person, as much as some of us may not like him.
We are attacking having the face of the current "monarch" on our money. Big difference.
It doesn't matter who the current monarch is, or who it will be in the future. It's the idea that we are opposed to.
But the current monarch seems to think it's his right to have his image blasted over everything.
BTW, I am fine with a $250 bill, though I think a big portion of the American public will have some difficulty with it.
FWIW, "Only the portrait of a deceased individual may appear on United States currency and securities."
-- 31 U.S. Code § 5114 - Engraving and printing currency and security documents, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/5114
If you're honest with yourself though, even though the 19.7oz gold coin may be legal tender it will in no way be money or ever used in commerce.
There are perks to being president and that's one of them. I won't begrudge anyone holding one of the most difficult jobs in our government from taking advantage of this employee benefit.
On a side note, this is a coin that will have a mintage of 47 and cost over $100,000.
Presumably virtually no one here could ever own one for those reasons alone. Maybe you could see one in a museum someday.
It will be a bit of numismatic trivia, i.e. largest denomination US coin, most expensive issue price, largest US coin, etc. It will make for a good clue on Jeopardy! some day.
I'm not sure how much time people really need to spend thinking about it, regardless of how they feel about its issuance.
Perhaps the sale will be rigged so that all 47 end up on display in the future Trump Presidential Library in Miami??
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never I hope.
Perhaps the future Presidential Library will be allowed to purchase all 47 pieces at their face value, whatever that might be, regardless of the value of their gold content.
Me too. I remember when I was a cashier at a national grocery chain starting in the early 80's when I seldom saw $100s because it was legitimately a good sum for most people. Today, it doesn't buy "squat". I just had my oil changed this morning for $99 + tax.
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I'd rather not see any Presidents, it's a good time to get back to some classy attractive coins. Turn a modern St. Gaudens and Weinman loose and make coins attractive again.
The same goes for notes, we've had some amazing notes in the past but there may be some technical challenges with the anti-counterfeiting there.
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Will the coin be available in the coveted Advanced Release label? Will there be First Day of Issue and First Release? Will they be divided by different grading companies? Will there be many 70's? Would you send one in to see if it would bean? Will this be limited to just mint state or will there be a proof as well? How about a RP finish? Would you buy one for each grandkid? Is this just the beginning of a long running series? And most importantly, would you keep it or flip it? Hmmm, maybe it could be used as a flipping coin in sports events...could someone help me flip this?
Perhaps the District of Columbia will use them for manhole covers?
Can’t see them using one for the Super Bowl coin toss. Imagine if it came down on one of the Team Captains’ feet, breaking a toe and keeping him from playing!
The U.S. Mint certainly has the capability to strike these coins without going through the lathing process. The ATB 5 ozt quarters were 3 in in diameter and were struck using CNC individually engraved dies (as opposed to hubbed) using presses bought specifically for the series.This is why they were produced only at the head mint. Presumably they still have the presses. Gold is much softer than silver, so a single prolonged strike should do the job, unless the relief is excessively high.
Aside from the technical details, I wish they wouldn't produce these. I support Trump, but I don't support him appearing on a legal tender coin. George Washington (our actual greatest president) set a precedent. That precedent is simply that the current president does not belong on our coinage because it is a monarchical practice. I don't believe any president, no matter if I support their policies or not, should break the precedent set by the father of our country. Non legal tender medals, on the other hand, are fair game (and are regularly issued for presidents, living and dead).
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Do you remember who was president in 1976? There is the difference.
Gerald Ford, who became vice president and president without winning an election (interesting trivia). He also lost the 1976 election to Jimmy Carter.
Every president is different; and each has supporters and detractors.
The current president will be gone in a little over 2.5 years; will likely lose Congress this November and will likely be impeached in his final two years multiple times.
Whoever replaces him will likely experience similar things.
Happy #250 to the USA.
I laughed so hard at this, wanted to hit the
LOL button twice!
Damn that Coolidge.
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Disagree.
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I'm going to wait on the Trump US Mint gold toilet seat, plenty of room to make an art deco masterpiece of the top surface, and who will look at the bottom other than the cleaning lady and real aficionados?
FYI, this article says that the proposed denomination of the coin is $2,026. I do not recall seeing that number before, but I may have missed it.
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gold-coin-2677001971/?link_source=ta_first_comment&taid=6a22e476a2577e0001f45310&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwY2xjawSPyw1leHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETJxNm9KZlQ2eEVIWUhBZFFWc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHgYUxvqB0OUQIVdzHgNBTJUezYuSMxpYHvJLBIzFclK0DdfmXKBRr6EcDtWZ_aem_ywVqJpRYR1Q67ihEmjYdag
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At $90,000 in gold, I think we safely say, “Por folks need not apply.”
I know I’m out.