@fathom said:
You can crystallize it down to this:
The Mint needs and wants bulksellers to help distribute and retail bullion related issues much of it mass produced. It's simply more economically efficient.
As such retailers are partners in a sense. Mint cannot deny these bulksellers access in some fashion to the limited edition profitable, highly valued merch. That keeps them interested in maintaining the relationship and helping to continue to retail Mint product.
It's not an individual person decision it's just good business.
Ehh. Of course retailers are partners. And they make their money by submitting things in bulk to TPGs, getting access to pricing and slabs retail does not, and can therefore sell Mint product at a significant markup while eliminating grading risk and costs for retail buyers.
The Mint simply does not have to give them preferential guaranteed access to hard to get hot items in order to keep them interested. They really should not have access to anything until HHLs are lifted, because retail should come first. Because, without retail, there is nothing.
And "more economically efficient" distribution isn't really part of the equation when you are selling ounces of silver for over 2x spot, and gold for $900 premiums. That's a justification, not a reason. If this is really a concern, the Mint can just get out of the retail business altogether. At which point, many of us will lose interest, and that will be that.
Most large manufacturers, of anything, do not sell direct to the public. OTOH, the Mint is not General Motors or Frito-Lay. It is a federal government agency. Either they are supposed to serve the public or not.
At the end of the day, circulating coinage does not have to pass through Approved Bulk Dealers to be marked up on their way to banks. Neither do hot new issues. Maybe if there was a requirement for the dealers to sell at Mint issue pricing, but we all know that will never happen.
As a result, sorry, but I'm not buying the need or the utility in siphoning hot new issues subject to a HHL away from the public and to large dealers. It's all about lining their pockets at the expense of the public. Not about distribution efficiency.
@fathom said:
You can crystallize it down to this:
The Mint needs and wants bulksellers to help distribute and retail bullion related issues much of it mass produced. It's simply more economically efficient.
As such retailers are partners in a sense. Mint cannot deny these bulksellers access in some fashion to the limited edition profitable, highly valued merch. That keeps them interested in maintaining the relationship and helping to continue to retail Mint product.
It's not an individual person decision it's just good business.
Bingo, and I didn't need a 500 word dissertation to agree with you.
Mint-Bashers will always seek out a negative, no matter how trivial or untrue the said negative's are.
@fathom said:
You can crystallize it down to this:
The Mint needs and wants bulksellers to help distribute and retail bullion related issues much of it mass produced. It's simply more economically efficient.
As such retailers are partners in a sense. Mint cannot deny these bulksellers access in some fashion to the limited edition profitable, highly valued merch. That keeps them interested in maintaining the relationship and helping to continue to retail Mint product.
It's not an individual person decision it's just good business.
Bingo, and I didn't need a 500 word dissertation to agree with you.
Mint-Bashers will always seek out a negative, no matter how trivial or untrue the said negative's are.
Totally agree. The Mint does a lot of things that are...er...less than ideal. But the bashing of the bulksellers is really rooted in retail ignorance. The discounts they get are ludicrously small compared to normal retail. And the bulksellers who aren't in the ABPP (these are the biggest of the big) have to wait in line behind retail buyers until the HHL is lifted.
I keep hearing about all the special treatment of these bulk sellers. Yet, a lot of forum members SELL to Pinehurst. And if Pinehurst was really so special to the Mint, they wouldn't have to go out and pay ABOVE issue price to get what they need.
Some of the people who complain just want a coin for their collection and are frustrated when it's difficult. But a LOT of the complaining is coming from people who want to flip the coins for profit OR put it in their collection and have it worth more than they paid for it. I have zero sympathy for anyone who wants a "rare" coin but then also complains about pricing or accessibility.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
bump ... (Tounge-in-cheek, at the mint) ... YOU LIE!!!
10:05 am timestamp US mint email says subs are available for this coin.
Some time before 10:45am (I didnt look at the time right away) I check it out and the sub is still unavailable, or sold out immediately?
My pessimistic mind says it wont be the preferred 2013 EU, but more like the laser-processed EU AGE from this year. I feel they'll just put it thru the same process.
@stawick said:
bump ... (Tounge-in-cheek, at the mint) ... YOU LIE!!!
10:05 am timestamp US mint email says subs are available for this coin.
Some time before 10:45am (I didnt look at the time right away) I check it out and the sub is still unavailable, or sold out immediately?
My pessimistic mind says it wont be the preferred 2013 EU, but more like the laser-processed EU AGE from this year. I feel they'll just put it thru the same process.
Ah yes….we are a month away from this one. With everything else going on this almost got overlooked.
I’m surprised they’ve let the HHL of 10 stand this long for a 125,000 mintage. The mintage was increased once already, so do you think theyll exceed it?
I agree that the EU will resemble the EU AGE from last month. Might be an attractive coin nonetheless.
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
Why? Because it would be nice to see soemthing other than line art on the mint site. Yes it could look that way, but don’t you think it has the potential to look slightly different?
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
Why? Because it would be nice to see soemthing other than line art on the mint site. Yes it could look that way, but don’t you think it has the potential to look slightly different?
No, I don't. Hope springs eternal, and @jmlanzaf will always happily point out, in response to anything I post, that nothing is written in stone and anything is always possible.
That said, no, we have already seen what 2026 EU from the Mint looks like. It is not going to change from gold to silver in a few months.
I've got the 2013-W Enhanced Uncirculated and the 2019-W Enhanced Reverse Proof. Looking forward to adding the 2026-W Enhanced Uncirculated to the line up.
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
Why? Because it would be nice to see soemthing other than line art on the mint site. Yes it could look that way, but don’t you think it has the potential to look slightly different?
No, I don't. Hope springs eternal, and @jmlanzaf will always happily point out, in response to anything I post, that nothing is written in stone and anything is always possible.
That said, no, we have already seen what 2026 EU from the Mint looks like. It is not going to change from gold to silver in a few months.
Not what I tend to say. I tend to say that you shouldn't write everything in stone when you're speculating.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@mbr33 said:
Let’s hope the 2026 Enhanced silver Eagle looks like the 2013 you’ve shown above. That’s a fine looking coin.
Yes, let's hope. But the odds are very extremely extraordinarily high, in 2026, that it is going to look exactly like the other 2026 EU coin they are making.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
Why? Because it would be nice to see soemthing other than line art on the mint site. Yes it could look that way, but don’t you think it has the potential to look slightly different?
No, I don't. Hope springs eternal, and @jmlanzaf will always happily point out, in response to anything I post, that nothing is written in stone and anything is always possible.
That said, no, we have already seen what 2026 EU from the Mint looks like. It is not going to change from gold to silver in a few months
Well I wouldn’t be disappointed if you’re right and they looked as the gold does, but I also wouldn’t be dissatisfied if they changed it slightly either.
I believe it’s the last of the silver items I want from the 2026 slate. I plan to fully pass up all the Morgan and Peace variations this year.
@RAWcoin said:
12,500 available now to the bulk buyers.
ATS to the public is 111,700 on July 21.
So will the stated mintage (125k) hold?
Could this actually be the one issue that does?
This one might. It's kind of quietly sitting there in between all the July 4 quarter attention and the upcoming Liberty Bell gold and silver releases. The subscription numbers still need to come off of the 111.700 before we see what's left for ATS on the 21st.
i dropped my subs on the morgan and peace to two sets. one to keep and one to gift. I just dont think they are worth it anymore, but i wanted to keep up my collections. Hopefully the enhanced uncirculated coin mintage will stay where it's at, but i wont hold my breath.
The subscription numbers still need to come off of the 111.700 before we see what's left for ATS on the 21st.
Will be very interested to see what is still available.
HHL is 10, but my subscription number has been capped at 1 since late February.
Would like to get a couple more for the grandkids if the mintage holds.
The subscription numbers still need to come off of the 111.700 before we see what's left for ATS on the 21st.
Will be very interested to see what is still available.
HHL is 10, but my subscription number has been capped at 1 since late February.
Would like to get a couple more for the grandkids if the mintage holds.
If I was to guess, based on how they first set the HHL at 10, reduced it and then went back to 10, I would say 45,000 will be available for drop day.
So what’s the consensus on these? Hot, not, headed to melt or just another gimmick? I’m trying to decide whether or not to keep my subscription of 3 or dump them! I don’t need them cluttering up my closet for 20 years till I can sell them for melt!
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Ehh. Of course retailers are partners. And they make their money by submitting things in bulk to TPGs, getting access to pricing and slabs retail does not, and can therefore sell Mint product at a significant markup while eliminating grading risk and costs for retail buyers.
The Mint simply does not have to give them preferential guaranteed access to hard to get hot items in order to keep them interested. They really should not have access to anything until HHLs are lifted, because retail should come first. Because, without retail, there is nothing.
And "more economically efficient" distribution isn't really part of the equation when you are selling ounces of silver for over 2x spot, and gold for $900 premiums. That's a justification, not a reason. If this is really a concern, the Mint can just get out of the retail business altogether. At which point, many of us will lose interest, and that will be that.
Most large manufacturers, of anything, do not sell direct to the public. OTOH, the Mint is not General Motors or Frito-Lay. It is a federal government agency. Either they are supposed to serve the public or not.
At the end of the day, circulating coinage does not have to pass through Approved Bulk Dealers to be marked up on their way to banks. Neither do hot new issues. Maybe if there was a requirement for the dealers to sell at Mint issue pricing, but we all know that will never happen.
As a result, sorry, but I'm not buying the need or the utility in siphoning hot new issues subject to a HHL away from the public and to large dealers. It's all about lining their pockets at the expense of the public. Not about distribution efficiency.
Bingo, and I didn't need a 500 word dissertation to agree with you.
Mint-Bashers will always seek out a negative, no matter how trivial or untrue the said negative's are.
Totally agree. The Mint does a lot of things that are...er...less than ideal. But the bashing of the bulksellers is really rooted in retail ignorance. The discounts they get are ludicrously small compared to normal retail. And the bulksellers who aren't in the ABPP (these are the biggest of the big) have to wait in line behind retail buyers until the HHL is lifted.
I keep hearing about all the special treatment of these bulk sellers. Yet, a lot of forum members SELL to Pinehurst. And if Pinehurst was really so special to the Mint, they wouldn't have to go out and pay ABOVE issue price to get what they need.
Some of the people who complain just want a coin for their collection and are frustrated when it's difficult. But a LOT of the complaining is coming from people who want to flip the coins for profit OR put it in their collection and have it worth more than they paid for it. I have zero sympathy for anyone who wants a "rare" coin but then also complains about pricing or accessibility.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
bump ... (Tounge-in-cheek, at the mint) ... YOU LIE!!!
10:05 am timestamp US mint email says subs are available for this coin.
Some time before 10:45am (I didnt look at the time right away) I check it out and the sub is still unavailable, or sold out immediately?
My pessimistic mind says it wont be the preferred 2013 EU, but more like the laser-processed EU AGE from this year. I feel they'll just put it thru the same process.
Ah yes….we are a month away from this one. With everything else going on this almost got overlooked.
I’m surprised they’ve let the HHL of 10 stand this long for a 125,000 mintage. The mintage was increased once already, so do you think theyll exceed it?
I agree that the EU will resemble the EU AGE from last month. Might be an attractive coin nonetheless.
I’m sure you’re going to be right, but it would be nice to see one somewhere soon. We’ve got 17 days to drop date. Haven’t seen any images or promotional articles anywhere recently.
Why? They are going to look exactly like the gold, which we have already seen. Just in silver.
Why? Because it would be nice to see soemthing other than line art on the mint site. Yes it could look that way, but don’t you think it has the potential to look slightly different?
No, I don't. Hope springs eternal, and @jmlanzaf will always happily point out, in response to anything I post, that nothing is written in stone and anything is always possible.
That said, no, we have already seen what 2026 EU from the Mint looks like. It is not going to change from gold to silver in a few months.
I've got the 2013-W Enhanced Uncirculated and the 2019-W Enhanced Reverse Proof. Looking forward to adding the 2026-W Enhanced Uncirculated to the line up.
I'm looking forward to The 7 of 10
125k is too many. Signed up when 60k max was advertised.
I dropped my 10 Morgan & Peace launch next week~ish to 3.
250K is crazy. I can't seem to quit them. Dropped next day to free budget travel.
Not what I tend to say. I tend to say that you shouldn't write everything in stone when you're speculating.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Well I wouldn’t be disappointed if you’re right and they looked as the gold does, but I also wouldn’t be dissatisfied if they changed it slightly either.
I believe it’s the last of the silver items I want from the 2026 slate. I plan to fully pass up all the Morgan and Peace variations this year.
12,500 available now to the bulk buyers.
ATS to the public is 111,700 on July 21.
So will the stated mintage (125k) hold?
Could this actually be the one issue that does?
This one might. It's kind of quietly sitting there in between all the July 4 quarter attention and the upcoming Liberty Bell gold and silver releases. The subscription numbers still need to come off of the 111.700 before we see what's left for ATS on the 21st.
i dropped my subs on the morgan and peace to two sets. one to keep and one to gift. I just dont think they are worth it anymore, but i wanted to keep up my collections. Hopefully the enhanced uncirculated coin mintage will stay where it's at, but i wont hold my breath.
The subscription numbers still need to come off of the 111.700 before we see what's left for ATS on the 21st.
Will be very interested to see what is still available.
HHL is 10, but my subscription number has been capped at 1 since late February.
Would like to get a couple more for the grandkids if the mintage holds.
If I was to guess, based on how they first set the HHL at 10, reduced it and then went back to 10, I would say 45,000 will be available for drop day.
The mint sending emails to confirm subscriptions for the enhanced uncirculated ASE. Shipping soon
So what’s the consensus on these? Hot, not, headed to melt or just another gimmick? I’m trying to decide whether or not to keep my subscription of 3 or dump them! I don’t need them cluttering up my closet for 20 years till I can sell them for melt!
An interesting rendering of the finish, better than the mint's anyway.
