WOW!! I didn’t follow the game last night, to be honest, I forgot all about it until a few minutes ago as I was checking some news/sports highlights. Really incredible, after the home loss I thought the Cavs would be tense and the Pistons pumped up at home. I don’t think anyone expected this.
Now it gets interesting. The prospect of a non-LeBron James Cavalier team in the finals is like a dream. Does anyone remember the Mark Price and Brad Daugherty teams of the 90’s or even Bingo Smith?? 😜😇
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
If Cleveland wins the NBA title this year (unlikely to beat OKC but you never know), how receptive or unreceptive would the Cavs and their fans be to having LeBron James sign with the team for next season as a homecoming for one year before he retires?
If I were a Cleveland fan I would not be receptive for him to return for one final year (given his track record of migrating from team to team during his career).
When LeBron James does end his playing career I envision it to be similar to when Barry Bonds retired from baseball. HIs final season (2007) ended with a whimper (as everyone was exhausted at the end and his final home game did not have any celebration).
I have no idea what Lebron might want to do, what Cavs management might want to do or how the fans would feel if he were to be signed. With his time in LA he has proven that he can play behind other players, that a team doesn't have to be built around him or play to him. Also, he has never been what anyone might term as a "bad teammate" so I don't think he'd be a distraction.
Whenever his career is over I do sort of expect him to sign one of those one-day contracts and retire in a Cavs uniform.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
This past season has there been any player who has been effective (offensively; or defensively) against Wemby (i.e. keeping his defensive stats and/or his offensive stats below his season average)?
everyone talks about value. what does it mean? who has the most? if i had been a voter, I would not have cast mine for SGA. wonderful player, not the most valuable. Wemby affects games in more ways than any other player. the high-percentage shots he nullifies by his mere presence is tantamount to him scoring two points......every single time he does it.
then we have last night. what happened at the end of the first OT did nothing to change my mind.
half a minute left, OKC up 108-105 with the ball. San Antonio with one leg in the grave. if you're the true MVP, you seize that opportunity and bury the opposition.
what actually happened?
SGA's teammate -- not him -- took a wild, off-balance floater that didn't sniff the rim. yo, where were you, Mr. MVP SGA?
then what happened?
the guy who would have received my vote pulled up from 27 feet at 7 feet, 5 inches and hit nothing but nylon to save his team. if that shot misses, and it probably does 8.5 times out of 10 on average, the Spurs die. but they didnt die because of the dude who flashed his value.
but, SGA & Co. still had time to hit the game winner. the supposed MVP had another opportunity to flash his.
what happened?
SGA drove to the rack and the Spurs collapsed on him the way they had all night long. he was forced to defer to the teammate who jacked up the crap shot the previous time down the floor. and Williams missed again. then the Spurs took them out in double OT.
it's all fun and games until a team finds a way to negate your value. that award went to the wrong dude
Cavs/Knicks playing a close game. New York had stretched a lead but Cleveland came back nicely in the last few minutes. The game will probably be won by whoever comes out hot in the second half.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Kenny Atkinson and James Harden. Atkinson let NY go on an 18 - 0 run before he called a timeout! Harden playing 42 minutes, chucking up shots, and played no defense in the 4th.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
G5 against the Pistons the Cavs steal one on the road at the very end of the game. this after tripping a Piston in the final seconds that would have resulted in free throws and a loss. G6 they go back home looking to close out the series. they get blown out. G7 they go back to Detroit. they blow them out. then last night they get outscored 44-11 over the last 12 minutes and 45 seconds and lose G1 to New York. and their coach called a grand total of one timeout during the onslaught, with two in his hip pocket.
@galaxy27 said:
G5 against the Pistons the Cavs steal one on the road at the very end of the game. this after tripping a Piston in the final seconds that would have resulted in free throws and a loss. G6 they go back home looking to close out the series. they get blown out. G7 they go back to Detroit. they blow them out. then last night they get outscored 44-11 over the last 12 minutes and 45 seconds and lose G1 to New York. and their coach called a grand total of one timeout during the onslaught, with two in his hip pocket.
is this real life
what is going on in the NBA
most f***** up sport by a country mile
Only thought that comes to mind is the league/sports books want to keep the bettors on an uneven keel so bettors bet both sides increasing the action.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
OKC wins game 2, I think if they can control what happens at the foul line they'll be OK. The Spurs are just good from the stripe to give them free points.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The two games haven't really been close and I don't think it's because of the players. Cavs have been outcoached and if Atkinson isn't careful he may be shown the door when the series is over.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The two games haven't really been close and I don't think it's because of the players. Cavs have been outcoached and if Atkinson isn't careful he may be shown the door when the series is over.
when you don't have home-court advantage in a series, obviously you can't advance without winning a game away from your own house. and in a 7-gamer, you only have 4 cracks max to do so. when you're up 22 with 7:40 left in the opposition's crib, it goes without saying that that's the game. there will be no better opportunity. if you choke that one away like it's no one's business, you're basically cooked. that's a psychological lashing that's almost impossible to overcome. and they looked the part last night. just completely demoralized after what happened two nights earlier. now they have to win 4 out of the next 5, including at least one in New York, and that is not going to happen.
someone needs to pay for the epic G1 meltdown that, for all intents and purposes, ended things right then and there. and that someone needs to be the coach. calling only one timeout during that ambush -- as well as not getting Harden off Brunson -- is very deserving of a pink slip. the Beard has never been a good defender, and honestly i felt sorry for him that night. he had no chance and needed to be switched. nah, let's not call timeout to curb the momentum and let's keep a statue on a guy who is scoring at will. absolutely brilliant in-game adjustments by Atkinson. so brilliant that it ended his team's season.
The mental impact of the game 1 4th quarter collapse by Cleveland cannot be understated.
The only way Cleveland could have overcome that impact would have been to rally in the second half of game 2 to come back from a double digit Knicks lead to win the game. Cleveland cut the Knicks lead to 7 points but could not get any closer last night. The game 2 loss must have left the Cleveland team and coaches bewildered and still mourning their game 1 collapse.
In game three if Cleveland is not able to prevent the Knicks from taking a large lead (i.e. 20 points) in the first half, I expect that the team will fall apart and lose games 3 and 4.
I particularly watched Mobley last game. He did nothing but stand around. Never went for any defensive rebounds and just stood in the corners on offense. Shortly after I noticed that, Atkinson took him out of the game - either he has an undisclosed injury or else he has given up.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
2nd quarter and the Cavs are down by 20. What exactly happened to this team??
the last 7:40 of G1 happened. think about what it takes to blow a 22-point lead with that much time left. do that in a best-of-7 series where every game is ridiculously important and it's very difficult to bounce back psychologically. that team died that night.
Perhaps the most telling thing making the case against this HC is the fact that he seems incapable of motivating his players in the midst of a "run" by the opponent. Throughout these pathetic 4 games we saw that. Last night it was 20-0 and he couldn't figure out how to slow the train.
Now he should be riding one out of town.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
@perkdog said:
Sucks for Cavs fans, making this far to fall flat on your face and basically not even show up
It was over after the game one comeback. Right then the Knicks knew Cleveland lacked the killer instinct and could be beat - and the Cavs realized they gave their best and it wasn't enough - totally a mental thing after that................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
bottom line is this. if you rely on James Harden to take you to the promised land, you're in for a major disappointment. the guy has wilted in the postseason his entire career, and it's only going to get worse from now until he retires. total liability on defense, and the moment his team shows signs of life in the playoffs, his offensive game evaporates as well.
and the worst thing for Cavs fans is, he's a virtual lock to return to Cleveland next season
It’s probably time to stop the Harden Sucks Train. We get it. The problem with the team is much bigger than one player nearing the end of his career. James Harden was a part of the collapse but not the reason.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
It’s probably time to stop the Harden Sucks Train. We get it. The problem with the team is much bigger than one player nearing the end of his career. James Harden was a part of the collapse but not the reason.
no need to get bent out of shape, we're simply talking basketball. i actually like him, dating back to his time here in Houston. but he's not that guy. quick, honest question...........do you feel like you got $39 mil worth of him in the playoffs? that's his cap hit this season, and next season it'll be 42.
his +/- when he was on the floor:
G1: -6
G2: -22
G3: -8
G4: -19
if you're ok with that from your floor general who makes 39 million, that's your prerogative, of course. i personally would not be if i was a Cavs fan. and like i said above, it's only going to get worse. older, slower, his shot will fall off.........and he's going to make even more money to strap the team. on top of that you have to worry about his brain, because in his press conference after Game 4 he said that he genuinely felt like they were the better team.
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i bet you've never been more happy to be so wrong
Wow! Never in a million years would I have expected that - crazy! And that's why I never bet on sports!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Amazing this wasn't even a factor - Cavs better practice their foul shots - 28 of 44 from the stripe.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Good for Cleveland!
WOW!! I didn’t follow the game last night, to be honest, I forgot all about it until a few minutes ago as I was checking some news/sports highlights. Really incredible, after the home loss I thought the Cavs would be tense and the Pistons pumped up at home. I don’t think anyone expected this.
Now it gets interesting. The prospect of a non-LeBron James Cavalier team in the finals is like a dream. Does anyone remember the Mark Price and Brad Daugherty teams of the 90’s or even Bingo Smith?? 😜😇
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Maywood.
If Cleveland wins the NBA title this year (unlikely to beat OKC but you never know), how receptive or unreceptive would the Cavs and their fans be to having LeBron James sign with the team for next season as a homecoming for one year before he retires?
If I were a Cleveland fan I would not be receptive for him to return for one final year (given his track record of migrating from team to team during his career).
When LeBron James does end his playing career I envision it to be similar to when Barry Bonds retired from baseball. HIs final season (2007) ended with a whimper (as everyone was exhausted at the end and his final home game did not have any celebration).
I have no idea what Lebron might want to do, what Cavs management might want to do or how the fans would feel if he were to be signed. With his time in LA he has proven that he can play behind other players, that a team doesn't have to be built around him or play to him. Also, he has never been what anyone might term as a "bad teammate" so I don't think he'd be a distraction.
Whenever his career is over I do sort of expect him to sign one of those one-day contracts and retire in a Cavs uniform.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
I will go out on the proverbial limb and predict the Cavs win 2 games in MSG.
Me thinks that the face of the league will soon be Wemby (if he is not already, at a mere 22 years old).
Great game. The East will have problems come the Finals.
San Antonio telling everyone that OKC is not a shoo in for the finals
This past season has there been any player who has been effective (offensively; or defensively) against Wemby (i.e. keeping his defensive stats and/or his offensive stats below his season average)?
everyone talks about value. what does it mean? who has the most? if i had been a voter, I would not have cast mine for SGA. wonderful player, not the most valuable. Wemby affects games in more ways than any other player. the high-percentage shots he nullifies by his mere presence is tantamount to him scoring two points......every single time he does it.
then we have last night. what happened at the end of the first OT did nothing to change my mind.
half a minute left, OKC up 108-105 with the ball. San Antonio with one leg in the grave. if you're the true MVP, you seize that opportunity and bury the opposition.
what actually happened?
SGA's teammate -- not him -- took a wild, off-balance floater that didn't sniff the rim. yo, where were you, Mr. MVP SGA?
then what happened?
the guy who would have received my vote pulled up from 27 feet at 7 feet, 5 inches and hit nothing but nylon to save his team. if that shot misses, and it probably does 8.5 times out of 10 on average, the Spurs die. but they didnt die because of the dude who flashed his value.
but, SGA & Co. still had time to hit the game winner. the supposed MVP had another opportunity to flash his.
what happened?
SGA drove to the rack and the Spurs collapsed on him the way they had all night long. he was forced to defer to the teammate who jacked up the crap shot the previous time down the floor. and Williams missed again. then the Spurs took them out in double OT.
it's all fun and games until a team finds a way to negate your value. that award went to the wrong dude
Great San Antonio game last night!!!!!!!!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
If you actually look at the TEAM stats the game was won and lost at the FREE THROW LINE.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Cavs/Knicks playing a close game. New York had stretched a lead but Cleveland came back nicely in the last few minutes. The game will probably be won by whoever comes out hot in the second half.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Cavs up 22 with 7:40 left and they lose by 11
if I had to explain how that happened to someone who didn't watch the game, i wouldn't know where to start
Kenny Atkinson and James Harden. Atkinson let NY go on an 18 - 0 run before he called a timeout! Harden playing 42 minutes, chucking up shots, and played no defense in the 4th.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
WTF???
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
This is the only proper way to recap that game
G5 against the Pistons the Cavs steal one on the road at the very end of the game. this after tripping a Piston in the final seconds that would have resulted in free throws and a loss. G6 they go back home looking to close out the series. they get blown out. G7 they go back to Detroit. they blow them out. then last night they get outscored 44-11 over the last 12 minutes and 45 seconds and lose G1 to New York. and their coach called a grand total of one timeout during the onslaught, with two in his hip pocket.
is this real life
what is going on in the NBA
most f***** up sport by a country mile
Only thought that comes to mind is the league/sports books want to keep the bettors on an uneven keel so bettors bet both sides increasing the action.
OKC wins game 2, I think if they can control what happens at the foul line they'll be OK. The Spurs are just good from the stripe to give them free points.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The Cavs look dead.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
The two games haven't really been close and I don't think it's because of the players. Cavs have been outcoached and if Atkinson isn't careful he may be shown the door when the series is over.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
when you don't have home-court advantage in a series, obviously you can't advance without winning a game away from your own house. and in a 7-gamer, you only have 4 cracks max to do so. when you're up 22 with 7:40 left in the opposition's crib, it goes without saying that that's the game. there will be no better opportunity. if you choke that one away like it's no one's business, you're basically cooked. that's a psychological lashing that's almost impossible to overcome. and they looked the part last night. just completely demoralized after what happened two nights earlier. now they have to win 4 out of the next 5, including at least one in New York, and that is not going to happen.
someone needs to pay for the epic G1 meltdown that, for all intents and purposes, ended things right then and there. and that someone needs to be the coach. calling only one timeout during that ambush -- as well as not getting Harden off Brunson -- is very deserving of a pink slip. the Beard has never been a good defender, and honestly i felt sorry for him that night. he had no chance and needed to be switched. nah, let's not call timeout to curb the momentum and let's keep a statue on a guy who is scoring at will. absolutely brilliant in-game adjustments by Atkinson. so brilliant that it ended his team's season.
The mental impact of the game 1 4th quarter collapse by Cleveland cannot be understated.
The only way Cleveland could have overcome that impact would have been to rally in the second half of game 2 to come back from a double digit Knicks lead to win the game. Cleveland cut the Knicks lead to 7 points but could not get any closer last night. The game 2 loss must have left the Cleveland team and coaches bewildered and still mourning their game 1 collapse.
In game three if Cleveland is not able to prevent the Knicks from taking a large lead (i.e. 20 points) in the first half, I expect that the team will fall apart and lose games 3 and 4.
They had their chance lost when they caved on a big lead in game 1.
The Cavs aren't even looking competitive in this series and that always rests on the shoulders of the Head Coach.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
So Knicks vs OKC?
I think Knicks now 10 wins in a row? This can't keep up, or can it?
Rather see the Spurs go...........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I particularly watched Mobley last game. He did nothing but stand around. Never went for any defensive rebounds and just stood in the corners on offense. Shortly after I noticed that, Atkinson took him out of the game - either he has an undisclosed injury or else he has given up.
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
Looks like everybody except Mitchell has their bags packed and looking ahead to their vacation plans.........
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
2nd quarter and the Cavs are down by 20. What exactly happened to this team??
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
the last 7:40 of G1 happened. think about what it takes to blow a 22-point lead with that much time left. do that in a best-of-7 series where every game is ridiculously important and it's very difficult to bounce back psychologically. that team died that night.
Why did the Cavs even show up, if just to play with such a lack of effort.
Agreed!
A 37 point loss in front of the home fans is disgraceful. I can't see Atkinson surviving.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Perhaps the most telling thing making the case against this HC is the fact that he seems incapable of motivating his players in the midst of a "run" by the opponent. Throughout these pathetic 4 games we saw that. Last night it was 20-0 and he couldn't figure out how to slow the train.
Now he should be riding one out of town.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
Sucks for Cavs fans, making this far to fall flat on your face and basically not even show up
Same type of thing happened to my Patriots, they got run over in the Super Bowl and it would have been better had they not even made it
hilarious
It was over after the game one comeback. Right then the Knicks knew Cleveland lacked the killer instinct and could be beat - and the Cavs realized they gave their best and it wasn't enough - totally a mental thing after that................
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
bottom line is this. if you rely on James Harden to take you to the promised land, you're in for a major disappointment. the guy has wilted in the postseason his entire career, and it's only going to get worse from now until he retires. total liability on defense, and the moment his team shows signs of life in the playoffs, his offensive game evaporates as well.
and the worst thing for Cavs fans is, he's a virtual lock to return to Cleveland next season
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And if LeBron comes back, the Cavs can have the oldest back court in the NBA!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
It’s probably time to stop the Harden Sucks Train. We get it. The problem with the team is much bigger than one player nearing the end of his career. James Harden was a part of the collapse but not the reason.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
no need to get bent out of shape, we're simply talking basketball. i actually like him, dating back to his time here in Houston. but he's not that guy. quick, honest question...........do you feel like you got $39 mil worth of him in the playoffs? that's his cap hit this season, and next season it'll be 42.
his +/- when he was on the floor:
G1: -6
G2: -22
G3: -8
G4: -19
if you're ok with that from your floor general who makes 39 million, that's your prerogative, of course. i personally would not be if i was a Cavs fan. and like i said above, it's only going to get worse. older, slower, his shot will fall off.........and he's going to make even more money to strap the team. on top of that you have to worry about his brain, because in his press conference after Game 4 he said that he genuinely felt like they were the better team.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," --- Benjamin Franklin
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