What is a "Grand Cru" Label?
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I see several coins on GreatCollections with "Grand Cru" labels. While this must be some sort of PCGS "special label", can anyone tell me the background of this label?
Thanks in advance!
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"The PCGS Grand Cru label is a prestigious, limited-edition encapsulation label used by PCGS to highlight exceptionally high-quality, top-tier coins, specifically appearing on premium examples of Liberty Nickels. It signifies superior, gem-quality preservation, with usage examples including key date Liberty Nickels, such as the 1885 and 1889, in MS-66 and higher, often sold through GreatCollections.Key Aspects of the PCGS Grand Cru Label:Significance: Like fine wine, this label indicates the "best of the best," used for coins with exceptional eye appeal and premium surface preservation.Usage Examples: It has been spotted on high-grade Liberty Nickels, such as the 1885 MS-66, 1889 MS-66 (CAC Green), and 1899 MS-66+.Context: It represents a special designation often found on items from curated, high-end collections, such as The Grand Cru Collection listed in the PCGS Set Registry.Synonyms/Related Terms: The label is a special, limited edition label, sometimes associated with high-grade, "condition census," "premium gem," and "special label" coins.
another gimmick ?? compete with CAC?
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Appears to be a pedigree.
Here's a recent one that I found on GC. Looks like it used to belong to this registry set.
Edited to Add:
Looks like I was wrong about the pedigree, and @jmlanzaf (down thread) was correct about this simply being a custom label. Pedigree designations seem to be explicitly identified in the cert verification, and none of the "grand cru" labels that I sampled include a pedigree designation in the cert verification.
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I assume that is AI.
The label appears to be nothing but a custom label like dozens of others.
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When I asked a Dealer at a coin show he stated, "Don't worry about it. None of you plebs on the chat boards can afford it."
He was just green (rocket) with envy.
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Likely.
He was mostly selling constitutional silver and stained/corroded wheatback cents in busted Whitman folders.
It didn't help his credibility his booth was set up next to Hot Dog on A Stick.
Yup, Google AI, I never heard of the lable,
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The less AI knows about a niche subject the more it will fabricate material for you.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
It didn't really fabricate it. It took it from the GC listing and related content that make it seem like the Grand Cru collection is a worthy pedigree.
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It kind of puts 2 and 2 together to make 5, it seems. These AI results are like th opposite of WebMD. Instead of making you think you’re going to die tomorrow from the sniffle you experienced, it Pollyanna’s up whatever it can find to make you think things are more wonderful (or agreeable) than they are.
Time for bed.
Again, the hyperbole comes from the auction listings because that was the only information out there about the label.
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So it fabricated the idea that the Grand Cru collection was a worth pedigree. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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LOL. I both agree and disagree. (Where's @RedRocket ?) It didn't fabricate as much as it trusted, incorrectly, GC as a reliable source and that was the only information out there. It might well do the same thing for other custom pedigree labels. "Fabricate" seems a bit strong, since it didn't weave the tale on its own. It simply gave too much credence to an auction listing or, actually, a Coinweek blurb about the auction listing:
https://coinweek.com/like-fine-wine-sensational-1885-liberty-nickel-pcgs-ms-66-grand-cru-label-at-greatcollections-auction/
Like a human, its information is only as good as the sources available which is why it should always be verified for important information. It also fails when it isn't prompted properly. People do not prompt it properly. I struggle to explain this to my students all of the time.
Here's ChatGPT's response to the prompt which asked it for references and told it not to speculate without source material:
I could not find any authoritative evidence that “Grand Cru” is an official, standardized PCGS label designation in the way that terms like “First Strike,” “Gold Shield,” or signature labels are officially documented by PCGS. (PCGS)
Here is what can be stated reliably from available sources:
What I did not find:
Because of that, I do not think it is responsible to claim that a “Grand Cru PCGS label” has a specific official meaning without additional evidence.
Most likely possibilities — and I want to be explicit that these are only possibilities, not verified facts — are:
If you have a photo of the slab or the exact wording on the insert, I can examine it and determine whether it corresponds to:
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^
Clearly written and easily understood.
Now. . . did @jmlanzaf write this or is this also sophisticated beta version of AI?
I'm hoping to replace myself with an AI. Then, years after I've died, "I'll" still be posting on this forum.
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