Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
Well that's just sad.
Edited to add - he is doing a Randall, though.
I do not think CaptHenway and TDN intended to imply violence.
I wonder if those so concerned about violence are equally outraged that man who egged on January 6, 2021 protestors (who stormed the Capitol, caused deaths, erected a hangman’s noose with gallows, and started chanting “hang Mike Pence” the sitting Vice President of the United States) are outraged that inciter of violence now gets his own coin.
@cameonut2011 said:
I do not think CaptHenway and TDN intended to imply violence.
I wonder if those so concerned about violence are equally outraged that man who egged on January 6, 2021 protestors (who stormed the Capitol, caused deaths, erected a hangman’s noose with gallows, and started chanting “hang Mike Pence” the sitting Vice President of the United States) are outraged that inciter of violence now gets his own coin.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
Well that's just sad.
Edited to add - he is doing a Randall, though.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
Well that's just sad.
Edited to add - he is doing a Randall, though.
Better than Jay outside doing his dance...
Oh come on, nothing's better than Jay's dance, except maybe Randall's thoughtful summation of the lord of the rings trilogy.
For some reason, AI seems to garble our language...any letter is just a pointless design to AI.
I'm not sure what AI engine you're using, but I do not have that problem with Chat GPT 5.2
I should use that one...I was just using Meta's AI...Chat GPT is definitely superior. I even put words like Liberty, Justice, and Freedom in quotes...it didn't help!
@cameonut2011 said:
I do not think CaptHenway and TDN intended to imply violence.
I wonder if those so concerned about violence are equally outraged that man who egged on January 6, 2021 protestors (who stormed the Capitol, caused deaths, erected a hangman’s noose with gallows, and started chanting “hang Mike Pence” the sitting Vice President of the United States) are outraged that inciter of violence now gets his own coin.
Look at the time stamps. These were posted after the riots and damage were done. A little late at that point and nothing more than an attempt to save face. It is well documented that his adult kids and Fox News personalities had to nudge him to do so.
It is also well documented that Mike Pence had to deploy the military to quell the riot because the President was missing in action.
Your revisionist history doesn’t survive scrutiny.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
Well that's just sad.
Edited to add - he is doing a Randall, though.
Better than Jay outside doing his dance...
Oh come on, nothing's better than Jay's dance, except maybe Randall's thoughtful summation of the lord of the rings trilogy.
Yes I agree but I don't want to see any members of this forum doing it.
Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
Sorry, but I was falsely accused of saying something that I did not say. I am waiting for an apology and a retraction.
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Anyone here who didn’t predict the trajectory of this thread? It would have been instructive to debate the propriety of putting ANY sitting president on a coin. As most of us know, Washington refused the honor as being monarchical.
@oldabeintx said:
Anyone here who didn’t predict the trajectory of this thread? It would have been instructive to debate the propriety of putting ANY sitting president on a coin. As most of us know, Washington refused the honor as being monarchical.
I agree.
It is far easier to judge the merits of a presidency after the term is completed and reviewed through a historical lens after all outcomes are known. Sometimes things end up better than they appear at the time and presidents are later viewed more favorably than they were during their terms. The reverse is also true. Some presidents make popular decisions that later prove to be disasters altering the course of American history. Since there are no monarchies in America (following the Washingtonian thought process), presidents should only be honored based on merit for any positive decisions made during their respective presidencies.
@oldabeintx said:
Anyone here who didn’t predict the trajectory of this thread? It would have been instructive to debate the propriety of putting ANY sitting president on a coin. As most of us know, Washington refused the honor as being monarchical.
I agree.
It is far easier to judge the merits of a presidency after the term is completed and reviewed through a historical lens after all outcomes are known. Sometimes things end up better than they appear at the time and presidents are later viewed more favorably than they were during their terms. The reverse is also true. Some presidents make popular decisions that later prove to be disasters altering the course of American history. Since there are no monarchies in America (following the Washingtonian thought process), presidents should only be honored based on merit for any positive decisions made during their respective presidencies.
Sure. But there is precedent in 1926. So, I can't bring myself to care that much.
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Can't we just all take a deep breath and delete a few posts? It is such a trivial spat that I would hate to lose any of you over it. This absolute stubbornness over who meant exactly what and who "knows" exactly what is so trivial in the scheme of things.
Sorry, but I was falsely accused of saying something that I did not say. I am waiting for an apology and a retraction.
And who wins if PCGS just chooses to ban everyone. All the prideful people get to follow Roger B ATS.
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@oldabeintx said:
Anyone here who didn’t predict the trajectory of this thread? It would have been instructive to debate the propriety of putting ANY sitting president on a coin. As most of us know, Washington refused the honor as being monarchical.
I am sorry that the term 8647 has taken on a different meaning for the OP and others. I am quite certain that Captain didn’t mean it in that context. After all, up until 2 years ago it meant something completely different on both sides, not just one side. I can see why it generated offense but I also can certainly see why the Captain won’t follow blunt instructions and delete it. Pardon the unintentional offense.
From a numismatic standpoint, I’m not in favor of a sitting President putting his own likeness on an American coin. From an esthetic standpoint, the obverse is fugly and self fulfilling in imagery. It has nothing to do with uplifting America and everything to do with uplifting an immense ego.
@jmski52 said:
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
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@jmski52 said:
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
Hey, I bought the Superman coin! In silver, because the gold was too expensive. So, I half agree. Lol
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
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The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
Lmfao.
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@jmski52 said:
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
Hey, I bought the Supermam coin! In silver, because the gold was too expensive. So, I half agree. Lol
Damn I missed the Supermam coin that could be a sleeper collectible.
@jmski52 said:
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
Hey, I bought the Supermam coin! In silver, because the gold was too expensive. So, I half agree. Lol
Damn I missed the Supermam coin that could be a sleeper collectible.
Her daughter, Supergrrl, is coming out. She's the more street-wise cousin of Supergirl.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
Pathetic. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
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@jmlanzaf said:
And who wins if PCGS just chooses to ban everyone. All the prideful people get to follow Roger B ATS.
It would be a loss for PCGS to lose TDN and CaptHenway.
I feel the same and would add Morgan White. Which is why I wish they would all set aside their pride (which goeth before the Fall), agree to disagree, and just delete the offending posts.
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The depiction of the eagle on the yoke of the Liberty Bell is nice IMHO. Center it/remove the appearance of flight with the bell & reduce field size. A nice look. No comment on the obv.
Using 'everybody' and 'anybody' while discussing a political topic is problematic.
Appreciate the Claude Rains reference.
@jmski52 said:
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
Hey, I bought the Supermam coin! In silver, because the gold was too expensive. So, I half agree. Lol
Damn I missed the Supermam coin that could be a sleeper collectible.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
In addition to the meaning of certain words evolving over time for much of society, some words have different meanings to different people, regardless of whether they have evolved for the general populace.
As one example, the word “literally” has a very specific meaning to me (and maybe a few other people, as well). I take and use the word “literally”, literally. But many others apply it to situations far removed from literally. For instance, when someone says “I literally lost my head”, either they’re lying or they somehow died, but lived to tell about it.😉
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The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
In addition to the meaning of certain words evolving over time for much of society, some words have different meanings to different people, regardless of whether they have evolved for the general populace. As one example, the word “literally” has a very specific meaning to me (and maybe a few other people, as well). I take and use the word “literally”, literally. But many others apply it to situations far removed from literally.
I actually received an email from a student who contacted me about missing class because she "was literally dead". First Zombie email i ever received.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
In addition to the meaning of certain words evolving over time for much of society, some words have different meanings to different people, regardless of whether they have evolved for the general populace. As one example, the word “literally” has a very specific meaning to me (and maybe a few other people, as well). I take and use the word “literally”, literally. But many others apply it to situations far removed from literally.
I actually received an email from a student who contacted me about missing class because she "was literally dead". First Zombie email i ever received.
Coincidentally, before seeing your post, I had edited mine to include “For instance, when someone says “I literally lost my head”, either they’re lying or they somehow died, but lived to tell about it.😉”
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
My unsolicited suggestion to anyone who has insulted (edited to add: or offended) someone else in this thread… If you regret it, proactively message @HeatherBoyd and let her know.
And if you’re going to say nasty things to me for dispensing such advice, please do so through a private message, rather than hurting your case for clemency by posting it here.😉
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For some reason, AI seems to garble our language...any letter is just a pointless design to AI.
I'm not sure what AI engine you're using, but I do not have that problem with Chat GPT 5.2
I should use that one...I was just using Meta's AI...Chat GPT is definitely superior. I even put words like Liberty, Justice, and Freedom in quotes...it didn't help!
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If you read through the whole thread, you'll see I offered that to Henway twice, in an effort to give him an out if he truly didn't understand what "8647" meant and it was just an honest mistake from his 1950's career as a soda jerk.
Let's recap though.
Henway takes a dump in the thread and multiple people recognize his "8647" comment to mean he supports assassinating the President. At this point, a rational person who made an honest mistake would naturally be shocked and delete the post so that there's no misunderstanding about whether or not he supports the assassination of the President. Instead, he feigns ignorance and hides behind Websters Deluxe 1930 Edition and refused to believe it could mean anything other than "throwing the bum out", which would be "the cat's pajamas" as far as he's concerned. Rational people didn't buy it though.
Tradedoughnut rolls in like he's the "big cheese" and is shocked!, shocked I tell you! that anyone doesn't think Henway is the "Bees knees". In an act of solidarity, he too posts "8647" just to prove he's no "piker". Of course, he immediately regrets it and replaces it with a couple of coin pictures because even he knows the 1930 Webster defense won't save him. He switches tactics to attacking the "everybody knows" comment, which would have been funny as a Cheers meme, but instead sounds like a weak distraction from his moral turpitude. He was last seen watching reruns of Get Smart.
Everybody knows the 1930 definition of "86" isn't the same as "8647" which has a specific meaning. Anyone who knows enough to post "8647" knows the meaning. If any of you doubt that, why don't you post "8647" on the White House website and see what happens. Sadly, far too many people here have a broken moral compass. It would have been far better for Henway to admit it was either a joke in poor taste or a lapse in judgement and delete the post.
Have you ever watched "clerks 2"? When Randall says the thing that means something completely different than what he thinks it means, so he decides he's "taking it back" from whoever changed the meaning? Maybe he's doing a Randall.
This is not the correct target audience to ask if anybody's seen Clerks 2. There's probably like three of us on the forum in total.
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Well that's just sad.
Edited to add - he is doing a Randall, though.
I do not think CaptHenway and TDN intended to imply violence.
I wonder if those so concerned about violence are equally outraged that man who egged on January 6, 2021 protestors (who stormed the Capitol, caused deaths, erected a hangman’s noose with gallows, and started chanting “hang Mike Pence” the sitting Vice President of the United States) are outraged that inciter of violence now gets his own coin.
Here's a screenshot of some tweets. Don't even tell that "inciting violence" lie.
Anybody that wants to see more tweets from that day can find them here
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2021
Better than Jay outside doing his dance...
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Well, I tried. Apparently, no one even wants to play nice.
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Oh come on, nothing's better than Jay's dance, except maybe Randall's thoughtful summation of the lord of the rings trilogy.
Yes, I have a lot of fun with nano banana.
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Look at the time stamps. These were posted after the riots and damage were done. A little late at that point and nothing more than an attempt to save face. It is well documented that his adult kids and Fox News personalities had to nudge him to do so.
It is also well documented that Mike Pence had to deploy the military to quell the riot because the President was missing in action.
Your revisionist history doesn’t survive scrutiny.
Yes I agree but I don't want to see any members of this forum doing it.
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Sorry, but I was falsely accused of saying something that I did not say. I am waiting for an apology and a retraction.
Anyone here who didn’t predict the trajectory of this thread? It would have been instructive to debate the propriety of putting ANY sitting president on a coin. As most of us know, Washington refused the honor as being monarchical.
I agree.
It is far easier to judge the merits of a presidency after the term is completed and reviewed through a historical lens after all outcomes are known. Sometimes things end up better than they appear at the time and presidents are later viewed more favorably than they were during their terms. The reverse is also true. Some presidents make popular decisions that later prove to be disasters altering the course of American history. Since there are no monarchies in America (following the Washingtonian thought process), presidents should only be honored based on merit for any positive decisions made during their respective presidencies.
Sure. But there is precedent in 1926. So, I can't bring myself to care that much.
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And who wins if PCGS just chooses to ban everyone. All the prideful people get to follow Roger B ATS.
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If it’s determined that I committed a felony in this thread, I’m waiting for my pardon and $10M cash from the taxpayers
Just because one person says something means something, don’t make it true. I love revisionist history
That would depend on what the definition of ‘is’ is…. Heh
Washington was a bigger man.
I am sorry that the term 8647 has taken on a different meaning for the OP and others. I am quite certain that Captain didn’t mean it in that context. After all, up until 2 years ago it meant something completely different on both sides, not just one side. I can see why it generated offense but I also can certainly see why the Captain won’t follow blunt instructions and delete it. Pardon the unintentional offense.
From a numismatic standpoint, I’m not in favor of a sitting President putting his own likeness on an American coin. From an esthetic standpoint, the obverse is fugly and self fulfilling in imagery. It has nothing to do with uplifting America and everything to do with uplifting an immense ego.
And I’m done with this thread.
Clean up on aisle 47…
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"it's the biggest thing ever, bigger than anything anybody's ever seen before, everyone is saying that ..."
This thread has gone off the rails.
I'll be the 1st in line to buy one!
Please make this thread go away.
I don't believe that I will be buying this coin if it gets issued.
I knew it would happen.
I also won't be buying this coin and I actually like Trump. That portrait of him is horrible and I've given up buying the overpriced crap that the mint is putting out. A Superman coin? Give me a freaking break.
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Hey, I bought the Superman coin! In silver, because the gold was too expensive. So, I half agree. Lol
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It would be a loss for PCGS to lose TDN and CaptHenway.
Over time, the actual meanings of some words do change. And it often has to do with the context in which they are used.
@MFeld started a great thread recently that's somewhat related to this https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1121634/interchangeable-numismatic-terms-that-are-used-to-describe-coins
The rub, here in this thread, is that plenty of us are well aware that since the first administration of that guy on this potential coin and especially his supporters have decided that the meanings of lots of words have suddenly changed.
For the rest of us, no, the meanings of those words have not changed. Mean tweets don't magically change the meanings of words for most of us.
I could give lots of examples of this, but I can't without making it 100% political.
I'm actually surprised the president didn't demand some of those words be on this coin.
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"If it's a penny for your thoughts and you put in your two cents worth, then someone...somewhere...is making a penny." - Steven Wright
I’m opposed to this coin and won’t consider purchasing.
Lmfao.
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Damn I missed the Supermam coin that could be a sleeper collectible.
Her daughter, Supergrrl, is coming out. She's the more street-wise cousin of Supergirl.
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Pathetic. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.
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I feel the same and would add Morgan White. Which is why I wish they would all set aside their pride (which goeth before the Fall), agree to disagree, and just delete the offending posts.
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The depiction of the eagle on the yoke of the Liberty Bell is nice IMHO. Center it/remove the appearance of flight with the bell & reduce field size. A nice look. No comment on the obv.
Using 'everybody' and 'anybody' while discussing a political topic is problematic.
Appreciate the Claude Rains reference.
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In addition to the meaning of certain words evolving over time for much of society, some words have different meanings to different people, regardless of whether they have evolved for the general populace.
As one example, the word “literally” has a very specific meaning to me (and maybe a few other people, as well). I take and use the word “literally”, literally. But many others apply it to situations far removed from literally. For instance, when someone says “I literally lost my head”, either they’re lying or they somehow died, but lived to tell about it.😉
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I actually received an email from a student who contacted me about missing class because she "was literally dead". First Zombie email i ever received.
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Coincidentally, before seeing your post, I had edited mine to include “For instance, when someone says “I literally lost my head”, either they’re lying or they somehow died, but lived to tell about it.😉”
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Looking forward to seeing all of the 2026 designs finished.
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My unsolicited suggestion to anyone who has insulted (edited to add: or offended) someone else in this thread…
If you regret it, proactively message @HeatherBoyd and let her know.
And if you’re going to say nasty things to me for dispensing such advice, please do so through a private message, rather than hurting your case for clemency by posting it here.😉
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I tried it by adding Lady Liberty, and honestly I think this should be the design - ignoring the text, of course.
