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Why was the olive branch left off of the 2026 Dime reverse?

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 13, 2026 9:08AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
Thanks.

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  • DesertCoinDesertCoin Posts: 146 ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 8:37AM

    Good point. Not sure. My thought is oversight, as coin designs today go through considerably less effort than back then.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 30,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i wish i had the news bit from the internet, can your daughter help get it, just an idea

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    i wish i had the news bit from the internet, can your daughter help get it, just an idea

    Here it is:

    https://fortune.com/2026/03/12/us-mint-drops-olive-branch-dime-peace-war/

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

    It doesn't say "Revolutionary War era" design, it says "Revolutionary War-THEMED" design.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A report on the CCAC consideration of this and other designs:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1108360/big-citizens-coinage-advisory-committee-meeting-recap-october-2024#latest> @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

    It doesn't say "Revolutionary War era" design, it says "Revolutionary War-THEMED" design.

    OK, thanks.
    Does that mean that they just recently made it up?

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  • CregCreg Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Checking his aim.^^

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    A report on the CCAC consideration of this and other designs:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1108360/big-citizens-coinage-advisory-committee-meeting-recap-october-2024#latest> @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

    It doesn't say "Revolutionary War era" design, it says "Revolutionary War-THEMED" design.

    OK, thanks.
    Does that mean that they just recently made it up?

    No. It might mean they are going back to before the Great Seal for symbolism. The Dutch lion, for example, holds 7 arrows for the 7 provinces and no olive branch. There are period pieces that are just Eagles with arrows and no olive branch. And, of course, the entire eagle, arrows, and the olive branch are of Roman origin. You'd have to ask CCAC who came up with the design and what their influences are.

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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And I will add: I would be willing to let this fly if this was a DoD or military branch related issue, but it isn't.

    For the 250th, we're supposed to be representing our nation's highest ideals and aspirations.

  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No...no speculation at all.

    From the beginning of time, the arrows represent our marshal/military nature while the olive branch represents our seeking a balance for peace. Look it up for any use of the Great Seal of the United States. Therefore, an eagle on a US coin with only arrows in its talons is placing force over peace.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    No...no speculation at all.

    From the beginning of time, the arrows represent our marshal/military nature while the olive branch represents our seeking a balance for peace. Look it up for any use of the Great Seal of the United States. Therefore, an eagle on a US coin with only arrows in its talons is placing force over peace.

    It is not placing force OVER peace. It is however recognizing the military with no reference to peace.

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  • TPringTPring Posts: 263 ✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 12:36PM

    @RichR said:
    And I will add: I would be willing to let this fly if this was a DoD or military branch related issue, but it isn't.

    For the 250th, we're supposed to be representing our nation's highest ideals and aspirations.

    @RichR said:
    I totally missed this detail when it was originally unveiled. And it's disgusting.

    I'm sorry, but there is obviously an intent here: "War over Peace". Simple as that.

    And that intent was not the Founding Fathers intent. Anyone who says otherwise is just distorting history to meet their current aims.

    You are sadly funny. I would love to get you cranked up, but then I'd get put in lock-down.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @RichR said:
    And I will add: I would be willing to let this fly if this was a DoD or military branch related issue, but it isn't.

    For the 250th, we're supposed to be representing our nation's highest ideals and aspirations.

    You're the one who is making the issue political and divisive.

    I hate to break it to you, but the USA was created following a revolution - lots of arrows rather than olive branches.

    Your own assertion about what "we're supposed to be representing" with this coinage sounds more like the approach that was ultimately rejected. The coins that are being issued represent our history and important events in the formation and defense of our nation and ideals.

    There was no peace in 1776. There was an insurgency.

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  • CregCreg Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those initials are showering us equally.

  • Rc5280Rc5280 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Rc5280 said:

    @RichR said:
    I totally missed this detail when it was originally unveiled. And it's disgusting.

    I'm sorry, but there is obviously an intent here: "War over Peace". Simple as that.

    And that intent was not the Founding Fathers intent. Anyone who says otherwise is just distorting history to meet their current aims.

    Pure speculation.

    And purely political on your part.

    As soon as I saw this post, I knew it would be closed soon.

    Since the design goes back to 2024, I imagine they are tacitly blaming the wrong person.

    Many of the approved designs in 2021-24 were designs rendered by activist artists.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, for the record, 1776 was the year a dramatic document was signed. The first shots of the war had been fired a few years before, and hostilities would continue for another several years.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    A report on the CCAC consideration of this and other designs:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1108360/big-citizens-coinage-advisory-committee-meeting-recap-october-2024#latest> @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

    It doesn't say "Revolutionary War era" design, it says "Revolutionary War-THEMED" design.

    OK, thanks.
    Does that mean that they just recently made it up?

    No. It might mean they are going back to before the Great Seal for symbolism. The Dutch lion, for example, holds 7 arrows for the 7 provinces and no olive branch. There are period pieces that are just Eagles with arrows and no olive branch. And, of course, the entire eagle, arrows, and the olive branch are of Roman origin. You'd have to ask CCAC who came up with the design and what their influences are.

    I read somewhere that the olive branch was supposed to have 13 leaves to represent the 13 original colonies, to match 13 arrows for the same, but that the counts varied on the coins due to space limitations and Engraver abilities. I cannot provide a reference to back up this recollection.

    Do you have any examples of eagles shown in 18th Century venues showing arrows in claws and no branch, olive or otherwise?

    And yes, the design was presented for consideration by the CCAC prior to the 2024 elections, so the question is not political.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 13, 2026 1:02PM

    @CaptHenway said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    A report on the CCAC consideration of this and other designs:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1108360/big-citizens-coinage-advisory-committee-meeting-recap-october-2024#latest> @jmlanzaf said:

    @CaptHenway said:

    @IAK said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    Last night my daughter's significant other saw an article online about the fact that the Eagle on the 2026 Dime reverse has Arrows in one claw but doesn't have an Olive Branch in the other, contrary to the tradition of Eagles on U.S. coins carrying either both or neither. He asked me why this was.
    I remember seeing a discussion here about the question, but cannot find it using the Search function. Can anybody give me a link to it, or just give me a general explanation for why this is?
    Thanks.

    "The U.S. Mint removed the olive branch from the 2026 dime to honor the 250th anniversary of the United States, replacing the standard design with a temporary, Revolutionary War-themed design showing an eagle with only arrows. The design focuses on the theme of "Liberty over Tyranny" and the fight for independence, with the standard Roosevelt design set to return in 2027."

    Signed, AI

    Thank you very much.

    Does anybody know what "Revolutionary War era" design with only the arrows they are referring to?

    It doesn't say "Revolutionary War era" design, it says "Revolutionary War-THEMED" design.

    OK, thanks.
    Does that mean that they just recently made it up?

    No. It might mean they are going back to before the Great Seal for symbolism. The Dutch lion, for example, holds 7 arrows for the 7 provinces and no olive branch. There are period pieces that are just Eagles with arrows and no olive branch. And, of course, the entire eagle, arrows, and the olive branch are of Roman origin. You'd have to ask CCAC who came up with the design and what their influences are.

    I read somewhere that the olive branch was supposed to have 13 leaves to represent the 13 original colonies, to match 13 arrows for the same, but that the counts varied on the coins due to space limitations and Engraver abilities. I cannot provide a reference to back up this recollection.

    Do you have any examples of eagles shown in 18th Century venues showing arrows in claws and no branch, olive or otherwise?

    And yes, the design was presented for consideration by the CCAC prior to the 2024 elections, so the question is not political.

    It is undoubtedly meant to commemorate the Revolutionary WAR.

    Look at the early. 18th century work of John Bellamy. You'll find a lot of arrows and eagles out there if you avoid the Great Seal.

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  • TrampTramp Posts: 929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan White said:

    @RichR said:
    I totally missed this detail when it was originally unveiled. And it's disgusting.

    I'm sorry, but there is obviously an intent here: "War over Peace". Simple as that.

    And that intent was not the Founding Fathers intent. Anyone who says otherwise is just distorting history to meet their current aims.

    They also lacked the common English courtesy of standing face-to-face with the enemy.

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    And I will add: I would be willing to let this fly if this was a DoD or military branch related issue, but it isn't.

    For the 250th, we're supposed to be representing our nation's highest ideals and aspirations.

    Those who won't fight for freedom neither deserve it nor acquire it.

    Our nation's highest value is liberty (and justice) for all.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • AcarrollAcarroll Posts: 123 ✭✭✭

    @RichR said:
    And I will add: I would be willing to let this fly if this was a DoD or military branch related issue, but it isn't.

    For the 250th, we're supposed to be representing our nation's highest ideals and aspirations.

    So, you're the one that decides if a coin design "flies" or not. Cool.

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,514 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tramp said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

    The olive branch on coins has historically symbolized peace and diplomacy, representing a national preference for peace despite military preparedness. The U.S. Mint's recent redesign of the dime, which omits the olive branch, raises questions about the balance between peace and war in American symbolism. The eagle's left talon holds arrows, symbolizing military preparedness, while the right talon is empty, representing peace. The olive branch, traditionally held in the eagle's right talon, is absent in the new design, which now features a bald eagle clutching only arrows. This change is part of a broader initiative to commemorate the nation's 250th anniversary and reflects the historical context where founding symbols represent a delicate balance between peace and conflict.
    https://www.inc.com/ava-levinson/u-s-mint-quietly-changed-an-iconic-symbol-on-250th-anniversary-coins/91316534

    Perhaps they were let go......the empty claw is shown open. Where peace and diplomacy fails....is there a price to be paid?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leothelyon said:

    @Tramp said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

    The olive branch on coins has historically symbolized peace and diplomacy, representing a national preference for peace despite military preparedness. The U.S. Mint's recent redesign of the dime, which omits the olive branch, raises questions about the balance between peace and war in American symbolism. The eagle's left talon holds arrows, symbolizing military preparedness, while the right talon is empty, representing peace. The olive branch, traditionally held in the eagle's right talon, is absent in the new design, which now features a bald eagle clutching only arrows. This change is part of a broader initiative to commemorate the nation's 250th anniversary and reflects the historical context where founding symbols represent a delicate balance between peace and conflict.
    https://www.inc.com/ava-levinson/u-s-mint-quietly-changed-an-iconic-symbol-on-250th-anniversary-coins/91316534

    Perhaps they were let go......the empty claw is shown open. Where peace and diplomacy fails....is there a price to be paid?

    Leo

    Liberty over Tyranny

    Can you think of a single historical example where Liberty triumphed over Tyranny by diplomacy? The dime commemorates the Revolutionary War and the armies of the 13 colonies. So, what?

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "For a nation whose founding symbols were carefully engineered around the balance of peace and war, that omission is hard to read as accidental."

    That's a quote from the Fortune article.

    What the omission means is what seems to be in dispute among members here.

    I think that symbols should be clear in their meaning and, here, we as experts in our coinage, are disputing and debating it.

    I think that this is good and should occur here but our hosts tend to shut down anything with a whiff of politics. Less than 24hrs old, I fear that this discussion, too, will be ended by our hosts. It's 6:30AM in California, so get your thoughts in now, as future posting could be stopped.

    Please not that I'm not taking sides, just calling for a continuation of this discussion rather than censorship. I think that we, here, are better informed than the general public and our opinions will be more relevant and reliable.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2026 6:45AM

    @sellitstore said:
    "For a nation whose founding symbols were carefully engineered around the balance of peace and war, that omission is hard to read as accidental."

    That's a quote from the Fortune article.

    What the omission means is what seems to be in dispute among members here.

    I think that symbols should be clear in their meaning and, here, we as experts in our coinage, are disputing and debating it.

    I think that this is good and should occur here but our hosts tend to shut down anything with a whiff of politics. Less than 24hrs old, I fear that this discussion, too, will be ended by our hosts. It's 6:30AM in California, so get your thoughts in now, as future posting could be stopped.

    Please not that I'm not taking sides, just calling for a continuation of this discussion rather than censorship. I think that we, here, are better informed than the general public and our opinions will be more relevant and reliable.

    Frankly, what is the point of debate now? The coin is in production. The symbolism was, no doubt, intentionally chosen. People always want "the other". There is no "other" coming.

    Was Washington crossing the Delaware to have a summit with the Hessians?

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why do you quote from the separate thread that I started here in this thread?

    I asked a technical striking question and you brought it back over here.

    If you can't answer my tech question, started in another thread, please don't move my discussion here.

    Was this a mistake or is there some other reason for hijacking this thread and not responding to my technical minting question?

    Your response seems so inappropriate for a technical minting question. What's this about Washington and the Hessians? And we don't debate symbolism of coins in production, only proposed designs? How about past designs? What are you talking about?

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,643 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    "For a nation whose founding symbols were carefully engineered around the balance of peace and war, that omission is hard to read as accidental."

    That's a quote from the Fortune article.

    What the omission means is what seems to be in dispute among members here.

    I think that symbols should be clear in their meaning and, here, we as experts in our coinage, are disputing and debating it.

    I think that this is good and should occur here but our hosts tend to shut down anything with a whiff of politics. Less than 24hrs old, I fear that this discussion, too, will be ended by our hosts. It's 6:30AM in California, so get your thoughts in now, as future posting could be stopped.

    Please not that I'm not taking sides, just calling for a continuation of this discussion rather than censorship. I think that we, here, are better informed than the general public and our opinions will be more relevant and reliable.

    There's nothing "political" about this coin or any other modern coin. They are what they are and they aren't old yet so when we talk about them most of those who bring them into existence are still alive and now days people want to politicize EVERYTHING from coins to simple concepts like "LIBERTY".

    Coins aren't political. They are a reflection of society and culture and this design is one of the most artistic in our entire history since early in the last century.

    Current events spark controversy but coins are not by nature "political".

    There's no crime talking about modern coins if we keep our politcal opinions to ourselves.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @Tramp said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

    The olive branch on coins has historically symbolized peace and diplomacy, representing a national preference for peace despite military preparedness. The U.S. Mint's recent redesign of the dime, which omits the olive branch, raises questions about the balance between peace and war in American symbolism. The eagle's left talon holds arrows, symbolizing military preparedness, while the right talon is empty, representing peace. The olive branch, traditionally held in the eagle's right talon, is absent in the new design, which now features a bald eagle clutching only arrows. This change is part of a broader initiative to commemorate the nation's 250th anniversary and reflects the historical context where founding symbols represent a delicate balance between peace and conflict.
    https://www.inc.com/ava-levinson/u-s-mint-quietly-changed-an-iconic-symbol-on-250th-anniversary-coins/91316534

    Perhaps they were let go......the empty claw is shown open. Where peace and diplomacy fails....is there a price to be paid?

    Leo

    Liberty over Tyranny

    Can you think of a single historical example where Liberty triumphed over Tyranny by diplomacy? The dime commemorates the Revolutionary War and the armies of the 13 colonies. So, what?

    "Can you think of a single historical example where Liberty triumphed over Tyranny by diplomacy?"

    Yes, there are several instances where major societal change occurred through law, diplomacy, and institutions rather than declared war. In the United States, decisions like Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and legislation such as the Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) dismantled the legal framework of Jim Crow without a war between governments. Internationally, the negotiated end of apartheid in South Africa under Nelson Mandela and F.W. de Klerk is another example.

    None of those transitions were completely free of violence or social upheaval, of course, but they were ultimately resolved through legal and political processes rather than battlefield victory.

    Getting back to the original question about the dime design, though: regardless of the symbolism, I think the intent of the designers was to evoke earlier American eagle motifs tied to the Revolutionary War era. Personally, I just think the execution falls a bit short...

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 29,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2026 8:28AM

    It says "LIBERTY OVER TYRANNY" right on the coin. This is the theme the artist was going for. Tyranny must be defended against so an olive branch is irrelevant.

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    The motto on the new dime literally says “LIBERTY OVER TYRANNY.” That’s the theme the artist was aiming for. Once you understand that, the rest of the design makes sense. It isn’t about peace or reconciliation, so an olive branch would be out of place. The message is about vigilance — the idea that liberty has to be protected, not assumed.

    Designs always follow their theme. If the theme is “defend liberty,” then the imagery is going to reflect that stance rather than the older Roosevelt‑era symbolism._

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    Why do you quote from the separate thread that I started here in this thread?

    I asked a technical striking question and you brought it back over here.

    If you can't answer my tech question, started in another thread, please don't move my discussion here.

    Was this a mistake or is there some other reason for hijacking this thread and not responding to my technical minting question?

    Your response seems so inappropriate for a technical minting question. What's this about Washington and the Hessians? And we don't debate symbolism of coins in production, only proposed designs? How about past designs? What are you talking about?

    I think you're confused as to which thread you're on.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2026 8:38AM

    @lkenefic said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @leothelyon said:

    @Tramp said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

    The olive branch on coins has historically symbolized peace and diplomacy, representing a national preference for peace despite military preparedness. The U.S. Mint's recent redesign of the dime, which omits the olive branch, raises questions about the balance between peace and war in American symbolism. The eagle's left talon holds arrows, symbolizing military preparedness, while the right talon is empty, representing peace. The olive branch, traditionally held in the eagle's right talon, is absent in the new design, which now features a bald eagle clutching only arrows. This change is part of a broader initiative to commemorate the nation's 250th anniversary and reflects the historical context where founding symbols represent a delicate balance between peace and conflict.
    https://www.inc.com/ava-levinson/u-s-mint-quietly-changed-an-iconic-symbol-on-250th-anniversary-coins/91316534

    Perhaps they were let go......the empty claw is shown open. Where peace and diplomacy fails....is there a price to be paid?

    Leo

    Liberty over Tyranny

    Can you think of a single historical example where Liberty triumphed over Tyranny by diplomacy? The dime commemorates the Revolutionary War and the armies of the 13 colonies. So, what?

    "Can you think of a single historical example where Liberty triumphed over Tyranny by diplomacy?"

    Yes, there are several instances where major societal change occurred through law, diplomacy, and institutions rather than declared war. In the United States, decisions like Brown v. Board of Education (1954) and legislation such as the Civil Rights Act (1964) and Voting Rights Act (1965) dismantled the legal framework of Jim Crow without a war between governments. Internationally, the negotiated end of apartheid in South Africa under Nelson Mandela and F.W. de Klerk is another example.

    None of those transitions were completely free of violence or social upheaval, of course, but they were ultimately resolved through legal and political processes rather than battlefield victory.

    Getting back to the original question about the dime design, though: regardless of the symbolism, I think the intent of the designers was to evoke earlier American eagle motifs tied to the Revolutionary War era. Personally, I just think the execution falls a bit short...

    I think we have different definitions of tyranny. Anyone who accepts a court ruling isn't a very good tyrant.

    And South Africa is a horrible example given the amount of blood shed there. I guess WW II is another example of diplomacy triumphing.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,478 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just for historical perspective, there were questions asked when the word "GOD" was left off the $10 and the $20 in 1907.

    I don't think that was political.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    Just for historical perspective, there were questions asked when the word "GOD" was left off the $10 and the $20 in 1907.

    I don't think that was political.

    It was political, just not partisan.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:
    Yes, for the record, 1776 was the year a dramatic document was signed. The first shots of the war had been fired a few years before, and hostilities would continue for another several years.

    The first shots of the Revolutionary War were fired at Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts, April 19, 1775.

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  • TrampTramp Posts: 929 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 14, 2026 8:53AM

    @leothelyon said:

    @Tramp said:

    @lkenefic said:
    Here's the image of the reverse design (2026 Dime). Is it just me or does it appear as though the eagle is looking for something it dropped?

    Being vigilant or looking for next target!

    The olive branch on coins has historically symbolized peace and diplomacy, representing a national preference for peace despite military preparedness. The U.S. Mint's recent redesign of the dime, which omits the olive branch, raises questions about the balance between peace and war in American symbolism. The eagle's left talon holds arrows, symbolizing military preparedness, while the right talon is empty, representing peace. The olive branch, traditionally held in the eagle's right talon, is absent in the new design, which now features a bald eagle clutching only arrows. This change is part of a broader initiative to commemorate the nation's 250th anniversary and reflects the historical context where founding symbols represent a delicate balance between peace and conflict.
    https://www.inc.com/ava-levinson/u-s-mint-quietly-changed-an-iconic-symbol-on-250th-anniversary-coins/91316534

    Perhaps they were let go......the empty claw is shown open. Where peace and diplomacy fails....is there a price to be paid?

    Leo

    Well the article you referenced appears to agree with my reply. "stands ready to defend itself".

  • JBKJBK Posts: 17,107 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mr1931S said:

    @JBK said:
    Yes, for the record, 1776 was the year a dramatic document was signed. The first shots of the war had been fired a few years before, and hostilities would continue for another several years.

    The first shots of the Revolutionary War were fired at Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts, April 19, 1775.

    The Boston Massacre was in 1770, and Wikipedia gives the dates if the American Revolution as 1765–1783. 🤷‍♂️

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 6,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here you go 😉

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fair enough, we probably just view the historical examples differently. My point was simply that major societal change has sometimes come through legal and negotiated processes rather than declared wars.

    But bringing it back to the coin design: the familiar olive branch and arrows symbolism comes from the Great Seal adopted in 1782, where the eagle holds the olive branch in one talon and arrows in the other to represent the balance between peace and military preparedness. Later, in 1945, President Truman directed that the eagle face the olive branch, reinforcing the traditional symbolism that the nation prefers peace but remains prepared for war.

    That said, this coin is part of the Semiquincentennial program commemorating 1776, and some of the earliest Revolutionary-era depictions of the American eagle emphasized arrows alone, reflecting the wartime context of the struggle for independence. So I can see what the designers may have been aiming for by referencing that earlier symbolism tied to the Revolution.

    From a design standpoint, though, what feels slightly off to me is the composition. The eagle’s head is angled downward and one talon is empty, which creates a visual expectation that something should occupy that space... traditionally the olive branch. In heraldic terms, the classic U.S. eagle motif works because of the balance between the two attributes. Removing one side leaves the design feeling a bit unresolved.

    That’s probably why my first reaction was that the eagle looks like it’s searching for something it dropped. It may be intentional historically, but visually it still gives the impression that the composition is missing an element.

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  • smokestacksmokestack Posts: 29 ✭✭✭

    Peace through strength.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 39,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Fair enough, we probably just view the historical examples differently. My point was simply that major societal change has sometimes come through legal and negotiated processes rather than declared wars.

    But bringing it back to the coin design: the familiar olive branch and arrows symbolism comes from the Great Seal adopted in 1782, where the eagle holds the olive branch in one talon and arrows in the other to represent the balance between peace and military preparedness. Later, in 1945, President Truman directed that the eagle face the olive branch, reinforcing the traditional symbolism that the nation prefers peace but remains prepared for war.

    That said, this coin is part of the Semiquincentennial program commemorating 1776, and some of the earliest Revolutionary-era depictions of the American eagle emphasized arrows alone, reflecting the wartime context of the struggle for independence. So I can see what the designers may have been aiming for by referencing that earlier symbolism tied to the Revolution.

    From a design standpoint, though, what feels slightly off to me is the composition. The eagle’s head is angled downward and one talon is empty, which creates a visual expectation that something should occupy that space... traditionally the olive branch. In heraldic terms, the classic U.S. eagle motif works because of the balance between the two attributes. Removing one side leaves the design feeling a bit unresolved.

    That’s probably why my first reaction was that the eagle looks like it’s searching for something it dropped. It may be intentional historically, but visually it still gives the impression that the composition is missing an element.

    I agree with all of that.

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