D.L. Hansen retiring set ?
I was checking on my Registry when I noticed Mr. Hansen has retired his " Roosevelt dimes basic set. Circ. strikes and Proof 1946 to present " No 2025 coins entered. Ideas ? Comments ?
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I was checking on my Registry when I noticed Mr. Hansen has retired his " Roosevelt dimes basic set. Circ. strikes and Proof 1946 to present " No 2025 coins entered. Ideas ? Comments ?
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Also his " Jefferson nickels 1938 to present. "
Lincoln cent and Washington qtr. as well. Still looking
He’s been crossing many/most of his coins over to CACG holders. Since those coins are no longer in PCGS holders, he’s following the rules in retiring the sets mentioned above.
I just wish that once he crosses even a single coin in a set out of its PCGS holder, that he would choose to either delete that CACG holdered coin from that PCGS set, as the rules require, or voluntarily retire that set. Hopefully with time….
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Steve,
Yes I've been following the various comments related to the CACG Registry vs PCGS Registry in regards to D.L.'s sets. His action of retiring sets from PCGS has jumped a few of my sets higher up. Just wondering if he's still in the process of retiring sets. My Roosevelt sets, 1946 to 1964 and 1965 to present, no change, he's still ranked higher. But my complete 1946 to present has moved up due to his set now being retired. I for one admire what he has done. I don't know what specific coins of his now reside in CACG holders, but I do agree with the fact that coins / sets no longer in PCGS holders should not be in the active PCGS Registry.
Tom - I also think that D.L. Hansen is a positive asset for our wonderful hobby, and i'm glad that I own many coins from early on in his collection. But yes, when a coin has been crossed out of its PCGS holder, that coin should be removed from his set at that time, or he can choose to retire his set at that time.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I know of many silver Roosevelt dimes that DL has crossed, yet his 46-64 Roosie set is still on the PCGS registry.
Yes, and therein lies my problem. I have silver sets including circ, strikes, circ, strikes with proofs, fb circ. strikes and fb circ. strikes with proofs. All in top 5. Being a blue collar working class guy, I certainly cannot compete financially with Mr. Hansen or others at the top. Yet I'm proud of my sets and worked A LOT of overtime to get them to where they are. My sets were completed by the rules. AS EVERYBODY SHOULD.
Another concern isn't just about DL retiring his sets. what about returning the inserts of the coins that were crossed.
Example: DL's PCGS 46-64 FB Roosie set has 3 pop 1/0 dime in it. I know 100% all 3 of those dimes have been crossed to
CACG. even if his set is retired and those coins are not removed from the pop report it is robbing those sets that hold the
undergrade of top pop bonus points. Just an observation
Onlyroosies
Nick:
Why are DL’s PCGS sets not being duly retired?
Why are DL’s crossed coins not being duly reported to PCGS?
Why are we not formally asking DL and/or his agent (here or on the U.S. Coin Forum) to please do these things (at a minimum) for the betterment of the hobby?
Just my 2 cents.
Wondercoin.
You have a very good point - without his coins in the population, my coins have two more pop1/0 bonuses
While I don't have any pop 1/0 or 2/0 coins that would benefit from " following the rules " I do have several Top Five 20th century sets that would move up a spot if Mr. Hansen would " do the right thing ".
Mitch,
I believe DL is an honorable man and just doesn't realize the situation. Let's hope he or someone close to him
reads this thread.
I'm not real happy with Mr. Hansen breaking of the rules, but I am more upset with PCGS not enforcing the Registry Rules.
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Dahlonega Type Set-2008 PCGS Best Exhibited Set
Which they haven't been doing for quite some time.
DLH is directly connected to DLRC. If this issue impacts you, proactively contact DLRC to see if it might spur some action
I find it interesting that Hansen is getting an extra quarter point on the CAC registry for having his coins in CACCG holders. And yet not retiring the sets here that are required to be in PCGS holders. Definitely double dipping.
Actually, my understanding is when a coin crosses out of its PCGS holder, he’s only required to remove that coin from his set(s), not retire the set. But the smart thing would be to retire the set moments before removing the coin from that set, so the retired set score is not reduced by the removed coin. If you remove the coin first, and then retire the set, the retired set score will be lower.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
You are, of course, correct - however, in practice when an entire set is crossed over retiring is a more likely solution than having the set simply empty out
However, my understanding is that Hansen is choosing to not retire sets until all (or maybe almost all) coins in that set have crossed, over a VERY long period! That ignores a most important rule - when a coin is sold or crossed, THAT coin is supposed to be removed from sets containing that coin AT THAT time! He is absolutely NOT doing that! Obviously, the smart thing is to retire a set just before selling or crossing a coin, to preserve the score of that set. If you follow the rules, and remove or cross coins before retiring the set, then when that set eventually gets retired, the score of the retired set would be lower.
But he’s choosing to have his cake and eat it too by wrongly not removing his crossed coins until he decides to retire those sets many months down the road! Many of us have been waiting for many of his sets to be retired where some of the coins in those sets were successfully crossed well over eight months ago! We’re still waiting!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I'm wondering if it is him personally or one of his minions as I'm guessing he's a busy man. Either way, it needs fixed. Not in a PCGS holder, shouldn't be in a PCGS Registry set.
I only follow his trade dollar proof sets because that’s what I collect now. That entire set has crossed to CACCG holders as evidenced by the quarter point bonus he is receiving in that set at the CAC Registry. It’s been quite some time since that occurred because IIRC the video regarding the 1882 being upgraded was early last year.
So here’s Hansen’s CURRENT Trade Dollar Proof Set, still not retired as of five minutes ago, even though you confirm ALL of his coins in that set have been crossed! This example is the worst it can be, as apparently every coin is no longer in PCGS holders, and the set is not retired!
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/dollars/trade-dollars-major-sets/trade-dollars-proof-1873-1883/publishedset/156529
It’s still important for the integrity of the PCGS Registry that this abuse of not removing from Registry sets coins crossed out of PCGS holders, even if only some of the coins in a set have been crossed! If Hansen wants to preserve the scores of sets he retires, then he really needs to retire those sets NOW, and then at his convenience, remove those crossed coins from his retired sets! Not only are those the rules (removing crossed coins from sets, not retiring sets), but it’s the ethical thing to do! @Charles_Morgan , can you do something at this time? If not, why not?
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
OK, Kudos are in order for our new hero, @Charles_Morgan. In short order, he succeeded in getting D.L. Hansen to retire his two #1 current Dansco 7070 Registry Sets (one with Gold, the other without Gold). Presumably other sets have been, or will be, retired soon. Thank you VERY much!
For many years, I had been #3 Current on each of the two PCGS Dansco 7070 Registry Sets (one set with Gold, the other set without Gold). I was never able to compete financially with the two numismatic giants ahead of me - “Black Cat” at #2, and D.L. Hansen at #1.
Last year Black Cat retired his two #2 sets, so I moved up to #2 Current. Just yesterday, D.L. Hansen retired his two #1 sets, so I now “backed into” #1 Current on each of the two PCGS Dansco 7070 Registry Sets.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Steve, that's great news. To @Charles_Morgan I say thank you sir. Although part of me does not want to see Mr. Hansen move his sets to another TPG service, I'd rather see the best sets in the PCGS Registry, but only if those sets are here playing by the same rules as the rest of us.
Yes, once this action prompted by Mr. Morgan and others is completed, it will elevate my own sets in the PCGS rankings, but in the back of my mind I'll know that it really didn't advance my sets as there are still higher ranked sets, just in another Registry.
I guess the word found its way to D.L. He just retired his Silver Roosie set.
I guess the $64M question is whether or not the certs get retired, eh?
Happy to see he done the right thing. Both circ. strikes and fb circ strikes retired. Several of my Roosies moved up. Thank you @Charles_Morgan.
Wash. qtrs 32 - 64 set also retired.
I should have looked before posting the above. Franklin halves and Jeff. nickels also retired.
I have 22 different Registry sets. 18 of which moved up one in the ranking.
But the coins in those sets that were crossed are still in the pop reports. I'm betting the cirts will be returned shortly and we
will start to see the PC pops go down.
His Mercury dime sets are now retired, thanks DL!
Wayne
www.waynedriskillminiatures.com
He has retired at least three Kennedy sets.
Saw on my activity page today that 3 of my sets have moved up in the standings.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
I see a bunch of his Ike sets just retired out too, giving me a handful of promotions.
I just went thru my Kennedy registry sets (24) and DLH has retired all of his sets minus about 3 sets.
Thanks @Charles_Morgan.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
Noticed yesterday “DL” retired his #1 & #2 sets in “One Dollar Gold Mintmark Set, Circulation Strikes (1849-1889)”. As an aside, “Diane Hansen” now has the #1 set in this category.
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I got bumps because of retired Lincolns sets also. Thanks to everyone (including Hansen)
WS
Now that the CAC people have their own forum, holders, TPG and set registry,
Can they please just go away?
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That would be bad for the hobby in so many ways. I understand you don’t like CAC (or won’t use them), and that’s ok. No one will force you to. Just ignore CAC!
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Hopefully Mr. Brush at DLRC will chime in.