Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
You have so many posts, it hurt to read. I had to resort to Ike’s post.You’re correct, though, the small font irritates me too.
When one quotes Einstein mojo does not rub off on him. The sig line lacks imagination.
mr1931s testifies:
…old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.
You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.
It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.
You might have found something really good. If the experts at PCGS concur with you the naysayers, the LOLers, once again, will have egg on their faces. So, by all means submit your piece to our host here for evaluation. Even if you don't like or disagree with PCGS' opinion, make sure you follow up and let everyone here see for themselves what PCGS says.
One of your problems here is extremely low post count. You haven't been "around the horn" like so many of us have. Having said this I break with the "LOL" crowd on this one. You get the benefit of the doubt with me. YOU have the coin in hand and seeing what you're seeing just like PCGS will once you get around to submitting it to them for evaluation. Submit and report findings.
Another thing is you have only one star. Get more stars and you will be taken more seriously by most of the veterans. I'm trying to get a sixth star. Nobody here has six stars and I want to be first to get six stars. My magnum opus. First with six stars.
You'll learn a lot here. Good luck with your submission.
Thank you, I'm fairly new to the coin collecting world. I'm no expert, I can clearly see different dates on the coin depending on the way the coin is tilted. I've also noticed its a Close AM penny. The question is: is it the 1992 D Close Am? I do see a faint D mint mark that was struck through grease. When I get an update I will post it on here for everyone to see, right or wrong I'll share it.
@oldglorycoins said:
How on earth can you logically think that a coin has two changing dates on it?
I don't do drugs. Just look at the pictures and zoom in. I'm not imagining seeing different dates. I do not have a mental problem nor do I hallucinate.
... I think it's a 1992 D "Close AM" This was the only time I touched it without using gloves. This exactly how the penny came out of the roll of pennies from the bank/Loomis roll.
Can someone please shed some light this ? I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
One thing I can tell you for sure is that it is not from 1992 so it cannot be a 1992-D CLAM. Likely from 1993-1996 because the bow tie does not match ODV-37 for 1992. The obverse die was changed to version ODV-38 beginning in 1993. The reverse die was also changed to RDV-007 and that is why you have the close AM on the reverse [it is correct for the time period].
Great pics BTW -- Very clear.
edit: If you are thinking that the D mint mark is below that first 9 it is not [that would be pareidolia or PSD]. The mintmark is on the master die and none of the 93-96 LMCs have a mint mark in that location.
I understand what you're saying. The 1662 is obvious 2 dropped numbers from the grease filled die. Maybe the 'D" was dropped to or a thin piece of it of from the clogged die. Which caused the "d" to be in the wrong spot. I don't know I'm just trying to think of every possible scenario.
In all seriousness, this is clearly a misguided teenager. He doesn't want to hear anything anybody has to say, just wants to be reinforced in his delusions. That's why the only one who he's taking advice from is mr1931s who is one of the most delusional forum posters there is.
He'll learn the hard way and that's just the way it's going to be.
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
@oldglorycoins said:
How on earth can you logically think that a coin has two changing dates on it?
I don't do drugs. Just look at the pictures and zoom in. I'm not imagining seeing different dates. I do not have a mental problem nor do I hallucinate.
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The case of yahoos and trolls polluting the Collectors Forum with their foolishness. Exhibit B.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The case of yahoos and trolls polluting the Collectors Forum with their foolishness. Exhibit B.
If you are going to pretend to have him on ignore, you have to pretend not to see his posts.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
Everyone should look up what Discernment is. It's a gift from the Almighty Heavenly Father.
Just like the time I predicted catching a foul ball at a Texas Rangers game down to the very pitch when the ball would be fouled back directly me and I caught it in my glove. Exactly how I said it would happen. I had a friend witness the entire event sitting next me. I asked him to record it and he thought I was crazy until it happened. I still have the Josh Hamilton foul ball from that game.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
Did you also request that they perform that service for free? NGC charges $150 per coin for X-ray analysis. I don't see on a quick look how much PCGS charges.
It doesn't matter if the coin has been received by the grading company unless you've also paid upfront for the services that you are e requesting. based on the discussion in this thread, it sounds like you think you're getting about $300 worth of services. If you're not giving them that much money, they're not going to give you the services you want.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
X-rays don't penetrate copper below a few microns. What, exactly, is the Xray supposed to show?
[This is getting...er...interesting?]
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
Results are in.
Needs less copper in his diet.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@JBK said:
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
OP ?
Original Poster
Or, in this case, Original Paeidoliac.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@PeacockSteve said:
Everyone should look up what Discernment is. It's a gift from the Almighty Heavenly Father.
Just like the time I predicted catching a foul ball at a Texas Rangers game down to the very pitch when the ball would be fouled back directly me and I caught it in my glove. Exactly how I said it would happen. I had a friend witness the entire event sitting next me. I asked him to record it and he thought I was crazy until it happened. I still have the Josh Hamilton foul ball from that game.
That explains the miraculous multi-date minting of this coin.
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The case of yahoos and trolls polluting the Collectors Forum with their foolishness. Exhibit B.
If you are going to pretend to have him on ignore, you have to pretend not to see his posts.
I gave you both early release from "Ignore." I don't know what came over me causing me to do that except to say I believe everyone, even yahoos and trolls, deserves a second chance.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The case of yahoos and trolls polluting the Collectors Forum with their foolishness. Exhibit B.
If you are going to pretend to have him on ignore, you have to pretend not to see his posts.
I gave you both early release from "Ignore." I don't know what came over me causing me to do that except to say I believe everyone, even yahoos and trolls, deserves a second chance.
LOL. Okay. Thanks so much.
I tried to parole you a dozen times but you seem to be a bit of a recidivist.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
I don’t doubt that the coin was submitted, but I’m skeptical of the “6’s” amounting to anything.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
"Seeing" two sixes is the definition of pareidolia.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
I don’t doubt that the coin was submitted, but I’m skeptical of the “6’s” amounting to anything.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
@PeacockSteve said:
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
I really don't understand why there is so much negativity on here. Isn't this forum a place for people to learn and achieve a better understanding of mint errors?
@PeacockSteve said:
I really don't understand why there is so much negativity on here. Isn't this forum a place for people to learn and achieve a better understanding of mint errors?
I give you full credit for coming back and posting the results. Few do. Good on you.
At the same time, what more do you want to learn than the below?
@PeacockSteve said:
I really don't understand why there is so much negativity on here. Isn't this forum a place for people to learn and achieve a better understanding of mint errors?
after back-and-forth then back-and-forth with repeated answers that there's n 6' there it is not hostility but the negativity you are feeling is aggravation.
you finally have pcgs' answer: struck through - the same as what many have already have said. you could have saved a lot of money taking the answers here. there's just no way a 1999 coind also gets struck with 66 on it. coins don't strike that way.
Comments
Mr., if you made a joke, it’s funny. And if you didn’t, it’s still funny.
Include “trolls”, and “yahoos” in the title when you post the guide.
Why couldn't you quote me directly instead of resorting to funneling my comment through a yahoo who has desecrated my sig line? No, my survival guide will be for newbies and how to survive the old trolls and yahoos who make fools out of themselves here.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
You have so many posts, it hurt to read. I had to resort to Ike’s post.You’re correct, though, the small font irritates me too.
When one quotes Einstein mojo does not rub off on him. The sig line lacks imagination.
There’s my sig line.
The Secrets Behind Mintmark Placement Codes: A Harsche Analysis
Thank you, I'm fairly new to the coin collecting world. I'm no expert, I can clearly see different dates on the coin depending on the way the coin is tilted. I've also noticed its a Close AM penny. The question is: is it the 1992 D Close Am? I do see a faint D mint mark that was struck through grease. When I get an update I will post it on here for everyone to see, right or wrong I'll share it.
I don't do drugs. Just look at the pictures and zoom in. I'm not imagining seeing different dates. I do not have a mental problem nor do I hallucinate.
I did.
I took the pictures before I sent the coin in.
I understand what you're saying. The 1662 is obvious 2 dropped numbers from the grease filled die. Maybe the 'D" was dropped to or a thin piece of it of from the clogged die. Which caused the "d" to be in the wrong spot. I don't know I'm just trying to think of every possible scenario.
Those are not possible scenarios. The look of a dropped letter is entirely different.
You've convinced yourself what it is and then you're coming up with supposed scenarios about how it happened. That's backwards.
-
And @JBK ??? What do you have to say now??
In all seriousness, this is clearly a misguided teenager. He doesn't want to hear anything anybody has to say, just wants to be reinforced in his delusions. That's why the only one who he's taking advice from is mr1931s who is one of the most delusional forum posters there is.
He'll learn the hard way and that's just the way it's going to be.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
I think the OP is confusing "problem solving skills" with proper identification based on a knowledge of the minting process. His error coin is not a problem to be solved.
I'll have respect for him if he posts the results, but then again I don't think he'll believe them. The label will say "struck through" and he'll think that somehow validates his theories, or he'll think they forgot to notice the multiple dates.
Oh well...
Just funnin' with you.
The case of yahoos and trolls polluting the Collectors Forum with their foolishness. Exhibit B.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
Einstein said it best:
If you are going to pretend to have him on ignore, you have to pretend not to see his posts.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I requested an XRAY to be done on the coin I submitted. When I get the results, I will post it.
We will see. I got conformation the coin was received by the grading company.
Everyone should look up what Discernment is. It's a gift from the Almighty Heavenly Father.
Just like the time I predicted catching a foul ball at a Texas Rangers game down to the very pitch when the ball would be fouled back directly me and I caught it in my glove. Exactly how I said it would happen. I had a friend witness the entire event sitting next me. I asked him to record it and he thought I was crazy until it happened. I still have the Josh Hamilton foul ball from that game.
OP ?
Did you also request that they perform that service for free? NGC charges $150 per coin for X-ray analysis. I don't see on a quick look how much PCGS charges.
It doesn't matter if the coin has been received by the grading company unless you've also paid upfront for the services that you are e requesting. based on the discussion in this thread, it sounds like you think you're getting about $300 worth of services. If you're not giving them that much money, they're not going to give you the services you want.
Results are in.
X-rays don't penetrate copper below a few microns. What, exactly, is the Xray supposed to show?
[This is getting...er...interesting?]
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Needs less copper in his diet.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Original Poster
Or, in this case, Original Paeidoliac.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
That explains the miraculous multi-date minting of this coin.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Will we?
If the "dropped D" resulted in a D in the wrong place, how come there is no D in the right place?
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
Does he work at the US Mint now? 🤔 😇
He would be better served working at PCGS. Imagine how many coins he can grade when he doesn't even have to open the packages.
I never thought of God as a baseball fan. I always thought she was into soccer.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
troll
Thank God it's not in the other end!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
I gave you both early release from "Ignore." I don't know what came over me causing me to do that except to say I believe everyone, even yahoos and trolls, deserves a second chance.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
Where's your sig line? Is there any special reason why you don't have one?
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
How do you like this one?
LOL. Okay. Thanks so much.
I tried to parole you a dozen times but you seem to be a bit of a recidivist.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Well, I didn't submit the coin correctly. Now I have to submit it again. As of now it's a "Struck through Grease" error. I didn't submit it as an error coin with special attributes. So, an error coin expert didn't evaluate it. Btw, it's a 1999 D penny Close AM. When I talked to the grading company on the phone and emailed the pictures I uploaded on here, they could see 2 "6's" and a guy from Stacks Bowers confirmed he could the two "6's" as well. So, it's not "Pareidolia". The guy at Stacks Bowers said it looks like it has a die crack and a lamination error on it as well. To be continued.
Translation, I did not submit this coin but updated with a word salad reply to keep the drama alive.
My Collection of Old Holders
Never a slave to one plastic brand will I ever be.
I don’t doubt that the coin was submitted, but I’m skeptical of the “6’s” amounting to anything.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
"Seeing" two sixes is the definition of pareidolia.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Provide the cert number.
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
I really don't understand why there is so much negativity on here. Isn't this forum a place for people to learn and achieve a better understanding of mint errors?
I give you full credit for coming back and posting the results. Few do. Good on you.
At the same time, what more do you want to learn than the below?
and the final answer...
chopmarkedtradedollars.com
after back-and-forth then back-and-forth with repeated answers that there's n 6' there it is not hostility but the negativity you are feeling is aggravation.
you finally have pcgs' answer: struck through - the same as what many have already have said. you could have saved a lot of money taking the answers here. there's just no way a 1999 coind also gets struck with 66 on it. coins don't strike that way.