Multi Date Penny, really strange!

PeacockSteve

When I found out the penny was longer going to made. I went to every bank in my town and got as many rolls of pennies as I could possibly get. When I opened one of the rolls and went through it, a certain penny really stood out to me. From the aerial view all I saw was a raised "1". At another angle it shows 1662. At another angle it shows 1962. At another angle it shows 1992. At another angle it almost looks like 1994. I've scoured the internet and cannot anything about this type error. I even checked past and current auctions, nothing pulls up. I also noticed it's a "close AM" penny. It also appears to have 2 slight die cracks on it and slightly missing the "t" at the end of TRUST. I think it's a 1992 D "Close AM" This was the only time I touched it without using gloves. This exactly how the penny came out of the roll of pennies from the bank/Loomis roll.

Can someone please shed some light this ? I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

bsshog40

It does look like 199? for sure. The somewhat missing numbers was most likely caused by grease in the die. Kind of cool find but not really worth much in my opinion.

MsMorrisine

you're attaching photos like attaching files. just drag and drop photos

IkesT

Take it back to the bank and don't look at any more.

jonathanb

@PeacockSteve said:
I've scoured the internet and cannot anything about this type error.

The name of error is "struck through grease". No scouring should be needed when you use that name as your search.

Morgan White

yosclimber

cropped version of your pic 4

Coins struck through grease are a fun find, but do not have much value, because they are fairly common.

TPring

That looks like the "Back to the Future Cent". Eventually, like Michael J Fox, it will disappear.

A 92D CLAM is extremely rare and the chances of finding one upon searching a few rolls is infinitesimally small, good luck with your hunt.

PeacockSteve

@jonathanb said:

@PeacockSteve said:
I've scoured the internet and cannot anything about this type error.

The name of error is "struck through grease". No scouring should be needed when you use that name as your search.

I did that. However, nothing pulls up that shows the multiple different dates that are being seen when the coin is tilted at different angles. If you look on the back of the coin, you can it's a CLAM.

PeacockSteve

@TPring said:
That looks like the "Back to the Future Cent". Eventually, like Michael J Fox, it will disappear.

A 92D CLAM is extremely rare and the chances of finding one upon searching a few rolls is infinitesimally small, good luck with your hunt.

I've searched through at least 100 rolls to find this coin. I have 2 boxes of penny rolls from the bank to search through as well.

JBK

Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

JBK

Well, you're the expert.

When are you going to submit it so we know when to expect the results?

jmlanzaf

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

Impossible. If that happened, the dates would be incuse and not raised. You are going to waste $60 or more to slab a $1 novelty.

jonathanb

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

See if tilting it a little further turns it into solid gold. A solid gold coin would be worth a lot more than anything related to multiple dates.

Hint: Tilting a coin does not (and CANNOT) change the struck features of a coin.

silverpop

Go on and send it to a grading company and see what they say, bet they will not agree with your opinion

Morgan White

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:
Well, you're the expert.

When are you going to submit it so we know when to expect the results?

Dude, I'm not an expert. I can tell you when I hold the coin, I see different dates depending on the angle I tilt the coin. Please look at the pictures again. If I need to upload the pictures again so they are turned, I will. When I get the coin back, I will let you know what they say regarding the multiple dates.

PeacockSteve

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

PeacockSteve

@silverpop said:
Go on and send it to a grading company and see what they say, bet they will not agree with your opinion

It's already been sent in.

PeacockSteve

@jonathanb said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

See if tilting it a little further turns it into solid gold. A solid gold coin would be worth a lot more than anything related to multiple dates.

Hint: Tilting a coin does not (and CANNOT) change the struck features of a coin.

HAHAHAHAHAHA,, please look at the pictures again.

JBK

Just to be clear, what are you expecting the slab label to say?

It will say struck through grease, or grease filled die (assuming you paid for error attribution).

In order for your version of events to be verified then it needs to say "double struck (or more) in the collar" and "retained struck through debris" or some abbreviation thereof.

PeacockSteve

jmlanzaf

@PeacockSteve said:

Pareidolia.

What you claim isn't even possible

Morgan White

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:
Just to be clear, what are you expecting the slab label to say?

It will say struck through grease, or grease filled die (assuming you paid for error attribution).

In order for your version of events to be verified then it needs to say "double struck (or more) in the collar" and "retained struck through debris" or some abbreviation thereof.

I saw a coin sold at auction, where one of numbers in the die was clogged with grease and metal. That debris fell out onto the coin when it was struck. It caused a greased-debris struck on the coin in a different spot of the coin on the left side of the coin.

MsMorrisine

@PeacockSteve said:
I saw a coin sold at auction, where one of numbers in the die was clogged with grease and metal. That debris fell out onto the coin when it was struck. It caused a greased-debris struck on the coin in a different spot of the coin on the left side of the coin.

that's called a dropped letter and a very difficult to find. they are worth something more than the face value of the coin.

this one doesn't have that and isn't dramatic enough. it's a 199_ coin because the 2 9's are still barely visible

PeacockSteve

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

PeacockSteve

@MsMorrisine said:

@PeacockSteve said:
I saw a coin sold at auction, where one of numbers in the die was clogged with grease and metal. That debris fell out onto the coin when it was struck. It caused a greased-debris struck on the coin in a different spot of the coin on the left side of the coin.

that's called a dropped letter and a very difficult to find. they are worth something more than the face value of the coin.

this one doesn't have that and isn't dramatic enough. it's a 199_ coin because the 2 9's are still barely visible

Please look at the straightened pictures again.

PeacockSteve

It shows 1662, not that hard to see.

PeacockSteve

Here is a clearer picture showing 1662

Not that hard to see.

PeacockSteve

This angle shows 1962, again not that hard to see.

JBK

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

Only the "1' is raised.

PeacockSteve

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

Only the "1' is raised.

lermish

JBK

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

Only the "1' is raised.

The "1" is clear, but the ghost "9s" are also raised. That's obvious from your photos, so it must be even more obvious in hand.

Morgan White

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

Behind the shelter in the middle of the roundabout
The pretty nurse is selling poppies from a tray
And though she feels as if she's in a play
She is anyway

RedRocket

@jmlanzaf said:

** Pareidolia.**

What you claim isn't even possible.

Agreed.

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

Only the "1' is raised.

The "1" is clear, but the ghost "9s" are also raised. That's obvious from your photos, so it must be even more obvious in hand.

I agree, the 9's are minimally raised. I'd say 5-10% raised compared to the "1". This still doesn't explain the two "6's". It looks like 2 dropped 9's perfectly fell onto the "9's" creating 2 '6's"

PeacockSteve

@Pareidolia said:

@jmlanzaf said:

** Pareidolia.**

What you claim isn't even possible.

Agreed.

Please just look at the photos, my eyes are not playing tricks me. I'm stating what I see in the pictures. FACTS!

PeacockSteve

When I get the results, I will post it. Then everyone will see the truth that has been certified to be true from the experts who verify coin errors and experts in grading coins.

PeacockSteve

@lermish said:

What is that gif even saying ? I can't read his lips.

PeacockSteve

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@Morgan White said:

@PeacockSteve said:

@JBK said:
Your coin does not have multiple different dates on it. You are seeing optical illusions, or pareidolia.

You found a grease-filled die error that is missing much of the date. Put it in a 2x2 (and flatten the staples) and move on. There are other interesting coins out there that you aren't going to find if you keep spending time on this one.

It's not an optical illusion, the clogged dies full of grease and metal fell out and struck the coin a 2nd time resulting in 1992 and 1662 and 1962 depending on which angle the coin is tilted. Once this error is certified, I'll show you. Thanks for your opinion.

And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

In Penny Lane, the barber shaves another customer
We see the banker sitting waiting for a trim
And then the fireman rushes in
From the pouring rain, very strange

Please just look at the pictures again. I uploaded them again. I can clearly see different dates showing depending on the tilt of coin. Dang ! My eyes are not playing tricks on me.

A dropped letter/number would be struck into the coin. The surface would be smooth/level. If the dropped letter/number subsequently fell out then the letter/number would be incuse into the surface.

The anomolies you are seeing appear to be raised so it can't be a dropped number.

Only the "1' is raised.

The two "6's" are not raised. They are flat.

JBK

Here's one for you to ponder...

If in fact there were two dropped numbers that means the gunk that got clogged in the die dropped out. If that's the case, why is the date mostly missing? Clearly the grease-filled die was still grease-filled. 🤔

Morgan White

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:
Here's one for you to ponder...

If in fact there were two dropped numbers that means the gunk that got clogged in the die dropped out. If that's the case, why is the date mostly missing? Clearly the grease-filled die was still grease-filled. 🤔

The multiple dates are visible, my eyes are not playing tricks on me. I don't know how this minting error occurred, but it did. When it gets certified I'll show you. I appreciate a good challenging discussion, thanks.

PeacockSteve

@JBK said:
Here's one for you to ponder...

If in fact there were two dropped numbers that means the gunk that got clogged in the die dropped out. If that's the case, why is the date mostly missing? Clearly the grease-filled die was still grease-filled. 🤔

Maybe 1/2 or less of the gunk in the grease filled die fell out. Maybe that's why the two"9's" are only raised 5-10% or less. Then when the gunk fell out it land perfectly to create the two '6's" directly above and onto the two "9's".

JBK

That's your problem - you don't understand the minting process. It's not enough to assume that it's an error because it looks different. You need to be able to explain how it happened in the minting process.

I am just wondering what basis you will have for rejecting the TPG's assessment when it comes back as a simple grease-filled die.

In any case, you are paying what is called "tuition" because you refused the free education that people were offering.

safari_dude

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And the banker never wears a mac
In the pouring rain, very strange

I don't know what that means.

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MFeld

@PeacockSteve said:

Can someone please shed some light this ? I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks

The light has been shed by multiple knowledgeable respondents, You just don’t want to see it. Your continued posting of images and debate aren’t going to change reality.