This has to be bad for our hobby . . .

Russell12 · February 25, 2026 5:01AM

In various listings, this seller has sold almost a hundred of these. Calling it "2025 S Lincoln Shield Cent “Not Proof S 1¢” New P Penny With “S” Counter-Stamp". So he stamps an "S" on a coin, says it's a counterstamp and people buy it? This cannot be good for our hobby?!?!?!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/227185222853?_skw=2025+s+proof+lincoln+cent&itmmeta=01KJAABEXKWGM3GEN1M3HT6DBH&hash=item34e54b64c5:g:2sIAAeSwEfZpcqTe&itmprp=enc:AQALAAAA4GfYFPkwiKCW4ZNSs2u11xATeIkFEdsEpa2spbjgku8C5OFnwEVf7hCWDhQeMwePN9Gn4RQ8vyiAKs7ed9qB0HG7WD7tt9Ym22vRAK4PZZnAA6EOpvuf7+3ZYO2RZZxcLrZ4omDsTbgYzaVbpNR7t+DlMxcxT/qXpmC263fFsacKqAgYoeU9dtodK6Kc4Xi7delFdezD4c/JM1Uc9pQdbwNq+teKJxpnhm7tf9m+J1Zyy+sfYo9yhQ+8F+N3d8Hg9CXIx/zfNOdU4h1eYamdBtIe5lottQSq0hJ2XlIh3WIZ|tkp:Bk9SR5DvrcqSZw

rte592 · February 25, 2026 5:12AM

If you build it.... they will come.

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Russell12 · February 25, 2026 5:53AM

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I'll change my title. It is better? And it bad for our hobby just like counterfeit coins. New collectors buy this thinking it worth something, find out its junk and quit the hobby.

johnt · February 25, 2026 5:58AM

I fell for that kind of thing as an inexperienced kid. Those kinds of 'special releases' will always be floating around.

Creg · February 25, 2026 5:58AM

TallahasseeCoinClub · February 25, 2026 6:15AM

This smacks VERY much of my current post about countestamping "COPY" onto a genuine coin in order to elicit higher value.

Creg · February 25, 2026 6:52AM

Yes, it smacks. Dramatic revelation and emotional replies invite mocking concern, though.

johnny9434 · February 25, 2026 7:03AM

Do it yourself slabs, tis a bummer

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TallahasseeCoinClub · February 25, 2026 8:31AM

I've met Dan (long time ago) and he's all right with me! How do you feel about him?

Creg · February 25, 2026 9:17AM

@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
I've met Dan (long time ago) and he's all right with me! How do you feel about him?

BillJones · February 25, 2026 9:17AM

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I see no reason why this is bad for the hobby. Feel free to deface all the coins you want and see if you can sell them. People make cut out coins for jewelry, stamp JFK heads on Lincoln cents, stamp American flags on coins, make hobo nickels. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

The problem is when people find out that they have been cheated, they might sour on the whole hobby. It does not matter how honest the vast majority of dealers are, bad apples like this are not good for the hobby. > @jmlanzaf said:

@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
This smacks VERY much of my current post about countestamping "COPY" onto a genuine coin in order to elicit higher value.

How do you feel about Dan Carr?

I am not a roaring a fan. He makes stuff that could be palmed on ignorant people in the future. Yes, he makes "coins" which do not exist, like a 1964 Morgan Dollar. You know that, and I know that, but the general public does not.

numis1652 · February 25, 2026 10:22AM

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I see no reason why this is bad for the hobby. Feel free to deface all the coins you want and see if you can sell them. People make cut out coins for jewelry, stamp JFK heads on Lincoln cents, stamp American flags on coins, make hobo nickels. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

I disagree strongly why so- called “ clickbait titles “ are not needed.

They immediately attract readers. They are a method used in all journalism to attract otherwise lazy readers.

I am so tired of reading titles like “ this forum needs more humor “ used over and over again .

And yes, this eBay scam IS bad for the hobby.

Catbert · February 25, 2026 10:50AM

I strongly disagree that "click bait titles" are needed. They are, in my view, discourteous to other forum members and are poor internet form.

Anyway, I am somewhat sympathetic to the OPs concern, especially given the venue used which will attract unsuspecting buyers. Of course, it's legal but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Regarding Carr, I think his customer base is more sophisticated and therefore know what they are buying.

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TPring · February 25, 2026 11:20AM

@Russell12 said:
In various listings, this seller has sold almost a hundred of these. Calling it "2025 S Lincoln Shield Cent “Not Proof S 1¢” New P Penny With “S” Counter-Stamp". So he stamps an "S" on a coin, says it's a counterstamp and people buy it? This cannot be good for our hobby?!?!?!

I don't see the problem with this -- The seller clearly spelled out what his "product" is and is not putting anybody under duress to purchase it. He is in fact an entrepreneur which is a good thing IMO. He may or may not be good for the hobby, but he is good for the economy: He is keeping money/cash flowing. If the "hobby" is filled with ignorant/lazy people that spend money unwisely then that is on them [not the hobby]. I would rather have the person who knows how to legally/ethically make money have it rather than someone who is not intelligent enough to spend wisely.

I would like to see the guy branch out and create some RPMs since there haven't been any on the cent since 1989 -- It might give him some more sales.

numis1652 · February 25, 2026 11:22AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
I've met Dan (long time ago) and he's all right with me! How do you feel about him?

He's all right with me. I've already told you that I don't mind counterstamps. But if this eBay guy is a danger, Mr. Carr is 1000x more dangerous.

“ Mr Carr is 1000x more dangerous “ ? Would you have said this in the mid 1800 ‘s about Bushnell, Lovett and other diesinkers who struck many copies of rare early American coins & tokens, all of which
are avidly collected today ? And what about thousands of different Civil War tokens struck for collectors in the Civil War period ?

Catbert · February 25, 2026 11:23AM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Catbert said:
I strongly disagree that "click bait titles" are needed. They are, in my view, discourteous to other forum members and are poor internet form.

Anyway, I am somewhat sympathetic to the OPs concern, especially given the venue used which will attract unsuspecting buyers. Of course, it's legal but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Regarding Carr, I think his customer base is more sophisticated and therefore know what they are buying.

And the person who buys it from an estate sale and thinks it's a rare pattern? Or the person who buys it from MM to try to sell it on eBay as a rare pattern?

Very strange double standard. A guy stamps an S on a coin and TELLS EVERYONE HE STAMPED IT, and he's a threat.

Meh, I think you overstate the danger regarding Carr.

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Catbert · February 25, 2026 12:35PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Catbert said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@Catbert said:
I strongly disagree that "click bait titles" are needed. They are, in my view, discourteous to other forum members and are poor internet form.

Anyway, I am somewhat sympathetic to the OPs concern, especially given the venue used which will attract unsuspecting buyers. Of course, it's legal but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Regarding Carr, I think his customer base is more sophisticated and therefore know what they are buying.

And the person who buys it from an estate sale and thinks it's a rare pattern? Or the person who buys it from MM to try to sell it on eBay as a rare pattern?

Very strange double standard. A guy stamps an S on a coin and TELLS EVERYONE HE STAMPED IT, and he's a threat.

Meh, I think you overstate the danger regarding Carr.

I didn't state a danger, other than he's more dangerous than counterstamped cent guy.

And now you've qualified using that term. Are you always so compelled to respond to anyone that might have a legitimately different view than yours?

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mr1931S · February 25, 2026 1:06PM

Americans love gimmicks and will pay up for a good gimmick.

olympicsos · February 25, 2026 1:19PM

@BillJones said:

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I see no reason why this is bad for the hobby. Feel free to deface all the coins you want and see if you can sell them. People make cut out coins for jewelry, stamp JFK heads on Lincoln cents, stamp American flags on coins, make hobo nickels. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

The problem is when people find out that they have been cheated, they might sour on the whole hobby. It does not matter how honest the vast majority of dealers are, bad apples like this are not good for the hobby. > @jmlanzaf said:

@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
This smacks VERY much of my current post about countestamping "COPY" onto a genuine coin in order to elicit higher value.

How do you feel about Dan Carr?

I am not a roaring a fan. He makes stuff that could be palmed on ignorant people in the future. Yes, he makes "coins" which do not exist, like a 1964 Morgan Dollar. You know that, and I know that, but the general public does not.

Dan Carr does more authentic reproductions of classic designs than the mint. Honestly the mint should take a page and use his tooling/engraving to help.

lermish · February 25, 2026 2:49PM

@numis1652 said:

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I see no reason why this is bad for the hobby. Feel free to deface all the coins you want and see if you can sell them. People make cut out coins for jewelry, stamp JFK heads on Lincoln cents, stamp American flags on coins, make hobo nickels. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

I disagree strongly why so- called “ clickbait titles “ are not needed.

They immediately attract readers. They are a method used in all journalism to attract otherwise lazy readers.

Maywood · February 25, 2026 2:55PM

If you think this sort of thing "isn't good for the Hobby" then you haven't been collecting long enough.

MasonG · February 25, 2026 3:06PM

@jmlanzaf said:
If China sells fantasy trade dollars (impossible year/mm combinations), they are a bought on the hobby. But if DC does it, it's wonderful medallic art.

Some people seem to think so.

BillJones · February 25, 2026 3:33PM

@olympicsos said:

@BillJones said:

@jmlanzaf said:
I do not understand why we need clickbait titles.

I see no reason why this is bad for the hobby. Feel free to deface all the coins you want and see if you can sell them. People make cut out coins for jewelry, stamp JFK heads on Lincoln cents, stamp American flags on coins, make hobo nickels. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of it.

The problem is when people find out that they have been cheated, they might sour on the whole hobby. It does not matter how honest the vast majority of dealers are, bad apples like this are not good for the hobby. > @jmlanzaf said:

@TallahasseeCoinClub said:
This smacks VERY much of my current post about countestamping "COPY" onto a genuine coin in order to elicit higher value.

How do you feel about Dan Carr?

I am not a roaring a fan. He makes stuff that could be palmed on ignorant people in the future. Yes, he makes "coins" which do not exist, like a 1964 Morgan Dollar. You know that, and I know that, but the general public does not.

Dan Carr does more authentic reproductions of classic designs than the mint. Honestly the mint should take a page and use his tooling/engraving to help.

What is “an authentic reproduction?” Is that a really good counterfeit?

justcollecting · February 25, 2026 4:54PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@Catbert said:
I strongly disagree that "click bait titles" are needed. They are, in my view, discourteous to other forum members and are poor internet form.

Anyway, I am somewhat sympathetic to the OPs concern, especially given the venue used which will attract unsuspecting buyers. Of course, it's legal but doesn't mean I have to like it.

Regarding Carr, I think his customer base is more sophisticated and therefore know what they are buying.

And the person who buys it from an estate sale and thinks it's a rare pattern? Or the person who buys it from MM to try to sell it on eBay as a rare pattern?

Very strange double standard. A guy stamps an S on a coin and TELLS EVERYONE HE STAMPED IT, and he's a threat.

I think there is a little difference with Carr and schisters, Dans coins are worth money.

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justcollecting · February 25, 2026 5:11PM

I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.

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Steven59 · February 25, 2026 5:35PM

@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.

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How can this be a scam:

"This coin is 2025 minted in Philadelphia with the counter-stamp “S”. It comes with one Slab-holder.
This coin is not graded by any grading company.
This item is a hole filler, fantasy it is not the real coin that is minted in San Francisco.
This product is NOT:
“The 2025 S Lincoln Shield Cent Proof 1¢ New Penny is a valuable and sought-after coin minted by the United States Mint in San Francisco. This coin is uncirculated and struck in proof quality, making it a desirable addition to any collection of US coins. The Lincoln Shield design, featuring the iconic image of President Abraham Lincoln, adds historical and patriotic significance to this small cent denomination coin.”
"I created this as a fantasy to be more affordable for people to buy as a hole filler for their collection"
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If anybody is low IQ to not understand this then the blame for buying it under false pretenses is on their shoulders - not the sellers.

MasonG · February 25, 2026 5:47PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.

If he aspires to being a scammer, he's going to have to work on his technique...

"This item is a hole filler, fantasy it is not the real coin that is minted in San Francisco.
I created this as a fantasy to be more affordable for people to buy as a hole filler for their collection:"

This approach just won't cut it, if you ask me.

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Bullsitter · February 25, 2026 5:55PM

Just ordered this, test strikes next week.....
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MasonG · February 25, 2026 6:01PM

More eBay fraud...

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World67 · February 25, 2026 7:03PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@MasonG said:

@jmlanzaf said:
If China sells fantasy trade dollars (impossible year/mm combinations), they are a bought on the hobby. But if DC does it, it's wonderful medallic art.

Some people seem to think so.

I know. And I don't care which side people come down on. But be consistent. Now counterstamps that are identified as counterstamps are a problem?

You have to admit, this one is bad for the hobby.

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MFeld · February 25, 2026 7:20PM

@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.

If you can’t understand that the seller is providing full disclosure, appears not to be trying to take advantage of anyone or perpetrating a “scam” but that’s still not ok with you, so be it.

Alpha2814 · February 25, 2026 7:25PM

@jmlanzaf said:
Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.

If you read the listing, you're doing way better than most eBay buyers.

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justcollecting · February 25, 2026 7:57PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@justcollecting said:
I think the guy is purposefully trying to take advantage of the less knowledgeable, he could also be called a scammer but if you can't understand that or if that is ok with you so be it.

I think the guy is selling a properly labeled and properly advertised novelty item. I'm perfectly alright with it. And I see no difference between that and 1000 other novelties, including MM, gold plated coins and the like. Do i buy them? No. I don't like them. But I'm not going to begrudge his legal activities.

Did you even read his listing? He admits to creating it as a fantasy hole-filler.

I equate this guy to Mike Mezack (TV Coin guy) I bet your educated enough not to buy from Mike but look how many do. Sure the guy has every right to do what he's doing, doesn't mean it's not sleazy. It's almost like a used car salesman. (I know there's a lot of good used car salesmen but just like this guy they all are not.) And I think that is what the OP was trying to say.

This has to be bad for our hobby . . .

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