@Coinscratch said:
I have one in my collection just to have one in my collection.
And I was trying real hard not to sell it.
But now I'm convinced I must sell it.
Any takers
However the toning can be very unique. Some that I bought and sold while looking for a score.
I wish anacs kept the blue slab label. It looks better
Ugh, the Morgans. They sure do steal the show. Go into any coin show and it's table after table of MS morgans, all identical, people oohing and ahhing over this date or that VAM or toning or whatever .. they seem to get more attention than everything else combined.
And then I tune in to the coin auctions (guilty pleasure even when I'm not buying anything), and it's good fun seeing what everything goes for.. and then the Morgans come on, then it's hours of identical MS morgans, one after another, pulling great big prices as if they are "rare" .. well OK maybe that particular date/VAM is rare, but there are so many of those that the rarity kinda goes away, doesn't it?
Most monthly shows wouldn’t exist it weren’t for Morgan Dollars. Millions exist in most every grade imaginable. Let’s be real, there aren’t a glut of dealers at these shows selling large amounts of large cents, bust, seated material, etc.
@Colonialcoin said:
Most monthly shows wouldn’t exist it weren’t for Morgan Dollars. Millions exist in most every grade imaginable. Let’s be real, there aren’t a glut of dealers at these shows selling large amounts of large cents, bust, seated material, etc.
Quantity available (or sold) and show-stealing aren’t necessarily synonymous.
And I can imagine several grades of Morgan dollars that don’t exist in a quantity of millions.
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@TimNH said:
Ugh, the Morgans. They sure do steal the show.
Or do they hijack the show? 🤔
Go into any coin show and it's table after table of MS morgans, all identical, people oohing and ahhing over this date or that VAM or toning or whatever .. they seem to get more attention than everything else combined.
And then I tune in to the coin auctions (guilty pleasure even when I'm not buying anything), and it's good fun seeing what everything goes for.. and then the Morgans come on, then it's hours of identical MS morgans, one after another, pulling great big prices as if they are "rare" .. well OK maybe that particular date/VAM is rare, but there are so many of those that the rarity kinda goes away, doesn't it?
Don't get me started on Morgans...
Looks like you already got yourself started. 😆
I'm glad people like Morgan's but a few are enough for me. I assume they're so popular because they are so available.
Once one gets them it is hard to convince them to let go
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They’re alright. I guess every hobby needs some inescapable material. The last regular-issue 90% silver dollar? No. (Peace Dollar). The last allegorical Liberty on a silver dollar? No. (Peace Dollar). Contains the largest issue of any silver dollar? No. (1922 Philly Peace Dollar). Rare? No.
Prettiest design? Certainly not.
Might be a show stealer the same way a Cessna 172 would get attention at an air show………
At first I thought he just meant to say which, is true. Is that every show you go to you find a ton of Morgans.
At the Houston show recently there were only a couple (of 150) tables that had strictly Morgans and maybe half of them had a few. The show stopper for me was while I was a gazing at this octagonal gold piece thinking yea these are expensive.
The cowboy next to me (you can always tell when they're wearing starched wranglers) asked to look at it. And for a few moments he looked puzzled and then told the dealer he couldn't believe that it was only graded 50 and asked how much.
The dealer said 110 and I looked at him, he looked at me, then we both looked at the coin again
Then I just slowly backed away with my two Morgans in my pocket.
Morgans are a great gateway coin for a new collector. You can find them in relatively high grade for early 1880's under $100. A nice MS66 can be had under $300 and MS67 will not bankrupt an average collector.
Sadly that can't be sad for many "classic" series. Sure, there are better designs but when you hold that Morgan, it just speaks to you.
@Samets said:
Morgans are a great gateway coin for a new collector. You can find them in relatively high grade for early 1880's under $100. A nice MS66 can be had under $300 and MS67 will not bankrupt an average collector.
Sadly that can't be sad for many "classic" series. Sure, there are better designs but when you hold that Morgan, it just speaks to you.
My expensive ubiquitous Morgans spoke to me recently. They told me to sell them and sink the proceeds into rare die marriages in another series.
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OUT with the expensive R1 Morgans!
.
.
And IN with the rare R7 "Weird F" SLH die marriages.
(First three photos by GFRC; last photo by Stacks Bowers)
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
I'm not offended and I don't think it's controversial per se...but many of us don't think it's obvious and, in fact, think you're very wrong.
Everyone should collect what they like and not criticize the likes of others. However, by stating (essentially) that Morgans are the best and it's obvious, you are (presumably unintentionally) insulting the taste of the vast majority of collectors here.
This thread would have gone much more smoothly if it was titled something like "Morgans Are My Favorite Series".
@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
I'm not offended and I don't think it's controversial per se...but many of us don't think it's obvious and, in fact, think you're very wrong.
Everyone should collect what they like and not criticize the likes of others. However, by stating (essentially) that Morgans are the best and it's obvious, you are (presumably unintentionally) insulting the taste of the vast majority of collectors here.
This thread would have gone much more smoothly if it was titled something like "Morgans Are My Favorite Series".
You mean “choke out” all the dealer cases? Morgans would be so much more interesting if there were less of them. The vast majority weren’t used as coins anyway, more like the American Eagle of the 1800’s. None of them are particularly rare, just big and expensive. I currently have one, that I’m going to sell 😂.
I’m glad people like Morgans, I’ll never understand that bottomless pit though.
I do have a soft spot for the pretty toned ones, however.
@Morgan13 said:
When I go to coin shows I am always looking for a good deal on a Morgan.
I have actually been changing my thinking though.
I want to branch out.
If you put all your Morgans in a row they are all basically the same. The dates are different but not the design.
I am actually just as much a fan of WLH's and Barbers. @mrbrklyn Kind of broad statement to make but provocative and I enjoy the conversation.
You’re looking to go from one series that all look the same to two others that all look the same?
@MFeld said:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show”
To direct such a comment to a large group of collectors with varying collecting preferences, sounds silly to me.
It can seem silly to you. Morgans are still the kings of any coin show, and the King of US numismatics. It has always been that way. It will not change in the foreseeable future. Morgans get more attention and will outsell any other coin type, and that there are so many of them just fuels the business even more.
That’s not even close to being true, coin collecting in the US began en force when large copper coins started disappearing from circulation. Morgan’s hadn’t even been minted yet.
@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
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@MFeld said:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show”
To direct such a comment to a large group of collectors with varying collecting preferences, sounds silly to me.
It can seem silly to you. Morgans are still the kings of any coin show, and the King of US numismatics. It has always been that way. It will not change in the foreseeable future. Morgans get more attention and will outsell any other coin type, and that there are so many of them just fuels the business even more.
That’s not even close to being true, coin collecting in the US began en force when large copper coins started disappearing from circulation. Morgan’s hadn’t even been minted yet.
He’s not the first to have been wrong using the word “always” in situations where it didn’t apply.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@MFeld said:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show”
To direct such a comment to a large group of collectors with varying collecting preferences, sounds silly to me.
It can seem silly to you. Morgans are still the kings of any coin show, and the King of US numismatics. It has always been that way. It will not change in the foreseeable future. Morgans get more attention and will outsell any other coin type, and that there are so many of them just fuels the business even more.
That’s not even close to being true, coin collecting in the US began en force when large copper coins started disappearing from circulation. Morgan’s hadn’t even been minted yet.
Want to show the statistics for the gross sales in inflation corrected dollars in Nuismatics from say -- 1850 until today?
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
No, you’re the one putting your individual impression above the crowd. Numerous posters have expressed their disagreement with your points and thread title:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show.”
What matters is what each other collector - not just you - cares about. And if it’s coins other than Morgan dollars, those other coins are far more likely to “steal the show” for them.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Frankly when I attend a local show, and there's not much of anything but bullion and Morgan Dollars, I don't stay very long.
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
I don't like the aggressive nature of your responses. I'm done with you.
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
No, you’re the one putting your individual impression above the crowd. Numerous posters have expressed their disagreement with your points and thread title:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show.”
What matters is what each other collector - not just you - cares about. And if it’s coins other than Morgan dollars, those other coins are far more likely to “steal the show” for them.
Have you "clarified" your mind?
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
I don't like the aggressive nature of your responses. I'm done with you.
@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
I don't like the aggressive nature of your responses. I'm done with you.
I was just quoting his own words back to him.
And that photo isn't accurate, the evicted guest is about 5 feet too far to the right. 😉
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@mrbrklyn said:
I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
@MFeld said:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show”
To direct such a comment to a large group of collectors with varying collecting preferences, sounds silly to me.
It can seem silly to you. Morgans are still the kings of any coin show, and the King of US numismatics. It has always been that way. It will not change in the foreseeable future. Morgans get more attention and will outsell any other coin type, and that there are so many of them just fuels the business even more.
That’s not even close to being true, coin collecting in the US began en force when large copper coins started disappearing from circulation. Morgan’s hadn’t even been minted yet.
Want to show the statistics for the gross sales in inflation corrected dollars in Nuismatics from say -- 1850 until today?
Do you believe that would, in any way, change the fact that coin collecting, even in the US, began WELL before the Morgan dollar? It would provide no additional insight. If you wanna waste some time proving nothing relevant, go ahead.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to argue that Morgan Dollars aren’t completely and utterly ubiquitous and overbearing at coin shows, many of us just believe that they’re the the potatoes, not the gravy…certainly not the dessert.
Besides, the KING of American coins, for a very long time, has been given to the 1804 dollar. I’d probably trade an entire set of choice mint state Morgans for a single Type 1 1804 of the same grade.
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I wish anacs kept the blue slab label. It looks better
Ugh, the Morgans. They sure do steal the show. Go into any coin show and it's table after table of MS morgans, all identical, people oohing and ahhing over this date or that VAM or toning or whatever .. they seem to get more attention than everything else combined.
And then I tune in to the coin auctions (guilty pleasure even when I'm not buying anything), and it's good fun seeing what everything goes for.. and then the Morgans come on, then it's hours of identical MS morgans, one after another, pulling great big prices as if they are "rare" .. well OK maybe that particular date/VAM is rare, but there are so many of those that the rarity kinda goes away, doesn't it?
Don't get me started on Morgans...
My ONLY Morgan for type. That is plenty for my collection.
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Most monthly shows wouldn’t exist it weren’t for Morgan Dollars. Millions exist in most every grade imaginable. Let’s be real, there aren’t a glut of dealers at these shows selling large amounts of large cents, bust, seated material, etc.
Look on the bright side. All those people oohing and ahhing over them aren't driving up the prices of more interesting coins.
Quantity available (or sold) and show-stealing aren’t necessarily synonymous.
And I can imagine several grades of Morgan dollars that don’t exist in a quantity of millions.
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Or do they hijack the show? 🤔
Looks like you already got yourself started. 😆
I'm glad people like Morgan's but a few are enough for me. I assume they're so popular because they are so available.
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You've been going to the wrong shows.
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I think the fact that he posted a rather controversal topic and a bunch of people posted Morgans might say something.
That they are so common everyone has one?
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They’re alright. I guess every hobby needs some inescapable material. The last regular-issue 90% silver dollar? No. (Peace Dollar). The last allegorical Liberty on a silver dollar? No. (Peace Dollar). Contains the largest issue of any silver dollar? No. (1922 Philly Peace Dollar). Rare? No.
Prettiest design? Certainly not.
Might be a show stealer the same way a Cessna 172 would get attention at an air show………
At first I thought he just meant to say which, is true. Is that every show you go to you find a ton of Morgans.
At the Houston show recently there were only a couple (of 150) tables that had strictly Morgans and maybe half of them had a few. The show stopper for me was while I was a gazing at this octagonal gold piece thinking yea these are expensive.
The cowboy next to me (you can always tell when they're wearing starched wranglers) asked to look at it. And for a few moments he looked puzzled and then told the dealer he couldn't believe that it was only graded 50 and asked how much.
The dealer said 110 and I looked at him, he looked at me, then we both looked at the coin again
Then I just slowly backed away with my two Morgans in my pocket.
Morgans are a great gateway coin for a new collector. You can find them in relatively high grade for early 1880's under $100. A nice MS66 can be had under $300 and MS67 will not bankrupt an average collector.
Sadly that can't be sad for many "classic" series. Sure, there are better designs but when you hold that Morgan, it just speaks to you.
My expensive ubiquitous Morgans spoke to me recently. They told me to sell them and sink the proceeds into rare die marriages in another series.
.
OUT with the expensive R1 Morgans!
.
.
And IN with the rare R7 "Weird F" SLH die marriages.
(First three photos by GFRC; last photo by Stacks Bowers)
Not sure I agree. Never been a huge fan of the design and there are how many millions of them around. Way too common.
But that's the great thing about this hobby, to each their own.
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I didn't really mean any controversary with it. It thought I was stating the obvious.
I'm not offended and I don't think it's controversial per se...but many of us don't think it's obvious and, in fact, think you're very wrong.
Everyone should collect what they like and not criticize the likes of others. However, by stating (essentially) that Morgans are the best and it's obvious, you are (presumably unintentionally) insulting the taste of the vast majority of collectors here.
This thread would have gone much more smoothly if it was titled something like "Morgans Are My Favorite Series".
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You were stating the obvious (for yourself and perhaps many others). But certainly not for a large number of other collectors. Words such as “no matter where” and “always steal the show” don’t apply to those other collectors.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Morgans are overrated
An oblong trade dollar would steal the show.
You mean “choke out” all the dealer cases? Morgans would be so much more interesting if there were less of them. The vast majority weren’t used as coins anyway, more like the American Eagle of the 1800’s. None of them are particularly rare, just big and expensive. I currently have one, that I’m going to sell 😂.
I’m glad people like Morgans, I’ll never understand that bottomless pit though.
I do have a soft spot for the pretty toned ones, however.
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You’re looking to go from one series that all look the same to two others that all look the same?
Maybe consider early copper.
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That’s not even close to being true, coin collecting in the US began en force when large copper coins started disappearing from circulation. Morgan’s hadn’t even been minted yet.
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No - it was an OBVIOUS statement of FACT. If you don't agree, then clarify your mind. Without all those Morgans in the market, your job at Heritage probably wouldn't exist. You are putting your individual impression above the crowd.
He’s not the first to have been wrong using the word “always” in situations where it didn’t apply.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Want to show the statistics for the gross sales in inflation corrected dollars in Nuismatics from say -- 1850 until today?
Because you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a Morgan.
That's just like his opinion man. Morgans are like dog poop; they are EVERYWHERE. I bet there are more of them at shows than any other coin.
No, you’re the one putting your individual impression above the crowd. Numerous posters have expressed their disagreement with your points and thread title:
“No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show.”
What matters is what each other collector - not just you - cares about. And if it’s coins other than Morgan dollars, those other coins are far more likely to “steal the show” for them.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
This absurd thread is further evidence that people on the internet can (and do) argue, passionately, about the most mundane things!
Frankly when I attend a local show, and there's not much of anything but bullion and Morgan Dollars, I don't stay very long.
Whatever coin shop you go into, bullion always steal the show. If that wasn’t true, why would they buy and sell so much of it?
I don't like the aggressive nature of your responses. I'm done with you.
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Have you "clarified" your mind?
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I was just quoting his own words back to him.
And that photo isn't accurate, the evicted guest is about 5 feet too far to the right. 😉
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No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morons always steal the show
"No matter where you go in coin collecting, Morgans always steal the show"
I have attended shows that didn't have sellers with any Morgan dollars. So- not always.
Get real! If @mrbrklyn says “always”, it’s always. And that’s even though there are exceptions. 😉
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That's exactly it. They're old, attractive, and affordable.
Nothing wrong with Morgans but I prefer the aesthetics of the Peace Dollar. To each their own...
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At least you're now clarified
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Fact? > @mrbrklyn said:
Do you believe that would, in any way, change the fact that coin collecting, even in the US, began WELL before the Morgan dollar? It would provide no additional insight. If you wanna waste some time proving nothing relevant, go ahead.
I don’t think anyone here is trying to argue that Morgan Dollars aren’t completely and utterly ubiquitous and overbearing at coin shows, many of us just believe that they’re the the potatoes, not the gravy…certainly not the dessert.
Besides, the KING of American coins, for a very long time, has been given to the 1804 dollar. I’d probably trade an entire set of choice mint state Morgans for a single Type 1 1804 of the same grade.
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