@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been class
I agree for the most part. Except, I think that if they were issued at $175, there would not have been a frenzy, they would not have sold out, and the street price would not have been $175.
As you know the psychology of this is people wanting what they can't have, and not caring about things freely available. The only reason I think the Congratulations Sets could be good is because 60K<100K.
And, I might even be wrong there. RCTV had the proof 2026Ws last night in PR70 FDOI in a signed label for $275 each if you buy 5. An unusually small premium for TV. FDOI, and hand signed labels. Which tells me 500K of them at $175 are going to be dogs. Not "hot."
@NJCoin said:
They ARE adding a special coin to the sets -- the pennies, which will not be circulating, and will be unavailable elsewhere. That's it.
It is too early to say what is in the sets at this point. You can think you know, but it is like claiming to know what the weather will be in three weeks. If it was any other year i would agree, but they may have more coins to add than what everyone thinks is all I am saying. They have hinted on their website there could be more coins. For example, the Trump presidential coin I think will be a circulating coin, and that could or could not also be in the uncirculated set if it happens.
The mint has not released any collector products three weeks into the new year. They are backed up badly and it may not be the high mintage year you expect. Everything keeps getting pushed back.
You're right. The sets will have whatever they have. And they'll make as many as they make. But counting on a single set less than 190K is a huge gamble, because you won't know that until well after any return period.
My point is simply that $124.50 does not reflect whatever "special" one time only 2026 goodies might be in the sets, because $124.50 is the new price for ALL uncirculated sets. Including 2021, which have nothing special, and where you can buy as many as you want, right now, at $124.50. Not $33.25, or anything in between.
@NJCoin said:
My point is simply that $124.50 does not reflect whatever "special" one time only 2026 goodies might be in the sets, because $124.50 is the new price for ALL uncirculated sets. Including 2021, which have nothing special, and where you can buy as many as you want, right now, at $124.50. Not $33.25, or anything in between.
People are only subscribing for the 2026 set, and nothing else. And until we know what is in the set, we can't say one way or the other what it will do. We should know how many they have made though, and since they are backed up, maybe they make less than last year. That's why having a subscription is the easy way to ensure you get the coins.
The mint is going to have about 35% fewer sales for many of these products going forward, and when that happens the price will be more reflective of what the value is for those products as they will be key issues. Nobody should buy any of the past issues on the mint website as those are high mintage now compared to what is in the future.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
I'm still holding out hope that the price on uncirculated sets and clad proof set prices will come down, that is just too high for many sales of essentially pocket change. We'll see, there is always that cancel the subscription button, or just leave them on pause forever awaiting a return to sanity.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
@Old_Collector said:
I'm still holding out hope that the price on uncirculated sets and clad proof set prices will come down, that is just too high for many sales of essentially pocket change. We'll see, there is always that cancel the subscription button, or just leave them on pause forever awaiting a return to sanity.
Unlikely, unless the published prices are mistakes. Which they do not appear to be.
Maybe after a year, if a lot of product sits unsold. But certainly not in reaction to reflexive subscription cancellations.
They had to have known such a violent price increase would be a shock to our system. It's an open question regarding whether or not any consumer boycott will be sustained.
And, remember, they are allowed to make mistakes, and don't have to correct them. They don't have a board of directors or shareholders to answer to. No one's stock options or year end bonus will be impacted if numismatic sales fall off a cliff.
@NJCoin said:
Unlikely, unless the published prices are mistakes. Which they do not appear to be.
And, remember, they are allowed to make mistakes, and don't have to correct them.
Why is raising prices when they have to cover expenses a mistake? We may not like it, but all businesses strive to make money, and the government is in a huge deficit. I actually think the mint is not unhappy at all, and will continue to issue coins regardless of the mintages. They are probably patting themselves on the back for this.
@kiyote said:
People want the 2025 set because it contains the very last final Lincoln cent.
People will want the 2026 set for the same reason. 😜
The mint will keep making the cents for annual sets in the future, right?
Yes.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
Great question. I didn't think they should have minted beyond their Omega stamped/gold set...SQ or not...but they obviously see dollar signs in their eyes.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@kiyote said:
People want the 2025 set because it contains the very last final Lincoln cent.
People will want the 2026 set for the same reason. 😜
The mint will keep making the cents for annual sets in the future, right?
Yes.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
Great question. I didn't think they should have minted beyond their Omega stamped/gold set...SQ or not...but they obviously see dollar signs in their eyes.
Why have the sets continued to have 50 cent coins when, in most recent years, they were not released for commerce. And the dollar coins...???
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
If you're talking about the regular proof eagles, I don't have any active subscription.
The "enhanced uncirculated" with (possibly) a 90,000 mintage and v the Congratulations coin are the 2 that I'm currently squatting on subscriptions.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
If you're talking about the regular proof eagles, I don't have any active subscription.
The "enhanced uncirculated" with (possibly) a 90,000 mintage and v the Congratulations coin are the 2 that I'm currently squatting on subscriptions.
I misunderstood. I didn't realize the uncirculated were "enhanced," so I missed them. In fact, thanks for the heads-up!
And, as I said, I am pretty sure the Congratulations will be fine at 60K, even if they are not home runs, so I agree with you there.
Edit -- I am pretty sure "enhanced" uncirculated is a typo, because the item number maps to regular uncirculated, as does the subscription page. 90K is typical for uncirculated West Point ASEs, and they did not sell out last year at that mintage until the rush ahead of the repricing.
@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
If you're talking about the regular proof eagles, I don't have any active subscription.
The "enhanced uncirculated" with (possibly) a 90,000 mintage and v the Congratulations coin are the 2 that I'm currently squatting on subscriptions.
I misunderstood. I didn't realize the uncirculated were "enhanced," so I missed them. In fact, thanks for the heads-up!
And, as I said, I am pretty sure the Congratulations will be fine at 60K, even if they are not home runs, so I agree with your there.
Yes, "allegedly". Lol
I will say that I'm torn on these. 100,000 mintage was usually the key figure. At our under had some legs, over usually quickly headed for bullion value. But I also think the headline number matters as much as the premium. A $90 coin at $30 silver was a $60 premium. That's not much different than a $170 coin at $95 silver. BUT, $170 is a significant number for many people, no matter what intrinsic is.
It's kind of the same issue as the comic coins. $400 for 2.5 ounces @ $95 on a percentage basis isn't that different than $275 on $50 silver or the $90 one ounce coins (I forget the current price). But the price itself starts to be prohibitive.
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@Mr Lindy said:
All but one of my subscriptions are paused, some for a couple years now. Never un paused but I assume it should be straight forward. Had 5 business days to pause before release a few months ago. Easy. Product info gets fleshed out 2 or 3 weeks before release.
If silver hits $300 an ounce by end of 2026 then customers are in for more increases...
You won't be able to unpause if the subscriptions are unavailable as many of the better ones already are. You should unpause if you get a chance and then pause if you change your mind later
Ehh. Other than the Congratulations Set, I am quite certain that, at the new prices, everything will be available, both for subscription and at release. While the Mint tests the upper limits of what the market will bear, it is likely a lot of this won't sell out.
Not at launch, and not by the end of the year. No matter how few they make.
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
TBD. Feel free to call me out if anything they just repriced, other than the Congratulations set, either does not become available for subscription at some point prior to release, and/or is difficult to obtain at release. At these prices, there is no "better" anything, other than a proof ASE with a 60K mintage.
Uncirculated sets may not. There are a lot of coins with limits. Even if they end up being available in large numbers, what i said remains true. You can anyways turn it off in the pre-release window but you can't always turn it on. [I'm not sure why you would argue that helpful advice. ]
The advice is solid. Unless you forget to turn it off and end up with product you didn't want.
My only point is that what was attractive last week is no longer attractive, and what was impossible to subscribe to last week will be easy to subscribe to going forward.
So, yeah, you can always turn it off, if you don't forget. You can also always turn it on. The only subscription you can't get right now that I expect not to open up before release, and to actually be difficult to get at release, is the Congratulations Set.
On a somewhat related note, given how we were going back and forth regarding how "hot" the military privy ASEs were, do you think they would have even sold out at $175? I'm not so sure and, if not, that should really inform what you think about all of this stuff at these prices, considering that tons of people with subscriptions have no idea about the new prices yet.
Proof silver eagles, proof sets, mint sets are all currently unavailable.
$175 was the street price, so it would have been close
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
If you're talking about the regular proof eagles, I don't have any active subscription.
The "enhanced uncirculated" with (possibly) a 90,000 mintage and v the Congratulations coin are the 2 that I'm currently squatting on subscriptions.
I misunderstood. I didn't realize the uncirculated were "enhanced," so I missed them. In fact, thanks for the heads-up!
And, as I said, I am pretty sure the Congratulations will be fine at 60K, even if they are not home runs, so I agree with your there.
Yes, "allegedly". Lol
I will say that I'm torn on these. 100,000 mintage was usually the key figure. At our under had some legs, over usually quickly headed for bullion value. But I also think the headline number matters as much as the premium. A $90 coin at $30 silver was a $60 premium. That's not much different than a $170 coin at $95 silver. BUT, $170 is a significant number for many people, no matter what intrinsic is.
It's kind of the same issue as the comic coins. $400 for 2.5 ounces @ $95 on a percentage basis isn't that different than $275 on $50 silver or the $90 one ounce coins (I forget the current price). But the price itself starts to be prohibitive.
Agreed! Enhanced uncirculated would be winners, because they would be atypical. Regular uncirculated at 90K, not so much, based on past performance and the price.
You are right about the premium, but discount that the headline number is not merely as important. It's much more important. It's why classic gold premiums shrink as spot gold rises.
It's why Mint sales decline every time they raise prices, because they either maintain margins in response to rising intrinsic value, or actually raise them in nominal dollars in order to maintain a percentage. They have a monopoly, so they can dictate price, but not value. Or demand.
So demand shrinks as a result, and even lowering final mintage far below published limits to meet the reduced demand does not support value, because it just drives out collectors, and, with them, future demand. This, along with the move away from a cash economy, is going to cause the eventual death of the hobby.
Jacking up prices of base metal annual sets in a money grab is only going to exacerbate the trend. They should be selling as many annual sets as they can, at the lowest prices that make sense for them, in order to bring people into the hobby. They'd probably also find there is a spot where they maximize profits at prices far below what they are now charging, but no one ever accused them of being astute business people.
@NJCoin said:
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
It's much too early to be claiming the value of the uncirculated sets when they have not announced them officially. They may be including more coins than they did in earlier sets, or just one special coin only available in that set. It could also just be what people expect as well, but until it is announced nobody knows at this point.
Years ago they added a special coin to one of the sets, and it may happen again.
They ARE adding a special coin to the sets -- the pennies, which will not be circulating, and will be unavailable elsewhere. That's it. That's the justification. The 2021 set has nothing special, and it is now $124.50 as well.
Accept it, this is just the new price. Based on the price action in the secondary market for the 2025s, they are banking on people valuing 190K cents not available anywhere else at around $50 each.
And they might, but I am sure not going to give them $50 for something that costs them less than a nickel to make, and has absolutely no intrinsic value at all. As far as I'm concerned, the Lincoln cent series ended in 2025.
They never pulled this crap with half dollars when they stopped making them for circulation, and I for one am just not going to go along with this now. It will be bad enough paying $175 for a coin with maybe $100 worth of silver in it. THAT at least has a potential to be worth something in the future if silver keeps rising, in addition to the numismatic premium people are placing on it now.
Paying $100 for two cents with no intrinsic value, when they are literally making, not 230, but nearly 230K, is a place I am unwilling to go. YMMV, but I feel confident that whoever ends up holding these for the long term at these prices is going to be sorry.
The only way to get an S minted penny except before 1974 was always the proof sets.
I don't think the Mint cares about bringing new people into the hobby. The 2019 "Explore and Discover" Coin Set, offered at $19, was the last time they made an effort to attract young people.
@NJCoin said:
So demand shrinks as a result, and even lowering final mintage far below published limits to meet the reduced demand does not support value, because it just drives out collectors, and, with them, future demand.
If this was true then there would only be about 232 Lincoln cent collectors left because the Omega cents would have driven out all the rest, but that didn't happen.
The rise in silver value alone has driven out more collectors than the mint ever can, because the many millions of existing silver coins are priced by bullion and not the mint anymore. The mint only issues a tiny fraction into the market compared to what already exists.
Lower mintages are better for collectors, not the other way around. If you want to buy something that drops in value, then go for the high mintage stuff that the mint offers.
@NJCoin said:
Because not only will would-be and actual flippers be discouraged, but those who bought multiples because they thought they had value will only buy one for a collection. And lots of other people will be priced out, because two special pennies and $5 worth of pocket change aren't worth $125 to them when lunch now costs $15.
It's much too early to be claiming the value of the uncirculated sets when they have not announced them officially. They may be including more coins than they did in earlier sets, or just one special coin only available in that set. It could also just be what people expect as well, but until it is announced nobody knows at this point.
Years ago they added a special coin to one of the sets, and it may happen again.
They ARE adding a special coin to the sets -- the pennies, which will not be circulating, and will be unavailable elsewhere. That's it. That's the justification. The 2021 set has nothing special, and it is now $124.50 as well.
Accept it, this is just the new price. Based on the price action in the secondary market for the 2025s, they are banking on people valuing 190K cents not available anywhere else at around $50 each.
And they might, but I am sure not going to give them $50 for something that costs them less than a nickel to make, and has absolutely no intrinsic value at all. As far as I'm concerned, the Lincoln cent series ended in 2025.
They never pulled this crap with half dollars when they stopped making them for circulation, and I for one am just not going to go along with this now. It will be bad enough paying $175 for a coin with maybe $100 worth of silver in it. THAT at least has a potential to be worth something in the future if silver keeps rising, in addition to the numismatic premium people are placing on it now.
Paying $100 for two cents with no intrinsic value, when they are literally making, not 230, but nearly 230K, is a place I am unwilling to go. YMMV, but I feel confident that whoever ends up holding these for the long term at these prices is going to be sorry.
The only way to get an S minted penny except before 1974 was always the proof sets.
Correct. And proof sets never cost $124.50, or $107.00. Until now. It's just a money grab, and it's going to drive people away from the hobby.
@NJCoin said:
So demand shrinks as a result, and even lowering final mintage far below published limits to meet the reduced demand does not support value, because it just drives out collectors, and, with them, future demand.
If this was true then there would only be about 232 Lincoln cent collectors left because the Omega cents would have driven out all the rest, but that didn't happen.
The rise in silver value alone has driven out more collectors than the mint ever can, because the many millions of existing silver coins are priced by bullion and not the mint anymore. The mint only issues a tiny fraction into the market compared to what already exists.
Lower mintages are better for collectors, not the other way around. If you want to buy something that drops in value, then go for the high mintage stuff that the mint offers.
No. That was a very special, very limited, one time thing meant for a very select group of collectors/investors. And there will, indeed, only be a maximum of 696 Omega cent collectors at any one time.
This is not that. These annual sets are made for the masses, and literally millions of people have one of more of them somewhere in their homes. 350 million people should have an opportunity to own one if they want to. Same with the annual proof sets.
Basically the difference between Kobe beef filet mignon and Hamburger Helper. Price annual coin sets out of the reach of average people, and you lose average people.
Forever in many cases. I get 10K FH Gold coins. I don't get artificially restricting sales of uncirculated sets, and then pricing them at a 2,139% mark up to face value.
@NJCoin said:
This is not that. These annual sets are made for the masses, and literally millions of people have one of more of them somewhere in their homes. 350 million people should have an opportunity to own one if they want to. Same with the annual proof sets.
They can, the guy on HSN sells the first 42 years of sets for only $999 or so, and they never go up in value. So the mint is doing everyone a favor by lowering the mintages, and not raising them.
@NJCoin said:
This is not that. These annual sets are made for the masses, and literally millions of people have one of more of them somewhere in their homes. 350 million people should have an opportunity to own one if they want to. Same with the annual proof sets.
They can, the guy on HSN sells the first 42 years of sets for only $999 or so, and they never go up in value. So the mint is doing everyone a favor by lowering the mintages, and not raising them.
Agree to disagree. The US Mint should not be competing with "the guy on HSN."
@kiyote said:
People want the 2025 set because it contains the very last final Lincoln cent.
People will want the 2026 set for the same reason. 😜
The mint will keep making the cents for annual sets in the future, right?
Yes.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
I got four cents among my change at the self checkout a few days ago. They are not "obsolete" or "non-circulatung". Not yet, anyway. They are simply no longer produced. Granted, that situation will eventually require a change in how cash transactions are handled, but for now they remain circulating legal tender.
The US Mint had record sales last week due to the surge in silver and everyone buying up all past silver issues. It may have been their largest week in almost 20 years in terms of breadth of buying.
@HalfDime said:
The US Mint had record sales last week due to the surge in silver and everyone buying up all past silver issues. It may have been their largest week in almost 20 years in terms of breadth of buying.
They'd sell more silver eagles at $75
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@kiyote said:
People want the 2025 set because it contains the very last final Lincoln cent.
People will want the 2026 set for the same reason. 😜
The mint will keep making the cents for annual sets in the future, right?
Yes.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
I got four cents among my change at the self checkout a few days ago. They are not "obsolete" or "non-circulatung". Not yet, anyway. They are simply no longer produced. Granted, that situation will eventually require a change in how cash transactions are handled, but for now they remain circulating legal tender.
There will be no 2026, or beyond, cents made for circulation. It's not complicated.
If you think they are now any less obsolete than buffalo nickels, just go to any bank and try to order a box. Let us know how you make out.
Just because you might find something in change, and just because it is "legal tender," does not make any particular coin either "circulating" or not "obsolete." They no longer make them, and they are no longer distributed by banks.
By my definition, they are obsolete, even though, technically, anything you get in change is "circulating." At least until you stick it in a jar and pull it from circulation.
@kiyote said:
People want the 2025 set because it contains the very last final Lincoln cent.
People will want the 2026 set for the same reason. 😜
The mint will keep making the cents for annual sets in the future, right?
Yes.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
I got four cents among my change at the self checkout a few days ago. They are not "obsolete" or "non-circulatung". Not yet, anyway. They are simply no longer produced. Granted, that situation will eventually require a change in how cash transactions are handled, but for now they remain circulating legal tender.
There will be no 2026, or beyond, cents made for circulation. It's not complicated.
If you think they are now any less obsolete than buffalo nickels, just go to any bank and try to order a box. Let us know how you make out.
Just because you might find something in change, and just because it is "legal tender," does not make any particular coin either "circulating" or not "obsolete." They no longer make them, and they are no longer distributed by banks.
By my definition, they are obsolete, even though, technically, anything you get in change is "circulating." At least until you stick it in a jar and pull it from circulation.
Some banks still provide cents, especially to business customers.
Were JFK halfs "obsolete" all those years they weren't minted for circulation? Then when they started releasing them again did they become not obsolete?
During the Civil War when coins largely disappeared from general circulation were they obsolete?
Small dollars of various designs have never been widely available at most banks. Were/are they obsolete even as they were/are still being minted?
As for Buffalo Nickeks, the design is obsolete, not the denomination.
If a coin is actively circulating and is legal tender then it is reasonable to view it as not obsolete.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I'm not sure i would conclude that. It's more about relative numbers than any blanket strategy. New collectors often do buy earlier sets. However, more sets come onto the market than there are new collectors. If you look at the mintages, they have been declining every year for a couple decades. So the population of earlier sets is higher than the total number of collectors now, not even just new collectors.
For silver proof sets, the peak was 1.175 million in 2004 (ignoring the 4 million 1976 sets). In 2023, it was down to 172,000. The 2025 number is 125,000.
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If there is NO mintage limit, then won't these fall in price ?
Will the Mint make a large quantity with the expectation that the average, non-collector, will purchase because of the non-circulating Lincoln cent ?
I just want to end up with ONE to keep my set going. Otherwise the speculators can play their games to the hilt.
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@SilverEagle1974 said:
If there is NO mintage limit, then won't these fall in price ?
Will the Mint make a large quantity with the expectation that the average, non-collector, will purchase because of the non-circulating Lincoln cent ?
Yes.
Not because of the cent. It's not a business strike and it's available in the regular proof set. It remains to be seen how many non- collectors want to spend $250 for the set. Non- collectors certainly don't care about the Lincoln. They will likely produce to order, not produce thousands hoping for orders.
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Poor Mans $107 clad proof set has red button along with 1776~2026 ASE at $173.
Well and the $245 w/ 1.47 ounce 2026 Silver set is buyable too.
I have never seen red button available for 26 Circ Unc set.
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Poor Mans $107 clad proof set has red button along with 1776~2026 ASE at $173.
Well and the $245 w/ 1.47 ounce 2026 Silver set is buyable too.
I have never seen red button available for 26 Circ Unc set.
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Yes, that's the only one I think might be a potential winner. The silver set could end up as one if they short run the mintage. The clad proof set has too high a mintage at that price. And the circ set has the lowest mintage and appears to be (future announcements are possible) the only place to get the circulation Lincolns.
People get too hung up on the silver as a PM. If you want silver, buy silver. There's little point in buying a silver proof set at more than double the price of silver, unless you want the set not the silver in the set.
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I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I'm not sure i would conclude that. It's more about relative numbers than any blanket strategy. New collectors often do but earlier sets. However, more sets come onto the nether than there are new collectors. If you look at the mintages, they have been declining every year for a couple decades. So the population of earlier sets is higher than the total number of collectors now, not even just new collectors.
For silver proof sets, the peak was 1.175 million in 2004 (ignoring the 4 million 1976 sets). In 2023, it was down to 172,000. The 2025 number is 125,000.
It's an inference. I'm aware of the mintages, though not by memory.
I infer collectors seem to buy these out of habit when buying from the US Mint, but not necessarily retrospectively in the secondary market. That's currently up to 70+ years of monotonous sets still at a cumulative cost of up to $000s with far more interesting and marketable coins available.
Fewer collectors probably, but a higher percentage might skip the pre-SQ clad entirely, start with SQ, or some year after 2008 if they collect anything older than the current year at all.
Longer term, I expect all sets back to 1950 to be dead money or lose (practically) all of the premium where it hasn't already, with exceptions for earlier dated CAMs or DCAMs. All of these sets are actually really common.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I'm not sure i would conclude that. It's more about relative numbers than any blanket strategy. New collectors often do but earlier sets. However, more sets come onto the nether than there are new collectors. If you look at the mintages, they have been declining every year for a couple decades. So the population of earlier sets is higher than the total number of collectors now, not even just new collectors.
For silver proof sets, the peak was 1.175 million in 2004 (ignoring the 4 million 1976 sets). In 2023, it was down to 172,000. The 2025 number is 125,000.
It's an inference. I'm aware of the mintages, though not by memory.
I infer collectors seem to buy these out of habit when buying from the US Mint, but not necessarily retrospectively in the secondary market. That's currently up to 70+ years of monotonous sets still at a cumulative cost of up to $000s with far more interesting and marketable coins available.
Fewer collectors probably, but a higher percentage might skip the pre-SQ clad entirely, start with SQ, or some year after 2008 if they collect anything older than the current year at all.
Longer term, I expect all sets back to 1950 to be dead money or lose (practically) all of the premium where it hasn't already, with exceptions for earlier dated CAMs or DCAMs. All of these sets are actually really common.
The clad are a different animal, entirely. Their numbers are roughly 3-5x higher and their prices are generally in the single digits. There is, of course, no silver demand for those either. The older silver sets (and I mean 1990s) often trade below melt, so stackers do buy them.
At the LCS's I frequent, there are new collectors who will look through and buy older proof sets. There just aren't a lot of them that buy proof sets at all, new or old. At the risk of a cladking screed on the subject, we are dangerously close to wholesale dumping of proof sets into Coinstars. A lot of dealers are only buying them at face value or below because there are almost no wholesale buy offers anywhere. They used to buy them and ship them, but they can't anymore. So, while they try to sell them (wholesale or retail), when the volume gets too large, they may end up in Coinstars.
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My last two orders for 2026 Unc sets are stuck in processing. Yet the 3 orders placed are in order history with assigned numbers. I only got email confirmation on 4 set order. This morning I thought maybe there's a problem placing a 4 and 3 and 2 item order even though there are no limits. Red Button went live again so I tried to adjust up my 4 set order and system said 4 is "GLOBAL ITEM LIMIT" yet there are no limits on 190k ad info.
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After I posted I had never seen Red Button availability I thought I would revisit it again.
@Mr Lindy said:
My last two orders for 2026 Unc sets are stuck in processing. Yet the 3 orders placed are in order history with assigned numbers. I only got email confirmation on 4 set order. This morning I thought maybe there's a problem placing a 4 and 3 and 2 item order even though there are no limits. Red Button went live again so I tried to adjust up my 4 set order and system said 4 is "GLOBAL ITEM LIMIT" yet there are no limits on 190k ad info.
@Mr Lindy said:
After I posted I had never seen Red Button availability I thought I would revisit it again.
There it was, red button !
Ordered 4 sets
Then looked again, red button !
Ordered 3 sets
AND I looked once more...
RED BUTTON !
Ordered 2 sets
One final looky~see and red button is gone
My FOMO 1776~2026 Unc Set has been cured !
Global limit means they aren't taking orders as the max order has been reached. Or, more simply, the item is currently unavailable
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I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I'm not sure i would conclude that. It's more about relative numbers than any blanket strategy. New collectors often do but earlier sets. However, more sets come onto the nether than there are new collectors. If you look at the mintages, they have been declining every year for a couple decades. So the population of earlier sets is higher than the total number of collectors now, not even just new collectors.
For silver proof sets, the peak was 1.175 million in 2004 (ignoring the 4 million 1976 sets). In 2023, it was down to 172,000. The 2025 number is 125,000.
It's an inference. I'm aware of the mintages, though not by memory.
I infer collectors seem to buy these out of habit when buying from the US Mint, but not necessarily retrospectively in the secondary market. That's currently up to 70+ years of monotonous sets still at a cumulative cost of up to $000s with far more interesting and marketable coins available.
Fewer collectors probably, but a higher percentage might skip the pre-SQ clad entirely, start with SQ, or some year after 2008 if they collect anything older than the current year at all.
Longer term, I expect all sets back to 1950 to be dead money or lose (practically) all of the premium where it hasn't already, with exceptions for earlier dated CAMs or DCAMs. All of these sets are actually really common.
The clad are a different animal, entirely. Their numbers are roughly 3-5x higher and their prices are generally in the single digits. There is, of course, no silver demand for those either. The older silver sets (and I mean 1990s) often trade below melt, so stackers do buy them.
At the LCS's I frequent, there are new collectors who will look through and buy older proof sets. There just aren't a lot of them that buy proof sets at all, new or old. At the risk of a cladking screed on the subject, we are dangerously close to wholesale dumping of proof sets into Coinstars. A lot of dealers are only buying them at face value or below because there are almost no wholesale buy offers anywhere. They used to buy them and ship them, but they can't anymore. So, while they try to sell them (wholesale or retail), when the volume gets too large, they may end up in Coinstars.
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I agree for the most part. Except, I think that if they were issued at $175, there would not have been a frenzy, they would not have sold out, and the street price would not have been $175.
As you know the psychology of this is people wanting what they can't have, and not caring about things freely available. The only reason I think the Congratulations Sets could be good is because 60K<100K.
And, I might even be wrong there. RCTV had the proof 2026Ws last night in PR70 FDOI in a signed label for $275 each if you buy 5. An unusually small premium for TV. FDOI, and hand signed labels. Which tells me 500K of them at $175 are going to be dogs. Not "hot."
You're right. The sets will have whatever they have. And they'll make as many as they make. But counting on a single set less than 190K is a huge gamble, because you won't know that until well after any return period.
My point is simply that $124.50 does not reflect whatever "special" one time only 2026 goodies might be in the sets, because $124.50 is the new price for ALL uncirculated sets. Including 2021, which have nothing special, and where you can buy as many as you want, right now, at $124.50. Not $33.25, or anything in between.
People are only subscribing for the 2026 set, and nothing else. And until we know what is in the set, we can't say one way or the other what it will do. We should know how many they have made though, and since they are backed up, maybe they make less than last year. That's why having a subscription is the easy way to ensure you get the coins.
The mint is going to have about 35% fewer sales for many of these products going forward, and when that happens the price will be more reflective of what the value is for those products as they will be key issues. Nobody should buy any of the past issues on the mint website as those are high mintage now compared to what is in the future.
Marine privies are widely available, on eBay, right now, in PR69 First Strike or Early Release, for $159 with free shipping. Both before and after the price increase.
With a mintage of 100K. I seriously doubt 500K 1776-2026 versions in OGP will be anything but dogs at $175.
Either they will grade well and be nothing special in 70 (likely), or they won't grade well and will just be another Marine privy, but with 5x the mintage. Discuss. 😀
In the meantime, you might want to reconsider your subscription.
Who said anything about secondary market price. This are currently unavailable for subscription.
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I'm still holding out hope that the price on uncirculated sets and clad proof set prices will come down, that is just too high for many sales of essentially pocket change. We'll see, there is always that cancel the subscription button, or just leave them on pause forever awaiting a return to sanity.
Right. Didn't you say you were keeping your subscription?
I'm asking whether 2026W subscriptions are "hot," even though they are currently unavailable, based on how 2025 Marine privies are doing right now, given that the 2026W will have 5x the mintage and sell for 67% more than the Marine privies at release.
Unlikely, unless the published prices are mistakes. Which they do not appear to be.
Maybe after a year, if a lot of product sits unsold. But certainly not in reaction to reflexive subscription cancellations.
They had to have known such a violent price increase would be a shock to our system. It's an open question regarding whether or not any consumer boycott will be sustained.
And, remember, they are allowed to make mistakes, and don't have to correct them. They don't have a board of directors or shareholders to answer to. No one's stock options or year end bonus will be impacted if numismatic sales fall off a cliff.
Why is raising prices when they have to cover expenses a mistake? We may not like it, but all businesses strive to make money, and the government is in a huge deficit. I actually think the mint is not unhappy at all, and will continue to issue coins regardless of the mintages. They are probably patting themselves on the back for this.
Why would next year's UNC, PRF, PRFSLVR sets include the cent -- an obsolete non-circulating coin -- in 2027 ? I get making them this year for SQ. .
Great question. I didn't think they should have minted beyond their Omega stamped/gold set...SQ or not...but they obviously see dollar signs in their eyes.
I am keeping them until I see the exact parameters of the offerings. As you probably know, I'm not a big believer in the long term value of 95+% of offerings. I'm also not a big believer in the SHORT term value of 80% of offerings. But I think the prudent position at this point is to wait-and-see and not make any snap judgments on any particular offering. That's especially true since the information currently on the Mint website seems a bit sketchy.
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Why have the sets continued to have 50 cent coins when, in most recent years, they were not released for commerce. And the dollar coins...???
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Fair enough, although these, with the release a mere one month away, are not in doubt. Maximum Mintage = 500K. Price = $173.
If you're talking about the regular proof eagles, I don't have any active subscription.
The "enhanced uncirculated" with (possibly) a 90,000 mintage and v the Congratulations coin are the 2 that I'm currently squatting on subscriptions.
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I misunderstood. I didn't realize the uncirculated were "enhanced," so I missed them. In fact, thanks for the heads-up!
And, as I said, I am pretty sure the Congratulations will be fine at 60K, even if they are not home runs, so I agree with you there.
Edit -- I am pretty sure "enhanced" uncirculated is a typo, because the item number maps to regular uncirculated, as does the subscription page. 90K is typical for uncirculated West Point ASEs, and they did not sell out last year at that mintage until the rush ahead of the repricing.
Yes, "allegedly". Lol
I will say that I'm torn on these. 100,000 mintage was usually the key figure. At our under had some legs, over usually quickly headed for bullion value. But I also think the headline number matters as much as the premium. A $90 coin at $30 silver was a $60 premium. That's not much different than a $170 coin at $95 silver. BUT, $170 is a significant number for many people, no matter what intrinsic is.
It's kind of the same issue as the comic coins. $400 for 2.5 ounces @ $95 on a percentage basis isn't that different than $275 on $50 silver or the $90 one ounce coins (I forget the current price). But the price itself starts to be prohibitive.
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Agreed! Enhanced uncirculated would be winners, because they would be atypical. Regular uncirculated at 90K, not so much, based on past performance and the price.
You are right about the premium, but discount that the headline number is not merely as important. It's much more important. It's why classic gold premiums shrink as spot gold rises.
It's why Mint sales decline every time they raise prices, because they either maintain margins in response to rising intrinsic value, or actually raise them in nominal dollars in order to maintain a percentage. They have a monopoly, so they can dictate price, but not value. Or demand.
So demand shrinks as a result, and even lowering final mintage far below published limits to meet the reduced demand does not support value, because it just drives out collectors, and, with them, future demand. This, along with the move away from a cash economy, is going to cause the eventual death of the hobby.
Jacking up prices of base metal annual sets in a money grab is only going to exacerbate the trend. They should be selling as many annual sets as they can, at the lowest prices that make sense for them, in order to bring people into the hobby. They'd probably also find there is a spot where they maximize profits at prices far below what they are now charging, but no one ever accused them of being astute business people.
The only way to get an S minted penny except before 1974 was always the proof sets.
I don't think the Mint cares about bringing new people into the hobby. The 2019 "Explore and Discover" Coin Set, offered at $19, was the last time they made an effort to attract young people.
If this was true then there would only be about 232 Lincoln cent collectors left because the Omega cents would have driven out all the rest, but that didn't happen.
The rise in silver value alone has driven out more collectors than the mint ever can, because the many millions of existing silver coins are priced by bullion and not the mint anymore. The mint only issues a tiny fraction into the market compared to what already exists.
Lower mintages are better for collectors, not the other way around. If you want to buy something that drops in value, then go for the high mintage stuff that the mint offers.
Correct. And proof sets never cost $124.50, or $107.00. Until now. It's just a money grab, and it's going to drive people away from the hobby.
No. That was a very special, very limited, one time thing meant for a very select group of collectors/investors. And there will, indeed, only be a maximum of 696 Omega cent collectors at any one time.
This is not that. These annual sets are made for the masses, and literally millions of people have one of more of them somewhere in their homes. 350 million people should have an opportunity to own one if they want to. Same with the annual proof sets.
Basically the difference between Kobe beef filet mignon and Hamburger Helper. Price annual coin sets out of the reach of average people, and you lose average people.
Forever in many cases. I get 10K FH Gold coins. I don't get artificially restricting sales of uncirculated sets, and then pricing them at a 2,139% mark up to face value.
They can, the guy on HSN sells the first 42 years of sets for only $999 or so, and they never go up in value. So the mint is doing everyone a favor by lowering the mintages, and not raising them.
Agree to disagree. The US Mint should not be competing with "the guy on HSN."
It's very strange that a us mint product that claims to be unlimited mintage has limited subscriptions that are unavailable again?
Is it? A lot of their unlimited or limited offerings have no subscriptions at all.
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I got four cents among my change at the self checkout a few days ago. They are not "obsolete" or "non-circulatung". Not yet, anyway. They are simply no longer produced. Granted, that situation will eventually require a change in how cash transactions are handled, but for now they remain circulating legal tender.
The US Mint had record sales last week due to the surge in silver and everyone buying up all past silver issues. It may have been their largest week in almost 20 years in terms of breadth of buying.
They'd sell more silver eagles at $75
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There will be no 2026, or beyond, cents made for circulation. It's not complicated.
If you think they are now any less obsolete than buffalo nickels, just go to any bank and try to order a box. Let us know how you make out.
Just because you might find something in change, and just because it is "legal tender," does not make any particular coin either "circulating" or not "obsolete." They no longer make them, and they are no longer distributed by banks.
By my definition, they are obsolete, even though, technically, anything you get in change is "circulating." At least until you stick it in a jar and pull it from circulation.
Some banks still provide cents, especially to business customers.
Were JFK halfs "obsolete" all those years they weren't minted for circulation? Then when they started releasing them again did they become not obsolete?
During the Civil War when coins largely disappeared from general circulation were they obsolete?
Small dollars of various designs have never been widely available at most banks. Were/are they obsolete even as they were/are still being minted?
As for Buffalo Nickeks, the design is obsolete, not the denomination.
If a coin is actively circulating and is legal tender then it is reasonable to view it as not obsolete.
"It's not complicated".
Bahamian pennies circulate yet they are neither obsolete nor legal tender.
Your post is as good as any since I agree with your sentiments on this coinage.
None of these mintages are actually low. These coins aren't bought as alternatives to most other lower quality circulating coinage. There aren't any other coins with this many high-quality survivors, other than other modern proofs and recent circulating coinage.
For the 2026 silver proof set, I can see it being a winner longer term from an increasing spot price, but where the premium mostly or entirely disappears. It mostly depends upon time horizon because short-term winners can and do later turn into longer term duds.
I see the 2026 silver set (not the clad proof or mint set) as somewhat of a potential exception because it's a one-year issue but not much of one. It's evident collectors don't actually like these sets that much from the aftermarket performance.
Going by the prices, it seems that new collectors don't go that far back if at all to buy prior sets. This must have already happened with SQ years since the 1999 is now selling at or near melt whereas I recall it peaking at $300 or $600 roughly 20 years ago. I expect the same thing to happen with recently issued sets later.
I'm not sure i would conclude that. It's more about relative numbers than any blanket strategy. New collectors often do buy earlier sets. However, more sets come onto the market than there are new collectors. If you look at the mintages, they have been declining every year for a couple decades. So the population of earlier sets is higher than the total number of collectors now, not even just new collectors.
For silver proof sets, the peak was 1.175 million in 2004 (ignoring the 4 million 1976 sets). In 2023, it was down to 172,000. The 2025 number is 125,000.
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If there is NO mintage limit, then won't these fall in price ?
Will the Mint make a large quantity with the expectation that the average, non-collector, will purchase because of the non-circulating Lincoln cent ?
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I just want to end up with ONE to keep my set going. Otherwise the speculators can play their games to the hilt.
Yes.
Not because of the cent. It's not a business strike and it's available in the regular proof set. It remains to be seen how many non- collectors want to spend $250 for the set. Non- collectors certainly don't care about the Lincoln. They will likely produce to order, not produce thousands hoping for orders.
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Poor Mans $107 clad proof set has red button along with 1776~2026 ASE at $173.
Well and the $245 w/ 1.47 ounce 2026 Silver set is buyable too.
I have never seen red button available for 26 Circ Unc set.
Yes, that's the only one I think might be a potential winner. The silver set could end up as one if they short run the mintage. The clad proof set has too high a mintage at that price. And the circ set has the lowest mintage and appears to be (future announcements are possible) the only place to get the circulation Lincolns.
People get too hung up on the silver as a PM. If you want silver, buy silver. There's little point in buying a silver proof set at more than double the price of silver, unless you want the set not the silver in the set.
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It's an inference. I'm aware of the mintages, though not by memory.
I infer collectors seem to buy these out of habit when buying from the US Mint, but not necessarily retrospectively in the secondary market. That's currently up to 70+ years of monotonous sets still at a cumulative cost of up to $000s with far more interesting and marketable coins available.
Fewer collectors probably, but a higher percentage might skip the pre-SQ clad entirely, start with SQ, or some year after 2008 if they collect anything older than the current year at all.
Longer term, I expect all sets back to 1950 to be dead money or lose (practically) all of the premium where it hasn't already, with exceptions for earlier dated CAMs or DCAMs. All of these sets are actually really common.
After I posted I had never seen Red Button availability I thought I would revisit it again.
There it was, red button !
Ordered 4 sets
Then looked again, red button !
Ordered 3 sets
AND I looked once more...
RED BUTTON !
Ordered 2 sets
One final looky~see and red button is gone
My FOMO 1776~2026 Unc Set has been cured !
The clad are a different animal, entirely. Their numbers are roughly 3-5x higher and their prices are generally in the single digits. There is, of course, no silver demand for those either. The older silver sets (and I mean 1990s) often trade below melt, so stackers do buy them.
At the LCS's I frequent, there are new collectors who will look through and buy older proof sets. There just aren't a lot of them that buy proof sets at all, new or old. At the risk of a cladking screed on the subject, we are dangerously close to wholesale dumping of proof sets into Coinstars. A lot of dealers are only buying them at face value or below because there are almost no wholesale buy offers anywhere. They used to buy them and ship them, but they can't anymore. So, while they try to sell them (wholesale or retail), when the volume gets too large, they may end up in Coinstars.
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Good for you. 👍
It keeps popping up randomly. Probably from cancellations but with the mint who knows. I finally got one also.
My last two orders for 2026 Unc sets are stuck in processing. Yet the 3 orders placed are in order history with assigned numbers. I only got email confirmation on 4 set order. This morning I thought maybe there's a problem placing a 4 and 3 and 2 item order even though there are no limits. Red Button went live again so I tried to adjust up my 4 set order and system said 4 is "GLOBAL ITEM LIMIT" yet there are no limits on 190k ad info.
Global limit means they aren't taking orders as the max order has been reached. Or, more simply, the item is currently unavailable
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Makes sense.
I just looked and 1776~2026 Silver proof set just decreased to "151,520 Mintage Limit"
Now I wish I had subscribed to more than 3 overpriced offers,
Or, is $245 a set still a bad admission fee ?
Clad proof set is still at 420,002 max