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Based on limited information, is this 1875 dime a counterfeit?

RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

These are the only two photos available. Based on them, is this more or less likely a genuine Seated dime?


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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not Genuine.

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Batman23 said:
    Not Genuine.

    I want to agree. Especially when comparing it to genuine coins of the same date. The numbers on the above dime look off.

    Here is a bit more photographic 'evidence':


    I don't know if this helps to confirm suspicions or not.

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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks genuine, but the images have too much processing, and/or they were "AI" generated.
    So there is no way to tell for sure from those pictures.

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting. If genuine, the date and letters have been flattened out. The 7 in the date doesn't even look close to me. Or as dcarr says, something wonky going on with the image.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    It looks genuine, but the images have too much processing, and/or they were "AI" generated.
    So there is no way to tell for sure from those pictures.

    While I can't say for certain, I believe Daniel is correct. Probably authentic, but the amount of photo processing/enhancing/adjusting, especially with the DATE and ONE DIME makes any determination from those images impossible.


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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sanddollar said:

    counterfeit

    counterfeit

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sanddollar said:

    photoshopped

    photoshopped

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My opinion is no way the 7 or the 5 are correct. The 8 certainly looks "wonky" a term not of my making, but sufficient to get the idea across. I would definitely pass. Below is an actual date. JMO
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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2025 10:06PM

    @dcarr said:
    It looks genuine, but the images have too much processing, and/or they were "AI" generated.
    So there is no way to tell for sure from those pictures.

    Somebody used the "Sharpen" filter on those photos, which increased the contrast at the apparent edges between dark and light, so the shapes look strange. Actual coin will look different.

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Here is the pic from NGC cert verification page
    Clearly the photos have been messed with

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What led me down the path of contemporary counterfeit possibility was simply looking strictly at the letter, "N" in ONE.
    There are other tells, yet this one is the most convincing for me.

    There is so much wrong with the above example compared to an authentic coin:

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @2windy2fish said:

    Here is the pic from NGC cert verification page
    Clearly the photos have been messed with

    That is interesting!

    Here is the listing:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/157527398450

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2025 11:11PM

    With the NGC photo, I now vote genuine.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    why mess with an item where the photos have been photoshopped?

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still focus on the word, "ONE" and find the difference between the coin in question and a photo of a genuine 1875-S to be wildly different.

    NGC's photo (not the seller's picture) of the reverse:

    Genuine coin:

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    why are we going through with this exercise?

    you buy it?

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    why are we going through with this exercise?

    you buy it?

    I find many aspects of coin collecting interesting.
    Don't you?
    (No, it isn't mine.)

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 5,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 7, 2025 11:37PM

    @sanddollar said:
    What led me down the path of contemporary counterfeit possibility was simply looking strictly at the letter, "N" in ONE.
    There are other tells, yet this one is the most convincing for me.

    There is so much wrong with the above example compared to an authentic coin:

    Your comparison assumes N has the same shape on every reverse die for 1875-s, small s, below wreath.
    There are 22 known reverse dies.


    1875-S F-111 (Reverse K) has a similar slope for the right upright on N.
    And a wider left upright that will appear even wider when worn.


    The die crack pattern also looks like a potential match to F-111.
    https://www.seateddimevarieties.com/date_mintmark/1875sbw_varpage.htm

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if you didn't buy it, the interesting part is where did the photoshopped images come from?

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    RedRocketRedRocket Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    @sanddollar said:

    Your comparison assumes N has the same shape on every reverse die for 1875-s, small s, below wreath.
    There are 22 known reverse dies.

    Excellent point. I did make that assumption and didn't factor in the various dies used to mint the coin that year.

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