1795 50C Obv Graffitti?
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Hi All,
I picked this up in Baltimore.
I'm sure that I must be missing something obvious, but where is the graffiti?
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If I had to guess, it looks like there's something going on near the rim at 2:00.
I don’t see anything
I'm not seeing anything that resembles graffiti.
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I'm not sure that warrants that graffiti designation?
It could be that you can’t hate only see it at an angle. I recently saw a piece at a show which had “graffiti” marked on the holder. It was fairly well hidden in the design on the reverse and was fairly light. Since this coin is well worn, it may have been done long ago, and is very light.
The only thing I can think is that there was once something on the face of Liberty. I can see slight differences in light and dark. Perhaps under bright light and with magnification there is some sort of disturbance that is thought to have a pattern. I wonder if the grader is this picky with everything else in his life. james
Below Liberty's eye. Whatever was there has mostly worn off but is still visible if you look very closely.
The graffiti may have been scratched onto the coin with a needle or pin and is only visible while being examined in hand under a bright light while tilted at a certain angle. If you can't find the graffiti after careful examination, you may consider cracking it out and sending it to PCGS for a second opinion. Very nice coin.
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With ‘graffiti’ that hard to find, that’s a great coin to pick up at a discount to straight-graded.
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If you blow up the image, there is a triangular shaped horn coming out from Liberty's forehead. It is light but may be more obvious if you switch the lighting source.
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That "horn" looks like a couple of random scratches from normal circulation.
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Or it is intentionally scratched with a pin. That is the only distinction with graffiti. The lines are fairly straight and meeting in a perfect triangle. If you don't think that's it, then what is?
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A couple of random scratches from normal circulation.
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Thanks so much, guys.
I just don't see it.
I thought the "horn" looked like normal circulation mark.
I'll take a closer look when I get home next week in different light.
I looked very carefully prior to buying & grading & didn't see anything.
I wonder if I should re-submit for re-examination? I'm assuming thst in quality control & finalizing a second person agreed? I was definitely surprised by this.
As noted by @291fifth, appears some circle under Liberty's eye that probably wasn't circulation marks.
I think that you have a very nice coin for the grade. I don’t see any annoying marks that warrants the “details” label. As an aside, there was a recent auction in which a coin had “1786” very clearly pin scratched on the obverse yet it straight graded(!!!). I will never understand what goes through the minds of TPG’s.
This is another reason why price guides can be very misleading, especially with scarcer items.
Or not. That really isn't the question that was asked. The question is what is NGC calling graffiti. And I ask you again, if it's not the triangle then what?
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Maybe a heart......or worse 😂
I'm not a mind reader. You'll have to ask the grader at NGC who made this determination.
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It is kinda sorta good to know and keep everyone honest, jmo
Nice coin imo. Would that be a worn die crack between the eagles left wing and "E" in America? Is this an O-119?
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I see a “C” under the eye of Ms Liberty. In this grade if that is the reason for the “details” grade on a coin this worn is knit picking. I once had a major grader certified Bust Dollar on consignment in straight grade EF which had fairly obvious graffiti on the obverse.
If I keep staring at it, pareidolia makes me see something resembling an M with a cross on one of the peaks in the worn out area in front of Liberty. Sorta resembling something like one of these:
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I agree with 291fifth. It looks like a backwards "C" just below the eye. Then if you look at the right temple with the coin upside down, it looks like a capital "A", then moving to the right it looks like a capital "E". Then you turn the coin right side up, it looks like 2 dots for eyes, and the capital "E" looks like an open mouth. But it's very light and probably old and better seen under differently light, maybe even black light. Good luck and I like your coin. I sold mine about 40 years ago and have regretted it since. .Ray
PS: If you do find out what it is, please let us all know. One for curiosity and two for so we can look to see what NGC calls graffiti.
I see an S shape under Miss liberty’s eye. It’s faint, but it’s there. Not sure if it was intentional or random. I personally don’t believe it deserves the graffiti designation.
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Thank very much for all of the comments & insight.
Given what some of you have said graded w o issue it seems that I was unlucky w the grader here.
That said, when I'm back next week I will carefully examine the coin in the manner suggested by some of your posts.
I'll let you know what, if anything, I see.
If I can find anything I'll likely re-grade.
Thanks all!
Just circulation wear