Struck-through grease? That’s what I assumed. I fought w/ myself, many times, on whether I should cut it free for a better examination and ultimately decided to just leave it be.
@Eighteen63 said:
Struck-through grease? That’s what I assumed. I fought w/ myself, many times, on whether I should cut it free for a better examination and ultimately decided to just leave it be.
If grease (which it presumably was) it must have been loaded with something like sand or metal filings or grit of some kind.
You can only cut it out of the packaging once - you can't put it back in. I'd leave it as is.
@Eighteen63 said:
Struck-through grease? That’s what I assumed. I fought w/ myself, many times, on whether I should cut it free for a better examination and ultimately decided to just leave it be.
If grease (which it presumably was) it must have been loaded with something like sand or metal filings or grit of some kind.
You can only cut it out of the packaging once - you can't put it back in. I'd leave it as is.
I absolutely agree, I’ve had it for three years and it’ll remain intact - probably ‘till I’m teats-up.
I know this is an old thread, but here goes... I just went through some mint/proof sets that I've been buying from the US Mint, and frankly hadn't really examined. And then I found this really weird silver proof set error (packaging error, I guess?). I've been poking around on search engines since I discovered I had this, but I have no idea if this is common, unusual, or somewhere in between.
@USSID17 - While out of town on business a few months ago, I cherrypicked this one from a pawn shop display case for $16. Always looking for places to find coins during my travels. Sometimes I get lucky.
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I've run into a few people who say these are common but it's not my experience. I never had a good sample size since learning of their existence but it looks like it's can't be much more than 1: 20. That's much scarcer than the '70-S sm dt cent.
You can sell them for a pretty good price but I hang onto the Gems.
Some of these dates were packaged differently as well. Some of the '68 mint sets were packaged in mirror image. A lot of '75 sets have crimping damage. A lot of 1980 sets have an extra Denver quarter instead of a Denver SBA.
Most errors I've seen are small clips but there's interesting stuff in these other than "just" Gems and varieties.
Most errors I've seen are small clips but there's interesting stuff in these other than "just" Gems and varieties.
Two sets out of three have at least one keeper in it. But there's lots of variation because of changes made during production, errors, and horseplay at the mint. There are sets out there that are all roadkill and even more that are all Gem. These sets required intent because the odds against them occurring naturally are astronomical. I used to have a 1968 set that was all Gem and some PL, even in the Philly packet! Someone saved those back for hours before dumping them all in the same set.
Even normal range in quality is quite wide because of pure chance since typically about 20% of mintage is highly inferior, 75% is mediocre, and 5% is clearly superior. I call the better half of the clearly superior coins "Gems".
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edited to add; I should make it clear that the Gem sets have always come one packet at a time. To get the virtually perfect '68 mint set I mixed and matched a blue and red packet.
I've run into a few people who say these are common but it's not my experience.
I would say the 74-D DDO (Standalone) is common. I have quite a few of them from searching boxes. No idea how many of these are out there in mint sets.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
There could be as few as 400,000 surviving sets. Probably a little more than about half the mintage survive because half dollars from sets were often spent rather than saved up until fairly recent times. I'd guess we have about however many would have been in about 800,000 sets. Leaving about 40,000 if my estimates mean anything. I'd be very surprised if there are more than 60,000.
These turn up in circ rolls but apparently were only made for mint sets.
It's an interesting coin for many reasons and exists mostly between nice XF to a weak Gem. There are a lot of abused specimens and they tend strongly to MS-63 still in the sets. This date often comes pristine in the mint sets as the plastic is different and it often doesn't tarnish. Those that do tarnish are almost always restored by an alcohol bath.
I always figured that demand would be limited to only several thousand specimens because it is "considered" an oddity moreso than a variety. A lot of people don't collect things that they consider "mistakes" but the artist's intend expressed differently as varieties are highly desirable. So the '70-S sm dt has far more demand than the much scarcer '74 DDO, though this gap has been closing the last several years. This could suggest some major rarities in the future of oddities of mint sets like RPM's, rotated dies, and the like.
The '74-DDO has always been interesting and I actually have a few very low grade ones. If you can find nicely made ones with minimal marking I'd snap it up even at a stiff premium. Very few were well made. A few thousand survive.
@seanq said:
So this thread motivated me to take out the box with all of my Mint and Proof set clips, here is what I found (and what I know I have, though it isn't in the box)
Clipped Cents in Mint Sets:
1968-S (double)
1970-S LG
1978-D
Clipped Nickels in Mint Sets:
1975
1979-D (individual coin was cut from the set but still sealed)
1991-P
Clipped Dimes in Mint Sets:
1960 (double)
1965 SMS
1977
1986-P (cut from set but still sealed)
Clipped Quarters in Mint Sets:
1963 (cut from set but still sealed)
1971 (double, cut from set but still sealed)
1968-D
1979-D
1988-D (double)
1991-D
Clipped Half Dollars in Mint Sets
1996-P and this one gets a picture:
Clipped Dollars in Mint packaging
1971-S Silver (Blue pack)
1971-S Silver (no longer in Mint packaging)
1776-1976-D
1978
Clipped proof coins (none in Mint packaging unless noted):
1970-S cent (sealed in proof set)
1957 nickel
1970-S dime (raw)
1970-S dime NGC PF67
1970-S quarter
1963 half
...and for good measure, I have the following Canadian clips:
1965 dollar (sealed in Mint issued UNC set)
1970 quarter (sealed in Mint issued UNC set)
1977 quarter (specimen strike, raw)
1982 nickel (specimen strike, raw)
2001 quarter (sealed in Tiny Treasures UNC set from Mint)
The one that I kinda still wish I had is a double clipped proof 2002-S Sacagawea Dollar, still in the government issued proof set. I sold it immediately after finding it on eBay to another board member, who himself has a spectacular collection of modern proof errors, maybe he will be kind enough to share pics here.
Sean Reynolds
Sean- Missing from your list. Not sure if you are aware they exist. Although, you may not have them, they do exist.
1968-D clipped nickel and 1980-D clipped quarter.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@OAKSTAR said:
If what you're saying is true, there are many 74 mint sets out there that people don't even know they're DDO's.
If you have some of these sets, let's see them here.
A lot of modern mint sets still flow into coin shops with Gems and varieties in nearly the same proportions as they always have. Wholesale buyers tend to get a lot more sets that are picked over because sop many come from coin shops and between the time they are purchased and the time they are shipped off they will be picked over for some coins. Every dealer knows a nice sm dt '70 cent is worth $50. He'll mark it right on the package every time. But most dealers are not consistent and neither are the few who search these sets. It only seems they're all picked over but they were mediocre all along and many of the varieties slip through the cracks. the '74 DDO is listed in Redbook but the ;69-D/D dime is not and the same applies to other varieties.
You can still find unopened 5 packs of '74 mint sets. About every fifth one will contain as many as "3" DDO's. A lot of DDO sets end up back on the market because they easily get mixed in with other sets when ownership changes.
There are very few original purchasers of '74 mint sets left and the lion's share of the surviving original sets are in their hands. The collections of most of the purchasers have been dispersed. 50 years has that effect on a lot of things.
I just picked this set up on eBay, it has an extra nickel in the package in the same spot as a double clipped quarter. It came with the purchase receipt from 1981 and I cannot find any signs of tampering.
Sean Reynolds
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Struck-through grease? That’s what I assumed. I fought w/ myself, many times, on whether I should cut it free for a better examination and ultimately decided to just leave it be.
On the contrary, Google is not your friend.
Nice errors everyone!
Here's an Eisenhower Soft Pack error of mine!
If grease (which it presumably was) it must have been loaded with something like sand or metal filings or grit of some kind.
You can only cut it out of the packaging once - you can't put it back in. I'd leave it as is.
Plan to keep it in the original packaging for the foreseeable future.
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
I absolutely agree, I’ve had it for three years and it’ll remain intact - probably ‘till I’m teats-up.
On the contrary, Google is not your friend.
I know this is an old thread, but here goes... I just went through some mint/proof sets that I've been buying from the US Mint, and frankly hadn't really examined. And then I found this really weird silver proof set error (packaging error, I guess?). I've been poking around on search engines since I discovered I had this, but I have no idea if this is common, unusual, or somewhere in between.
Thanks for mulling this one over!
Colin
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Man, I really like this struck thru!! Is it still in the original packaging?
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Yes, it is.
If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.
Tommy
Mint error and packaging error in one.
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Here is a 2023 US Silver Proof Set packaging error
bonus silver! can't beat that
I once had one with a blank planchet. I have no idea where it is now.
Not a mint set but proof set. A nice die clash on both sides.
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@USSID17 - While out of town on business a few months ago, I cherrypicked this one from a pawn shop display case for $16. Always looking for places to find coins during my travels. Sometimes I get lucky.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
@USSID17 - Actually, not sure if it was a thrift shop or some kind of consignment shop.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
I've run into a few people who say these are common but it's not my experience. I never had a good sample size since learning of their existence but it looks like it's can't be much more than 1: 20. That's much scarcer than the '70-S sm dt cent.
You can sell them for a pretty good price but I hang onto the Gems.
Some of these dates were packaged differently as well. Some of the '68 mint sets were packaged in mirror image. A lot of '75 sets have crimping damage. A lot of 1980 sets have an extra Denver quarter instead of a Denver SBA.
Most errors I've seen are small clips but there's interesting stuff in these other than "just" Gems and varieties.
Two sets out of three have at least one keeper in it. But there's lots of variation because of changes made during production, errors, and horseplay at the mint. There are sets out there that are all roadkill and even more that are all Gem. These sets required intent because the odds against them occurring naturally are astronomical. I used to have a 1968 set that was all Gem and some PL, even in the Philly packet! Someone saved those back for hours before dumping them all in the same set.
Even normal range in quality is quite wide because of pure chance since typically about 20% of mintage is highly inferior, 75% is mediocre, and 5% is clearly superior. I call the better half of the clearly superior coins "Gems".
.
edited to add; I should make it clear that the Gem sets have always come one packet at a time. To get the virtually perfect '68 mint set I mixed and matched a blue and red packet.
I would say the 74-D DDO (Standalone) is common. I have quite a few of them from searching boxes. No idea how many of these are out there in mint sets.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
There could be as few as 400,000 surviving sets. Probably a little more than about half the mintage survive because half dollars from sets were often spent rather than saved up until fairly recent times. I'd guess we have about however many would have been in about 800,000 sets. Leaving about 40,000 if my estimates mean anything. I'd be very surprised if there are more than 60,000.
These turn up in circ rolls but apparently were only made for mint sets.
It's an interesting coin for many reasons and exists mostly between nice XF to a weak Gem. There are a lot of abused specimens and they tend strongly to MS-63 still in the sets. This date often comes pristine in the mint sets as the plastic is different and it often doesn't tarnish. Those that do tarnish are almost always restored by an alcohol bath.
I always figured that demand would be limited to only several thousand specimens because it is "considered" an oddity moreso than a variety. A lot of people don't collect things that they consider "mistakes" but the artist's intend expressed differently as varieties are highly desirable. So the '70-S sm dt has far more demand than the much scarcer '74 DDO, though this gap has been closing the last several years. This could suggest some major rarities in the future of oddities of mint sets like RPM's, rotated dies, and the like.
The '74-DDO has always been interesting and I actually have a few very low grade ones. If you can find nicely made ones with minimal marking I'd snap it up even at a stiff premium. Very few were well made. A few thousand survive.
If what you're saying is true, there are many 74 mint sets out there that people don't even know they're DDO's.
If you have some of these sets, let's see them here.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
Sean- Missing from your list. Not sure if you are aware they exist. Although, you may not have them, they do exist.
1968-D clipped nickel and 1980-D clipped quarter.
Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )
A lot of modern mint sets still flow into coin shops with Gems and varieties in nearly the same proportions as they always have. Wholesale buyers tend to get a lot more sets that are picked over because sop many come from coin shops and between the time they are purchased and the time they are shipped off they will be picked over for some coins. Every dealer knows a nice sm dt '70 cent is worth $50. He'll mark it right on the package every time. But most dealers are not consistent and neither are the few who search these sets. It only seems they're all picked over but they were mediocre all along and many of the varieties slip through the cracks. the '74 DDO is listed in Redbook but the ;69-D/D dime is not and the same applies to other varieties.
You can still find unopened 5 packs of '74 mint sets. About every fifth one will contain as many as "3" DDO's. A lot of DDO sets end up back on the market because they easily get mixed in with other sets when ownership changes.
There are very few original purchasers of '74 mint sets left and the lion's share of the surviving original sets are in their hands. The collections of most of the purchasers have been dispersed. 50 years has that effect on a lot of things.
I just picked this set up on eBay, it has an extra nickel in the package in the same spot as a double clipped quarter. It came with the purchase receipt from 1981 and I cannot find any signs of tampering.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@seanq - Mint error and packaging error in one! Very nice!! 👍
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@seanq - Not quite the same as yours but in the same set.
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