OK....Im done for now with this trio.
1863 w/L Indian Head Cents in Bronze, Copper-Nickel and Aluminum. All are very scarce, I think a total of 17 are known across all three metal types, with multiple locked off the market in museums.
As stated earlier, " I want to be you when I grow up". The "School Girl" design
would have been a much better choice than Morgan's frumpy janitorial
woman. Just outstanding!!
I wish I could match that sharp Helmeted Liberty Head of Barber ... I can only show off a similar Small Heraldic Eagle. Your high quality 1877's 50 cent patterns are a dream to me
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
This is the very rare J-211b. It’s tied for the finest known. I’m not inclined to try & cross it yet due to current “conditions”, even though I need this variety for my 12 piece 1858 short set. In the meantime, it’s a wholly original beauty I enjoy owning!
Ah yes - the "coins I shouldn't have sold" thread ....... there are many others!
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
A different spin from previous posts above ... I would not mind collecting a few other samples in alternate metals of these motifs, however I am please with this selection.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
I previously posted this piece in an older post back in 2023 by @Zoins on the subject of Virgil Brand ... I like to re-post again here,
Judd-244 (Pollock-300) 1859 50c (Half Dollar) Longacre’s “French Head” obverse with a regular reverse of a Half Dollar of 1859. Struck in copper with Reeded Edge
This is a curious mulling of the Longacre’s Liberty Head Obverse (French Head) with the Paquet wide wing Eagle reverse as used in the regular 1859 Half Dollar (both obverse and reverse display “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”), however, most interesting is the reverse was punch on a planchet with an incuse profile of George Washington. The profile is the match to the profile used in the 1866 version of the various George Washington’s 5 Cent pattern pieces dated 1866.
I guess on could say 2 patterns for the price of one:)
The Pedigree includes Brand:
Ex: S.K. Nagy (10/1907), Virgil Brand; Anderson-Dupont Collection, Part II (Stack's, 11/1954), lot 2419; S.E. Goldsmith Collection (Stack's, 10/1958), lot 1450; Morris Evans Collection (Bowers and Merena 8/1998), lot 2047; Orlando Sale (Stack's, 1/2007), lot 1019; Los Angeles ANA (Bowers and Merena, 8/2009), lot 4152, Simpson Part III, (Heritage 1/2021), Lot# 3082
Also Plate coin for type (J243/J244) in Judd’s United States Patterns and Trial Pieces - 10th Edition
This is the extract from Brand's Ledger
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
I may also place this one in my “Post your Pedigrees” thread. This is the finest known example of only 5 traced. Provenance dates back to 1909 (David Proskey). The label indicates it paused in the Harry Bass collection & subsequent Foundation. Last owner was Don Kelley as part of his Transit set.
EEPS approved & identified as a small Coronet head with Agricultural wreath. J-606. S-PT2b copper composition. Note the obv design is similar to that adapted to Longacre’s 3 cent nickel.
I may also place this one in my “Post your Pedigrees” thread. This is the finest known example of only 5 traced. Provenance dates back to 1909 (David Proskey). The label indicates it paused in the Harry Bass collection & subsequent Foundation. Last owner was Don Kelley as part of his Transit set.
EEPS approved & identified as a small Coronet head with Agricultural wreath. J-606. S-PT2b copper composition. Note the obv design is similar to that adapted to Longacre’s 3 cent nickel.
Very nice looking coin and a solid pedigree. Nice to be part of the ownership chain. However, I am not sure want you meant by "unchartered territory"?
I like these motifs as they were used to assembled small denomination trial sets (1C, 3C, 5C.) and ~ 100 of these sets struck in nickel were reported to have been delivered to congress. Copper versions of the 1C designs are indeed very scare. Saul Teichman of USPatterns.com fame may have traced 8 or 9 specimens of the J606. My J606 is a lonely PR62BN and I had jump at the chance to pick it up at the time. While all sets were evenuly sold to collectors for 9$ - the Copper sets were most likely assembled only for sale to select collectors.
Roger W. Burdette's "Fads, Fakes & Foibles" had developed a chapter that encompasses the striking of these small denomination pieces.
I find it of interest that same 3CN motif was very popular and used on a variety of other patterns. Others struck in the same year (1868) was a 10$ (Eagle). The King was struck in Gold (J661) while other siblings were struck in Copper (J662) and Aluminum (J663)
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
@Copperindian said: @retirednow: all I meant was the coin (& others like it) was unchartered territory for me. I mostly collect FE’s & IHC’s, including patterns.
In that case here is another sample - J170a ex/ Bob Simpson
1855 FE patterns appeared to have been focused on experiments in various metallurgical compositions. The J170a is reported to be 75% CU , 12% Ni and 13% Zinc but without a metallurgical test a collector should be reluctant to bet much money on just the TPG Judd designation on the label – LOL, I guess I did make a bet as I won this in an auction!
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Unlike the J170a FE posted above, this piece has the metallurgy results displayed on the label. The 75% copper and 25% nickel is identical to the nickel alloy introduced in 1865 for the Three Cent nickel and Shield nickel.
The Obverse is from the same die used to strike the circulating bronze issues designated as Snow-1; showing the repunching at upper serif of 1 and within loops of 8, also at the top of the 5 in date. The Reverse appears to be the reverse die used to strike circulating bronze cents of the date, specifically Snow-l; a raised die lump is seen on the N in ONE.
This piece also was traced back to the Bowers & Merena June 1991 (George N. Polis sale) as Lot #1092 where the catalog attribute to being Ex Major Lenox R. Lohr Collection, Empire Coin Co., 1961
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Patterns can be a little funky ( one reason why I collect them) … here is a double dated piece: Judd-270 PCGS PR64BN.
The rationale behind the mint's production of this piece remains unclear; however, its creation is appreciated. Featuring two distinct dates—1857 on the obverse and 1860 on the reverse—the pattern also incorporates the coronet bust design found on the Three-Cent Nickel of 1865–1889. The same coronet bust was also used on two other patterns dedicated in 1857: a "One Cent" piece and another quarter eagle pattern.
My specific piece is traced the Elisaberg collection (Bowers and Merena, 5/1996), Lot #309 with priors to the Clapp Estate and the J.F. McCabe Auction (S.H. and H. Chapman, 6/1905), Lot #96
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
@boiler78 said:
This J-1565 ex. Judd/Bass is a curious "mule" with Morgan's obverse and reverse of William Barber's proposed design for the new dollar .......
@boiler78 said:
This J-1565 ex. Judd/Bass is a curious "mule" with Morgan's obverse and reverse of William Barber's proposed design for the new dollar .......
I would love to spend an afternoon at your bank admiring your
collection. Truly stunning!!
Speaking of Curious Mules – this J253 pattern is an unusual fantasy piece.
This coin features Paquet’s Liberty Seated with fasces used on 1859 his half dollar patterns, paired a French Liberty Head design (50c patterns of the same year) accredited to James B. Longacre. Saul Teichman questions whether the French Head was really designed by Anthony C. Paquet, as the design uses the characteristic Paquet letter punches. In any case, I like to think it combined the 2 titans of the mint (Paquet & Longacre) on one piece.
This piece is graded by PCGS as PR64 but at one time was housed in NGC holder. Saul Teichman photo library shows this piece as #6 – the Kentucky collection, J Garrett as NGC64 - PGSC64. Of the 7 pieces 2 are houses in Museum collections
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
I previously posted this piece in an older post back in 2023 by @Zoins on the subject of Virgil Brand ... I like to re-post again here,
Judd-244 (Pollock-300) 1859 50c (Half Dollar) Longacre’s “French Head” obverse with a regular reverse of a Half Dollar of 1859. Struck in copper with Reeded Edge
This is a curious mulling of the Longacre’s Liberty Head Obverse (French Head) with the Paquet wide wing Eagle reverse as used in the regular 1859 Half Dollar (both obverse and reverse display “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”), however, most interesting is the reverse was punch on a planchet with an incuse profile of George Washington. The profile is the match to the profile used in the 1866 version of the various George Washington’s 5 Cent pattern pieces dated 1866.
I guess on could say 2 patterns for the price of one:)
The Pedigree includes Brand:
Ex: S.K. Nagy (10/1907), Virgil Brand; Anderson-Dupont Collection, Part II (Stack's, 11/1954), lot 2419; S.E. Goldsmith Collection (Stack's, 10/1958), lot 1450; Morris Evans Collection (Bowers and Merena 8/1998), lot 2047; Orlando Sale (Stack's, 1/2007), lot 1019; Los Angeles ANA (Bowers and Merena, 8/2009), lot 4152, Simpson Part III, (Heritage 1/2021), Lot# 3082
Also Plate coin for type (J243/J244) in Judd’s United States Patterns and Trial Pieces - 10th Edition
This is the extract from Brand's Ledger
Catching up on the thread and stumbled across this one.
I am confuzzled!
Looks like the Washington head (Punch? Hub?) was pressed into the half dollar die after it was hubbed.
Why?
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," due out late 2025.
I previously posted this piece in an older post back in 2023 by @Zoins on the subject of Virgil Brand ... I like to re-post again here,
Judd-244 (Pollock-300) 1859 50c (Half Dollar) Longacre’s “French Head” obverse with a regular reverse of a Half Dollar of 1859. Struck in copper with Reeded Edge
Catching up on the thread and stumbled across this one.
I am confuzzled!
Looks like the Washington head (Punch? Hub?) was pressed into the half dollar die after it was hubbed.
Why?
I think that is what add mystery to this pattern piece.
Let me just offer David Bowers observations from the Stacks ‘98 Catalog. “ … While the circumstances of production may never be known, it seems to have been struck on a hub trial for the portrait of Washington used on patterns of the 1860s, ….
…. An examination of this piece under high magnification reveals two incised circles, intended for an inscription to be added, at the center of which a deep impression was punched of the portrait of Washington. The diameter of the circles indicates that the impression was, indeed, intended for a five-cent piece (being too small for a two-cent piece). Most probably, had this trial been carried to completion, letters would have been added and an impression taken in wax to see what the finished result would be. As it turned out, all that was done was to scribe two lines and to affix the punch. The disc was then kept on hand, and probably inadvertently used to produce the present coin, circa 1865- 1866. The obverse of the present coin, when examined under reflect the light, shows a somewhat irregular outline in the right field and may indicate an additional use of the other side of the planchet for some pattern or experimental purpose, which cannot be determined today. …”
As it appears that the piece was overstruck on a hub trial for a Washington portrait… the incuse Washington's face is very clearly seen and sharp, however the back of Washington's head, bust truncation, and trailing curls below the truncation are hard to visualize as they were weaker impressions, but they can be made out.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
@seatedlib3991 said: @boiler78 . I can't even find those in Breen. They look more like fantasy pieces then actual coin designs. Amazing. james
I think you need to look at Judd or Pollock US Patterns reference books or easier yet ... go to Uspatterns.com https://www.uspatterns.com/
I do not recall reading any attempt by the mint to deploy a standard design across the denominations as had been the practice with the Seated Liberty Coinage (10HC through Dollar). With the Morgan dollar going into production the Morgan “Dime” along with the replicated Morgan quarter (J1593) and Morgan Half Dollar (J1599) would seem to fit that philosophy, however, most likely the mint just enjoy making these patterns for collectors. The competitive designs for the Dollar developed by Charles Barber were also deployed in 1878 & most likely for the same motive.
**
Charles Barber Dime J1585 PCGS PR64BN – Society Lady (Washlady) Bust **
**Charles Barber Quarter Dollar NGC J1581 PR65+BN – Society Lady (Washlady) Bust **
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Comments
Nice six leaf J-208!
Tough coin.....only cameo graded one known to exist. PF64CAM with CAC and PS.
Posted before....one of my favs as well as it was cherrypicked raw at a shop in FL. J-300 PF65. Paid $700 for this one!
OK....Im done for now with this trio.
1863 w/L Indian Head Cents in Bronze, Copper-Nickel and Aluminum. All are very scarce, I think a total of 17 are known across all three metal types, with multiple locked off the market in museums.
As stated earlier, " I want to be you when I grow up". The "School Girl" design
would have been a much better choice than Morgan's frumpy janitorial
woman. Just outstanding!!
Might be a salesman sample
Here is a similar design pattern to yours ... J1509 (Struck in Copper), however this was Silvered plated.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
@redraider is the bottom one have a Flying Eagle cent reverse?
Proud follower of Christ!
Yep
Barbers design proposal for the new silver dollar coin in 1878
I wish I could match that sharp Helmeted Liberty Head of Barber ... I can only show off a similar Small Heraldic Eagle. Your high quality 1877's 50 cent patterns are a dream to me
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Latest pickup:
This is the very rare J-211b. It’s tied for the finest known. I’m not inclined to try & cross it yet due to current “conditions”, even though I need this variety for my 12 piece 1858 short set. In the meantime, it’s a wholly original beauty I enjoy owning!
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Simply stunning.Thanks for sharing.
Ah yes - the "coins I shouldn't have sold" thread ....... there are many others!
I so wish I had those, they are so cool!!!
A different spin from previous posts above ... I would not mind collecting a few other samples in alternate metals of these motifs, however I am please with this selection.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
This will probably be the closest to an actual pattern that I can obtain.
"1887-CC" Morgan Pattern Dollar
@dcarr piece
(Images by @robec )
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I just wish Dan would have used 1877 for the date
I previously posted this piece in an older post back in 2023 by @Zoins on the subject of Virgil Brand ... I like to re-post again here,
Judd-244 (Pollock-300) 1859 50c (Half Dollar) Longacre’s “French Head” obverse with a regular reverse of a Half Dollar of 1859. Struck in copper with Reeded Edge
This is a curious mulling of the Longacre’s Liberty Head Obverse (French Head) with the Paquet wide wing Eagle reverse as used in the regular 1859 Half Dollar (both obverse and reverse display “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”), however, most interesting is the reverse was punch on a planchet with an incuse profile of George Washington. The profile is the match to the profile used in the 1866 version of the various George Washington’s 5 Cent pattern pieces dated 1866.
I guess on could say 2 patterns for the price of one:)
The Pedigree includes Brand:
Ex: S.K. Nagy (10/1907), Virgil Brand; Anderson-Dupont Collection, Part II (Stack's, 11/1954), lot 2419; S.E. Goldsmith Collection (Stack's, 10/1958), lot 1450; Morris Evans Collection (Bowers and Merena 8/1998), lot 2047; Orlando Sale (Stack's, 1/2007), lot 1019; Los Angeles ANA (Bowers and Merena, 8/2009), lot 4152, Simpson Part III, (Heritage 1/2021), Lot# 3082
Also Plate coin for type (J243/J244) in Judd’s United States Patterns and Trial Pieces - 10th Edition
This is the extract from Brand's Ledger
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Spectacular coins in this thread!
K
Unchartered territory:
I may also place this one in my “Post your Pedigrees” thread. This is the finest known example of only 5 traced. Provenance dates back to 1909 (David Proskey). The label indicates it paused in the Harry Bass collection & subsequent Foundation. Last owner was Don Kelley as part of his Transit set.
EEPS approved & identified as a small Coronet head with Agricultural wreath. J-606. S-PT2b copper composition. Note the obv design is similar to that adapted to Longacre’s 3 cent nickel.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
Very nice looking coin and a solid pedigree. Nice to be part of the ownership chain. However, I am not sure want you meant by "unchartered territory"?
I like these motifs as they were used to assembled small denomination trial sets (1C, 3C, 5C.) and ~ 100 of these sets struck in nickel were reported to have been delivered to congress. Copper versions of the 1C designs are indeed very scare. Saul Teichman of USPatterns.com fame may have traced 8 or 9 specimens of the J606. My J606 is a lonely PR62BN and I had jump at the chance to pick it up at the time. While all sets were evenuly sold to collectors for 9$ - the Copper sets were most likely assembled only for sale to select collectors.
Roger W. Burdette's "Fads, Fakes & Foibles" had developed a chapter that encompasses the striking of these small denomination pieces.
I find it of interest that same 3CN motif was very popular and used on a variety of other patterns. Others struck in the same year (1868) was a 10$ (Eagle). The King was struck in Gold (J661) while other siblings were struck in Copper (J662) and Aluminum (J663)
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
@retirednow: all I meant was the coin (& others like it) was unchartered territory for me. I mostly collect FE’s & IHC’s, including patterns.
“The thrill of the hunt never gets old”
PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
Copperindian
Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
Copperindian
Nickelodeon
One more @dcarr concept pattern
@robec images
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In that case here is another sample - J170a ex/ Bob Simpson
1855 FE patterns appeared to have been focused on experiments in various metallurgical compositions. The J170a is reported to be 75% CU , 12% Ni and 13% Zinc but without a metallurgical test a collector should be reluctant to bet much money on just the TPG Judd designation on the label – LOL, I guess I did make a bet as I won this in an auction!
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Another spin on IHC with this J406 Pattern
Unlike the J170a FE posted above, this piece has the metallurgy results displayed on the label. The 75% copper and 25% nickel is identical to the nickel alloy introduced in 1865 for the Three Cent nickel and Shield nickel.
The Obverse is from the same die used to strike the circulating bronze issues designated as Snow-1; showing the repunching at upper serif of 1 and within loops of 8, also at the top of the 5 in date. The Reverse appears to be the reverse die used to strike circulating bronze cents of the date, specifically Snow-l; a raised die lump is seen on the N in ONE.
This piece also was traced back to the Bowers & Merena June 1991 (George N. Polis sale) as Lot #1092 where the catalog attribute to being Ex Major Lenox R. Lohr Collection, Empire Coin Co., 1961
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
A couple nicely toned Trade dollar patterns....
Finest of three known J-263 with one in a museum. PCGS Proof 62+ CAC
Patterns can be a little funky ( one reason why I collect them) … here is a double dated piece: Judd-270 PCGS PR64BN.
The rationale behind the mint's production of this piece remains unclear; however, its creation is appreciated. Featuring two distinct dates—1857 on the obverse and 1860 on the reverse—the pattern also incorporates the coronet bust design found on the Three-Cent Nickel of 1865–1889. The same coronet bust was also used on two other patterns dedicated in 1857: a "One Cent" piece and another quarter eagle pattern.
My specific piece is traced the Elisaberg collection (Bowers and Merena, 5/1996), Lot #309 with priors to the Clapp Estate and the J.F. McCabe Auction (S.H. and H. Chapman, 6/1905), Lot #96
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
This J-1565 ex. Judd/Bass is a curious "mule" with Morgan's obverse and reverse of William Barber's proposed design for the new dollar .......
You're killing me man! Those are awesome!!!!!
I would love to spend an afternoon at your bank admiring your
collection. Truly stunning!!
Speaking of Curious Mules – this J253 pattern is an unusual fantasy piece.
This coin features Paquet’s Liberty Seated with fasces used on 1859 his half dollar patterns, paired a French Liberty Head design (50c patterns of the same year) accredited to James B. Longacre. Saul Teichman questions whether the French Head was really designed by Anthony C. Paquet, as the design uses the characteristic Paquet letter punches. In any case, I like to think it combined the 2 titans of the mint (Paquet & Longacre) on one piece.
This piece is graded by PCGS as PR64 but at one time was housed in NGC holder. Saul Teichman photo library shows this piece as #6 – the Kentucky collection, J Garrett as NGC64 - PGSC64. Of the 7 pieces 2 are houses in Museum collections
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Other pattern samples I enjoy collecting are Goloid dollars. These pieces represent four different bust designs of 1880.
Liberty Head with Coil Hair by G.T. Morgan J1654 PCGS PR66
Liberty Head w/ Hair in Bun By Morgan J1649 PCGS PR65RB
Liberty Head by William Barber J1651 PCGS PR66
Another Liberty Head my William Barber J1646 PR66RB
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Simply wow. I won't even be surprised at this point when someone posts that golden calf Moses was all worked up about. james
Mini Morgans
@boiler78 . I can't even find those in Breen. They look more like fantasy pieces then actual coin designs. Amazing. james
Ahhhh, that's where those two are! I've been looking for them for years! So beautiful!
Catching up on the thread and stumbled across this one.
I am confuzzled!
Looks like the Washington head (Punch? Hub?) was pressed into the half dollar die after it was hubbed.
Why?
I think that is what add mystery to this pattern piece.
Let me just offer David Bowers observations from the Stacks ‘98 Catalog.
“ … While the circumstances of production may never be known, it seems to have been struck on a hub trial for the portrait of Washington used on patterns of the 1860s, ….
…. An examination of this piece under high magnification reveals two incised circles, intended for an inscription to be added, at the center of which a deep impression was punched of the portrait of Washington. The diameter of the circles indicates that the impression was, indeed, intended for a five-cent piece (being too small for a two-cent piece). Most probably, had this trial been carried to completion, letters would have been added and an impression taken in wax to see what the finished result would be. As it turned out, all that was done was to scribe two lines and to affix the punch. The disc was then kept on hand, and probably inadvertently used to produce the present coin, circa 1865- 1866. The obverse of the present coin, when examined under reflect the light, shows a somewhat irregular outline in the right field and may indicate an additional use of the other side of the planchet for some pattern or experimental purpose, which cannot be determined today. …”
As it appears that the piece was overstruck on a hub trial for a Washington portrait… the incuse Washington's face is very clearly seen and sharp, however the back of Washington's head, bust truncation, and trailing curls below the truncation are hard to visualize as they were weaker impressions, but they can be made out.
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
I think you need to look at Judd or Pollock US Patterns reference books or easier yet ... go to Uspatterns.com
https://www.uspatterns.com/
I do not recall reading any attempt by the mint to deploy a standard design across the denominations as had been the practice with the Seated Liberty Coinage (10HC through Dollar). With the Morgan dollar going into production the Morgan “Dime” along with the replicated Morgan quarter (J1593) and Morgan Half Dollar (J1599) would seem to fit that philosophy, however, most likely the mint just enjoy making these patterns for collectors. The competitive designs for the Dollar developed by Charles Barber were also deployed in 1878 & most likely for the same motive.
**
Charles Barber Dime J1585 PCGS PR64BN – Society Lady (Washlady) Bust **
**Charles Barber Quarter Dollar NGC J1581 PR65+BN – Society Lady (Washlady) Bust **
OMG ... My Mother was Right about Everything!
I wake up with a Good Attitude Every Day. Then … Idiots Happen!
Three newps we just purchased this past Sunday
@ScarsdaleCoin . Are you going to post the reverse pictures? James
Bottom row: