@jskillz95 said:
This will be a cycle for the next few days as people log in only to be greeted by a waiting room or a very slowed down website
Exactly! The waiting room that greeted me said 1 minute, then shot to 1 hour. Anybody want to buy a CLOUDFLARE tee- shirt? Do they need to keep the waiting room active 24-7? Or does it kick in automatically when more than ten people click on their website?
I went to the Marine ase page at 230am eastern and was put in a waiting room.
Was logged in and on the page at 645, at 727 I was put in a waiting room after having just a normal page before that. Able to get in just in time to see add to bag (unsuccessfully)
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
@Custerlost said:
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
Pinehurst ≠ the market. Plenty of interest at $187 on Pure right now. (The caveat is that Pure requires you to ship within 3 days, so people selling on the platform today won't be able to comply given mid-Dec shipping.)
Nobody who has them in hand today will let them go for less than $300 unless for some reason they failed to grade 70. But in 6 months, just the value of silver, which who knows at this point what that will be. 350?
@WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@Custerlost said:
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
Pinehurst ≠ the market. Plenty of interest at $187 on Pure right now. (The caveat is that Pure requires you to ship within 3 days, so people selling on the platform today won't be able to comply given mid-Dec shipping.)
Agree. If you look though, Pure acknowledges that it is pre-sale and gives more time to complete the transaction. Looks like Bid is down to $150 now though.
@Custerlost said:
Nobody who has them in hand today will let them go for less than $300 unless for some reason they failed to grade 70. But in 6 months, just the value of silver, which who knows at this point what that will be. 350?
Nobody? People are selling on Pure with recent transactions at $150 & $175.
@Custerlost said:
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
Pinehurst ≠ the market. Plenty of interest at $187 on Pure right now. (The caveat is that Pure requires you to ship within 3 days, so people selling on the platform today won't be able to comply given mid-Dec shipping.)
Agree. If you look though, Pure acknowledges that it is pre-sale and gives more time to complete the transaction. Looks like Bid is down to $150 now though.
@Custerlost said:
Nobody who has them in hand today will let them go for less than $300 unless for some reason they failed to grade 70. But in 6 months, just the value of silver, which who knows at this point what that will be. 350?
Nobody? People are selling on Pure with recent transactions at $150 & $175.
Are you maybe looking at the Army listing? They acknowledge the pre-sale for that coin, and the bid is currently $150. I still see $187 for Marine.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@Custerlost said:
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
Pinehurst ≠ the market. Plenty of interest at $187 on Pure right now. (The caveat is that Pure requires you to ship within 3 days, so people selling on the platform today won't be able to comply given mid-Dec shipping.)
Agree. If you look though, Pure acknowledges that it is pre-sale and gives more time to complete the transaction. Looks like Bid is down to $150 now though.
@Custerlost said:
Nobody who has them in hand today will let them go for less than $300 unless for some reason they failed to grade 70. But in 6 months, just the value of silver, which who knows at this point what that will be. 350?
Nobody? People are selling on Pure with recent transactions at $150 & $175.
Are you maybe looking at the Army listing? They acknowledge the pre-sale for that coin, and the bid is currently $150. I still see $187 for Marine.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
You are partially correct. The sale had already happened. The system requires to enter in ATS to sale. What you see for seconds at morning boot up at 7:30 is the add transaction immediately followed by the sale transaction. A flash on the screen as the transactions update weather it is small quantities or 10,000. This also accounts for the crashing buy prices of the big retailers. P.S. I do not base this on theory alone but on my experience setting up and installing inventory systems for Electronics Boutique and QVC and system integration with inventory control and ordering systems for major distributors.
It is not some out of control clerk playing with the numbers or bots but just normal updating of the system. If you want to know the truth you will need to see a transactional sales register.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
You are partially correct. The sale had already happened. The system requires to enter in ATS to sale. What you see for seconds at morning boot up at 7:30 is the add transaction immediately followed by the sale transaction. A flash on the screen as the transactions update weather it is small quantities or 10,000. This also accounts for the crashing buy prices of the big retailers. P.S. I do not base this on theory alone but on my experience setting up and installing inventory systems for Electronics Boutique and QVC and system integration with inventory control and ordering systems for major distributors.
It is not some out of control clerk playing with the numbers or bots but just normal updating of the system. If you want to know the truth you will need to see a transactional sales register.
With no household limit, it's not going to take long to clear out the entire inventory for folks using multiple accounts.
I already put one in my cart on Tuesday. No waiting room today, it went available and I went through checkout, got to payment screen and entered my security code and they flipped too unavailable. I would think if you had one in the cart and actively processing checkout it would hold until complete. Not so. THKS!
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@MilesWaits said:
Regardless of who grades these or whether they come in at “perfect” (whether or not it is a true 70), silver American Eagle and Maples and some other rounds/coins have a history of spotting.
At that point, regardless of the grade, your coin is worth spot or less.
For me, it is too much of a gamble. $699 to me is unimaginable.
I like issue price, only. Or a 69 grade close to issue price.
I was only asking to find out which service they/he was selling, it wasn't an issue of 'one's better than another', each of us is entitled to prefer coins in one holder over others, I own coins graded by all 4 TPG's, though I prefer our hosts. It's just that he does sell coins graded by all 4 of the major TPG's, though seems to be heavily into ANACS, followed by NGC....I believe he sells more from ICG than from our hosts. It was only a query........
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
You are partially correct. The sale had already happened. The system requires to enter in ATS to sale. What you see for seconds at morning boot up at 7:30 is the add transaction immediately followed by the sale transaction. A flash on the screen as the transactions update weather it is small quantities or 10,000. This also accounts for the crashing buy prices of the big retailers. P.S. I do not base this on theory alone but on my experience setting up and installing inventory systems for Electronics Boutique and QVC and system integration with inventory control and ordering systems for major distributors.
It is not some out of control clerk playing with the numbers or bots but just normal updating of the system. If you want to know the truth you will need to see a transactional sales register.
With no household limit, it's not going to take long to clear out the entire inventory for folks using multiple accounts.
You don't need multiple accounts with no HHL
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
The ABPP coins are never loaded into the system that way. So, they obviously don't. And they certainly wouldn't need to do it at 7:30 am with the others inventory updates.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
The ABPP coins are never loaded into the system that way. So, they obviously don't. And they certainly wouldn't need to do it at 7:30 am with the others inventory updates.
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
The ABPP coins are never loaded into the system that way. So, they obviously don't. And they certainly wouldn't need to do it at 7:30 am with the others inventory updates.
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
I don't think so. The ATS is the inventory/ for sale number on the website. ABPP orders can't be placed on the website. They deduct them but they don't sell them through the retail website.
But, again, per my other comment. They certainly wouldn't do it at 7:30 ET when the whole website updates. There's also no one there or at many of the ABPP to make purchases at that time. So even if they did have to pass them through the system, they'd do it when they were open.
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.DATE .ATS. .TIME
11/10 84401 44 min
11/11 16006 75 min
11/12 9828 1 min no HHL
11/13 6343* 1 min
11/14 ????? seconds, I presume (going hiking)
*Observed by me at 7:35 et this morning - could have been larger.
The mint reported a pre-sale total of 9999 on Nov. 10. Combining that with the 4 “sellouts” results in sales of at least 126,577 (mintage limit is 100,000).
Sorry, but I’m compelled to modify a General Beringer quote from “War Games”….
“Ms. McNally, after very careful consideration, madam, I’ve come to the conclusion that your
new retail system sucks.”
@NJCoin said
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
You are correct . The inventory is the inventory period . !! Also @Jmlanzaf threw in the ABPP would not be in the 7:30 numbers which is irrelevant because if so they are regular buyers like everyone else at this point their purchases would reduce .
Again: The only real answer to this issue is a complete transaction by transaction sales register which will never be released to the public.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said: @WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
The ABPP coins are never loaded into the system that way. So, they obviously don't. And they certainly wouldn't need to do it at 7:30 am with the others inventory updates.
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
I don't think so. The ATS is the inventory/ for sale number on the website. ABPP orders can't be placed on the website. They deduct them but they don't sell them through the retail website.
But, again, per my other comment. They certainly wouldn't do it at 7:30 ET when the whole website updates. There's also no one there or at many of the ABPP to make purchases at that time. So even if they did have to pass them through the system, they'd do it when they were open.
I get it. But we are past ABPP now, and are in the territory we were in when the additional High Relief Gold was released. Whatever they are doing now might very well be running through the same system that feeds the web, with the coins being unavailable for purchase.
I honestly don't know, or care. But it is odd that 10K would be available, with no more than 99 able to be purchased in a single transaction, and they'd all be gone in less than a minute with no one here able to snag a single coin.
So I look for other possible explanations. The most obvious one is not that a gazillion bots hit at exactly 7:30, and blocked each and every other potential buyer out. More likely is that there were nowhere near 10K available on the web. YMMV.
@NJCoin said
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
You are correct . The inventory is the inventory period . !! Also @Jmlanzaf threw in the ABPP would not be in the 7:30 numbers which is irrelevant because if so they are regular buyers like everyone else at this point their purchases would reduce .
Again: The only real answer to this issue is a complete transaction by transaction sales register which will never be released to the public.
I was not talking about the early release coins. The point was that they could sell them to ABPP buyers (or the like) now in the same way they sell the early releases - who are these favorites you think they are sneaking them to? - without them appearing in the ATS number. [See the separate product number above. ] they have no need to make them visible ATS at 7:30 to sell them out the back door as some are suggesting.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
@NJCoin said
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
You are correct . The inventory is the inventory period . !! Also @Jmlanzaf threw in the ABPP would not be in the 7:30 numbers which is irrelevant because if so they are regular buyers like everyone else at this point their purchases would reduce .
Again: The only real answer to this issue is a complete transaction by transaction sales register which will never be released to the public.
I was not talking about the early release coins. The point was that they could sell them to ABPP buyers (or the like) now in the same way they sell the early releases - who are these favorites you think they are sneaking them to? - without them appearing in the ATS number. [See the separate product number above. ] they have no need to make them visible ATS at 7:30 to sell them out the back door as some are suggesting.
Just talking about the 10,000 OGP coins that blipped on the ATS. 1. who they sold to can only proved by releasing a transactional sales register. 2. the 10,000 has to add then subtract from the inventory, and if the ATS is their true inventory then the transactions have to post there. 3. the quantity updates whenever they post the the transactions and if nothing posts overnight it occurs at boot up. if the boot up is 7:30 AM than when the inventory increases and decreases . A large overnight sale or sales would increase then decrease the ATS in seconds explaining the 10,000 quantity flash.
This and all else is still assumption without the detailed sales register. We are not going to see it so:
STICK A FORK IN IT !!!!!
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Here is an interesting data point: I was in Europe on a river cruise with slow wifi when the USMC ASE went for sale. I tried logging in 15 minutes before and got the expected "wait" page. Upon the turn of the hour, I was immediately allowed to log in, put the coin in my cart and was checked out in about a minute!
@mbogoman said:
Here is an interesting data point: I was in Europe on a river cruise with slow wifi when the USMC ASE went for sale. I tried logging in 15 minutes before and got the expected "wait" page. Upon the turn of the hour, I was immediately allowed to log in, put the coin in my cart and was checked out in about a minute!
Sometimes you get lucky to catch a break. A similar thing happened to me with the Army privy. I got into the wait room a few minutes before release and had it ordered 3 minutes after it went live.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
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I went to the Marine ase page at 230am eastern and was put in a waiting room.
Was logged in and on the page at 645, at 727 I was put in a waiting room after having just a normal page before that. Able to get in just in time to see add to bag (unsuccessfully)
Why?
http://ProofCollection.Net
The market has spoken. Premium right now is $25 at Pinehurst if you want to cash one in. Otherwise not worth any more than the silver. But good news, the dollar is again moving down against silver. So either way, a decent investment gamble if you can get one through cloudflare.
You can say that for all US Mint silver offerings. Silver will be $200 or more against the dollar eventually. So buy ‘em if you like ‘em and your heirs will be happy you did.
Pinehurst ≠ the market. Plenty of interest at $187 on Pure right now. (The caveat is that Pure requires you to ship within 3 days, so people selling on the platform today won't be able to comply given mid-Dec shipping.)
Nobody who has them in hand today will let them go for less than $300 unless for some reason they failed to grade 70. But in 6 months, just the value of silver, which who knows at this point what that will be. 350?
@WALLE said:
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
Not bots. This was planned to filter out flippers and allow big quantities to their better customers. This type of activity is done with a purpose. No rules. No regulation . Do whatever you can get away with .
If it was being done for a fair reason it would be clearly stated. What you don’t know will definitely hurt you.
Agree. If you look though, Pure acknowledges that it is pre-sale and gives more time to complete the transaction. Looks like Bid is down to $150 now though.
Nobody? People are selling on Pure with recent transactions at $150 & $175.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Are you maybe looking at the Army listing? They acknowledge the pre-sale for that coin, and the bid is currently $150. I still see $187 for Marine.
Nonsense.
If they wanted to sell them to their better customers, they simply would sell them. No one would know. It would be ludicrous to pretend to make them available and direct them to certain parties.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
Yeah, I was, ooops.
http://ProofCollection.Net
You are partially correct. The sale had already happened. The system requires to enter in ATS to sale. What you see for seconds at morning boot up at 7:30 is the add transaction immediately followed by the sale transaction. A flash on the screen as the transactions update weather it is small quantities or 10,000. This also accounts for the crashing buy prices of the big retailers. P.S. I do not base this on theory alone but on my experience setting up and installing inventory systems for Electronics Boutique and QVC and system integration with inventory control and ordering systems for major distributors.
It is not some out of control clerk playing with the numbers or bots but just normal updating of the system. If you want to know the truth you will need to see a transactional sales register.
With no household limit, it's not going to take long to clear out the entire inventory for folks using multiple accounts.
.
I already put one in my cart on Tuesday. No waiting room today, it went available and I went through checkout, got to payment screen and entered my security code and they flipped too unavailable. I would think if you had one in the cart and actively processing checkout it would hold until complete. Not so. THKS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
I was only asking to find out which service they/he was selling, it wasn't an issue of 'one's better than another', each of us is entitled to prefer coins in one holder over others, I own coins graded by all 4 TPG's, though I prefer our hosts. It's just that he does sell coins graded by all 4 of the major TPG's, though seems to be heavily into ANACS, followed by NGC....I believe he sells more from ICG than from our hosts. It was only a query........
You don't need multiple accounts with no HHL
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Unless they have to load them into the system in order to be able to sell them. To anyone.
It's worth keeping in mind that that "ATS" html code is not really meant for public consumption. It's not like they are advertising them or anything.
If 10,000 were being sold, 99 at a time, one would think someone on here would be able to complete a purchase. What @HATTRICK suggests actually makes more sense.
The 10K are in the system, and are immediately directed where they are meant to go, with no HHL. Few if any actually hit the web. Which is why no one can complete a purchase, even though 10K are ostensibly available for purchase.
Whatever. You don't see me screaming about it now, because the Mint can indeed do whatever it wants. And, after the first 24 hours, with the HHL lifted, they don't actually owe anyone anything if this is how they want to distribute them.
The drama is HOT, just like the Army privy !! Makes for good collecting !
Now I hope the Mint cleans up the product quality and destroys all the bad quality products so far minted. (fat chance huh?)
I am presuming that this is why the late shipping date has transpired.
The ABPP coins are never loaded into the system that way. So, they obviously don't. And they certainly wouldn't need to do it at 7:30 am with the others inventory updates.
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Man, I got summoned to the waiting room simply trying to login to my account this morning. What in the world is going on. RGDS!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
BOOMIN!™
Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????
Take a number. Hurry up and wait.
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
I don't think so. The ATS is the inventory/ for sale number on the website. ABPP orders can't be placed on the website. They deduct them but they don't sell them through the retail website.
But, again, per my other comment. They certainly wouldn't do it at 7:30 ET when the whole website updates. There's also no one there or at many of the ABPP to make purchases at that time. So even if they did have to pass them through the system, they'd do it when they were open.
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Sellout Summaries (so far)
.DATE .ATS. .TIME
11/10 84401 44 min
11/11 16006 75 min
11/12 9828 1 min no HHL
11/13 6343* 1 min
11/14 ????? seconds, I presume (going hiking)
*Observed by me at 7:35 et this morning - could have been larger.
The mint reported a pre-sale total of 9999 on Nov. 10. Combining that with the 4 “sellouts” results in sales of at least 126,577 (mintage limit is 100,000).
Sorry, but I’m compelled to modify a General Beringer quote from “War Games”….
“Ms. McNally, after very careful consideration, madam, I’ve come to the conclusion that your
new retail system sucks.”
Gc 8n> @RAWcoin said:
The math ain't mathing...
(regarding the mintage)
wow I was awake at 4am pst to try and snag one. Waited until 4:30 and i never saw anything show up.
what time are they restocking these everyday? I'm not getting any email notification (I already signed to notify me!).
If they send an email, it certainly wouldn't arrive until long after the limited quantities are gone.
The availability is usually at 7:30 AM Eastern Time, although some reported it was a few minutes later this week.
@NJCoin said
Aren't they, though? I am not vigilant about constantly checking the html code, but I am pretty sure I have seen some folks here report ATS of something like 99K+ for a 100K release weeks before the on sale date, and then that number magically decrements to something like 85K before anything is made available for sale on the web.
You are correct . The inventory is the inventory period . !! Also @Jmlanzaf threw in the ABPP would not be in the 7:30 numbers which is irrelevant because if so they are regular buyers like everyone else at this point their purchases would reduce .
Again: The only real answer to this issue is a complete transaction by transaction sales register which will never be released to the public.
The ATS for ABPP can be checked by adding AB to the item number on the HTML link
https://www.usmint.gov/on/demandware.store/Sites-USM-Site/default/Product-Variation?pid=25MPMAB
Anyone remember how long the wait was for the 2021 Morgans after ordering them?
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.
@Cranium_Basher73 said:
May release (O, CC) was 5 months, August (D, S, P) was 2-2.5 months. Not sure that's helpful here, though.
I get it. But we are past ABPP now, and are in the territory we were in when the additional High Relief Gold was released. Whatever they are doing now might very well be running through the same system that feeds the web, with the coins being unavailable for purchase.
I honestly don't know, or care. But it is odd that 10K would be available, with no more than 99 able to be purchased in a single transaction, and they'd all be gone in less than a minute with no one here able to snag a single coin.
So I look for other possible explanations. The most obvious one is not that a gazillion bots hit at exactly 7:30, and blocked each and every other potential buyer out. More likely is that there were nowhere near 10K available on the web. YMMV.
I was not talking about the early release coins. The point was that they could sell them to ABPP buyers (or the like) now in the same way they sell the early releases - who are these favorites you think they are sneaking them to? - without them appearing in the ATS number. [See the separate product number above. ] they have no need to make them visible ATS at 7:30 to sell them out the back door as some are suggesting.
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Looks like something interesting happened overnight. 900 orders on Pure and now no there are no bids.
Pure reset the bid price. Now it is at $178. Same as 3 days ago.
somebody also dumped another 1K
activity 1000
$180.00
40 minutes ago
Just talking about the 10,000 OGP coins that blipped on the ATS. 1. who they sold to can only proved by releasing a transactional sales register. 2. the 10,000 has to add then subtract from the inventory, and if the ATS is their true inventory then the transactions have to post there. 3. the quantity updates whenever they post the the transactions and if nothing posts overnight it occurs at boot up. if the boot up is 7:30 AM than when the inventory increases and decreases . A large overnight sale or sales would increase then decrease the ATS in seconds explaining the 10,000 quantity flash.
This and all else is still assumption without the detailed sales register. We are not going to see it so:
STICK A FORK IN IT !!!!!
Here is an interesting data point: I was in Europe on a river cruise with slow wifi when the USMC ASE went for sale. I tried logging in 15 minutes before and got the expected "wait" page. Upon the turn of the hour, I was immediately allowed to log in, put the coin in my cart and was checked out in about a minute!
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Sometimes you get lucky to catch a break. A similar thing happened to me with the Army privy. I got into the wait room a few minutes before release and had it ordered 3 minutes after it went live.
Throw a coin enough times, and suppose one day it lands on its edge.