Contemporary Era BB HOF Ballot - Is it Donnie's time?
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This is really a stacked ballot. I'm pulling for Donnie and Dale Murphy. Fernando is nice to have there but I don't think he should have made the ballot. For the Hall to include 3 steriod guys tells me that want to let everyone know that these guys will never get in under current management.
If Donnie and Murph get in, should we expect another significant rise? Mattingly's cards are already pretty high, is there really another level?
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Carlos Delgado
Jeff Kent
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Gary Sheffield
Fernando Valenzuela
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If they dont let in the Roid-ers than Donnie and Murph are probably in , but if they do then zero chance
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Delgado and Kent are very underrated HOF options in my opinion. Kent should have been in years ago. One of the best hitting 2nd basemen of all time. Delgado, 1500+ RBI, almost 500 homeruns, 138 career OPS+. Underrated slugger in a generation of steroid users.
I would put in Murphy, Kent, Delgado. Wouldn't mind seeing Mattingly.
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The advance expectations on Clemens, Bonds and Mattingly have been driving their card values exponentially upward. I don’t foresee a huge jump for them if elected. Murphy, on the other hand, very deserving and perhaps still undervalued.
Kent is definitely underrated. I think he was just one of those guys that didn't cater to writers and didn't sell himself like some players do.
He deserves to be in. I'd love to see Donnie and Murphy in too. Murphy was great on some truly terrible Braves teams.
With some of those there might be a short bump but overall getting in might be like releasing pressure valve leading to lower interest thus prices as the FOMO folks seek out their next targets.. After all the Census Pops on most of their cards in PSA 10 is sky high.
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I think Delgado is completely deserving and am surprised how quickly he was dismissed. Dont feel Mattingly is deserving. Just a well-liked appreciated player.
As much as I love Mattingly, he doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame just because he had an amazing 87 season. The truth is that he fizzled out after about 4 years. mind you, he played for like 10 more seasons. Hall of most beloved players perhaps? 100%
I'd vote for Kent and Murphy.
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I am a big hall guy. I would feel just fine if everyone on that ballot with the exception of fernando got in. It is funny, I think that Hershiser is more deserving of HOF than Fernando is.
I also think Kenny Lofton should be in and he isnt even on the ballot
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I agree. I was going to post something along this line concerning Delgado, and didn't get around to it.
He got a rather late start to his full time play, he was 24.
The next 13 seasons he averaged 148 games played, only playing less than 138 games one time. He averaged 35 HR and 111 RBI with a .552 SLG and a 140 OPS+ during those years.
He could have won a couple of MVP's. In 2000 he was beat out by a juiced up Jason Giambi and in 2003 he was beat out by a juiced up Aroid.
Juicer Manny Ramierez also were putting up big numbers during this time as well.
No failed tests or accusations that I can find against Carlos.
It looks like he was still playing at a high level right up to the end of his career when a hip injury caused his retirement. He hit 38 HR in his final full season.
I guess he was pretty bad defensively? He made a lot of errors, but his lifetime fielding % was league average.
Shortish career hurts him too, but he played almost every single game every year once he became a starter and at a very high and consistent level.
I agree that Hershiser and Lofton need to be looked again. Lou Whitaker should have been on the ballot over Fernando.
agreed on sweet lou. If Trammel is in, so should Lou be
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I agree with Whitiker 100% but with exception of HRs his and Willie Randolph careers and WAR are very similar. Lou's WAR is a bit higher mostly due to 3+ year career.
Both their WARs are nearly double Baines and Baines played longer.
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It is a sin Trammell's in and Sweet Lou is not. Put the guy in the Hall already.
Let’s be honest, the standard of what a Hall Of Famer is has slipped considerably over the last dozen years or so. Initially I was fine with Mattingly not getting in, but with the door wide open and so many players below him enshrined I think he’ll make it. Here is an outstanding video that really spells out why Mattingly should be in: https://mlb.com/yankees/video/mlb-now-on-don-mattingly-s-hall-of-fame-case
sheffield clemens and bonds should have been in 10 years. bonds in probably a top 5 player of all-time. clemens might be the best pitcher ever. gary also an easy pick. murphy delgado and kent look like easy picks too.
He was a DH which has a profound positional adjustment. The guy was a HOF hitter.
Giving Donnie extra credit for setting the table for the past 10 years of Dave Roberts' charmed life.
I can't for the life me understand how Kenny of all people was a one-and-done on the HOF ballot (dropped because he got <5%)...he deserved a LOT better HOF voter love/consideration than THAT.
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My top 10 most deserving to be in the Hall of Fame.
It certainly is not a recent thing. Check out the Frankie Frisch veterans committee selections over 50 years ago. we had such luminaries as Jessie Haines and Chick Hafey elected.
It would be a small hall indeed if only players at the level of mays, ruth, williams, cobb, mantle, seaver and walter johnson were elected.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I know. Delgado was also one and done with <5%. check out his rate stats. the guy was a monster who definitely would have gotten well over 500 HR had his hip not given out at age 36
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
another guy who is close, and i am not quite there with him yet for HOF is Rick Reuschel. he pitched a long time, had a career OPS+ of 114 which is right there with guys like sutton, ryan, jenkins, perry etc. He is 24th in WAR for pitchers after integration. he earned that WAR in less IP than many of the pitchers above him on the list. He is higher on the list than guys like Smoltz, Palmer and Feller.
like I said, I am not there with him yet, but there is a case to be made.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Lofton fell off because of the overcrowding on the ballot and the Hall’s rule that you can only vote for 10 candidates. Check out the ballot from Lofton’s only year:
Same thing happened to Jim Edmonds.
And how often would it actually make sense to use the max ten votes?
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74T: 241,435,610,654 97 Finest silver: 115,135,139,145,310
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I'd vote for 18 of those guys if possible. And you may be able to convince me on Bernie. For all of the revered Yankees, I think Bernie and Paul O'Neill played a huge role in winning championships in the late 90s. That counts for a lot.
Bernie was clutch no doubt. Reuschel was a very solid pitcher. He would make $30 mill today.
Bernie Williams is very underrated. 1995-2002 dude was total money. Yeah his power numbers were low in that roid era but he put up his numbers clean.
Regardless of the metrics I watched most of those games and IMHO Bernie's offense+defense won the team more games than Jeter. In the 1996-2000 run IMHO the top 3 players that the team could not do without in order are:
1) Mariano Rivera
2) Bernie Williams
3) Paul O'Neill
Pettite or Jeter 4th and the other 5th.
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Pettitte should be in the HOF - his playoff stats are off the chart.
If not for Clemens, Pettite woudl never have gone down the roid path and would be in the Hall. Also Pettite admitted what he did like a man , something Clemens is not!
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did Clemens use? if you think so, I would love to hear your evidence that he did.
all the prosecution could come up with was one disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind.
I have done ooodles of research about this case. there is really nothing there. Mostly Lester Munson going on ESPN every week to "report" on how guilty he thought Clemens was. then that narrative got into the public zeitgeist and the rest is history...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
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