@coolstanley said:
So it remains the all time hit king, and all time Home run king are left out.
The baseball HOF is nothing but a joke/farce.
HUH? Hit king was not eligible for this ballot!
The first ballot the hit king is eligible "CLASSIC BASEBALL ERA (PRIOR TO 1980)" is in 2027. Good news as it gives you 2 full years to manufacture more rage. If he fails to make it then, you'll have 3 more years to generate additional rage. It's more about the hunt than the catch anyhow -- right
@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
No different than any other organization which is controlled by people with strong opinions.
strong opinions? more like agenda's. kent and bonds played together. and no one thinks kent did ped's? lol.
i think kent belonged because he was a great player. they all do something..lots of $$
No one from the era is above suspicion however Kents name was never linked in any manner IIRC.
Bond/Clemens/AROD etc will likley not get in our lifetimes and probably not in our children's either. Deal with it if you are able or just become more old and bitter its your choice. Either way it wont change anything.
I'm happy for Kent !
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972) Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
@olb31 said:
PRETTY SURE HE DIDN'T GET IN ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF THE PED'S. sorry bout the caps.
He did not get in originally simply because the committee was blinded completely by WAR. People are now realizing that WAR is just one of a great many things you factor in. This was reinforced by multiple people who had a say in the votes.
Jeff Kent should have gotten in within the first couple of ballots. He's one of the worst cases of wrongful voting for the HoF. His HoF case is obvious.
amongst second basemen
Career HR - 1st
Career RBI - 3rd (closely behind Lajoie and Hornsby)
Career SLG - 2nd (behind Hornsby)
Career OPS - 4th (behind Hornsby, Jackie, Gehringer)
Games played second base - 9th all-time
7x his teams went to the playoffs
MVP
He's in the top three all-time offensively at his position. He's a very underrated fielder as well.
This is why the voting was so exciting as you never know what direction it's going to go. I thought for sure we would have multiple players get elected.
Mattingly, Murphy and Delgado live to fight another day. Nothing really lost there.
Bonds, Clemens, Venezuela and Sheffield still have a chance sometime in the future. However, I have to say that it's a pity that Venezuela is put into this group as there was never ever any hint of him being linked to PEDs. Sheffield's links have been contextualized, but I don't want to start a discussion on that.
I look forward to the next batch of 8. It may include Mattingly, Murphy, and Delgado, but I know it does not have to. I would say Schilling, Kevin Brown, Cone, Whitaker and some others could be considered.
It looks like Mattingly's cards have indeed gone up another notch as someone mentioned previously.
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i have two jeff kent rookies i got this past summer. glad i got them this past summer instead of now.
PRETTY SURE HE DIDN'T GET IN ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF THE PED'S. sorry bout the caps.
So it remains the all time hit king, and all time Home run king are left out.
The baseball HOF is nothing but a joke/farce.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
No different than any other organization which is controlled by people with strong opinions.
strong opinions? more like agenda's. kent and bonds played together. and no one thinks kent did ped's? lol.
i think kent belonged because he was a great player. they all do something..lots of $$
HUH? Hit king was not eligible for this ballot!
The first ballot the hit king is eligible "CLASSIC BASEBALL ERA (PRIOR TO 1980)" is in 2027. Good news as it gives you 2 full years to manufacture more rage. If he fails to make it then, you'll have 3 more years to generate additional rage. It's more about the hunt than the catch anyhow -- right
https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/election-rules/era-committees
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
Call it what you want. Same difference. People in control. That is the message.
No one from the era is above suspicion however Kents name was never linked in any manner IIRC.
Bond/Clemens/AROD etc will likley not get in our lifetimes and probably not in our children's either. Deal with it if you are able or just become more old and bitter its your choice. Either way it wont change anything.
I'm happy for Kent !
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
So Kent was better than Bonds?
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ohio State Buckeyes - National Champions
He did not get in originally simply because the committee was blinded completely by WAR. People are now realizing that WAR is just one of a great many things you factor in. This was reinforced by multiple people who had a say in the votes.
Jeff Kent should have gotten in within the first couple of ballots. He's one of the worst cases of wrongful voting for the HoF. His HoF case is obvious.
amongst second basemen
Career HR - 1st
Career RBI - 3rd (closely behind Lajoie and Hornsby)
Career SLG - 2nd (behind Hornsby)
Career OPS - 4th (behind Hornsby, Jackie, Gehringer)
Games played second base - 9th all-time
7x his teams went to the playoffs
MVP
He's in the top three all-time offensively at his position. He's a very underrated fielder as well.
^ agreed WAR should be factored in (a tool in the belt) but it should never be the primary or sole factor.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not even a minute do I buy the whole buh buh buh I'm a man-child japery - Me (2025)
This is why the voting was so exciting as you never know what direction it's going to go. I thought for sure we would have multiple players get elected.
Mattingly, Murphy and Delgado live to fight another day. Nothing really lost there.
Bonds, Clemens, Venezuela and Sheffield still have a chance sometime in the future. However, I have to say that it's a pity that Venezuela is put into this group as there was never ever any hint of him being linked to PEDs. Sheffield's links have been contextualized, but I don't want to start a discussion on that.
I look forward to the next batch of 8. It may include Mattingly, Murphy, and Delgado, but I know it does not have to. I would say Schilling, Kevin Brown, Cone, Whitaker and some others could be considered.
It looks like Mattingly's cards have indeed gone up another notch as someone mentioned previously.
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