@Batman23 said:
Now why is it that they have minted/sold/shipped some to the "Bug Guys" days/weeks ago but have none available for us peasants? They had plenty of time to fit these into their schedule... In fact, they made the schedule.
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@Onastone said:
Was this Marine coin available as a Pre-sell? The Army & Navy were definitely not, but according to the mint pages, the Marines were..??
The Army Privy in June was a Pre-Order and was identified as such at the Mint's e-commerce site. I ordered it June 13th; Received August 12th. The Navy privy was not a Pre-Order: Ordered October 10th; Received October 16th.
Couldn't get one yesterday but got in today. Semper fi (from an Army guy) 🇺🇸
I was sitting here wondering myself, I got one yesterday but looks like it would have been much easier to just wait and get one today. Same thing with the Navy one. Go Army (from a Marine guy). Glad you got one. Happy Veterans Day. RGDS!
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Nope. Those are all Advance Release. First Strike for regular release will be 30 days from when they first ship to the public. Tentatively scheduled for mid-December.
Not from when Advance Release first ship to the Big Boys. The deadline will be sometime in January. Not 12/11.
If you look at every First Strike coin, on the back of the label it says, "Delivered Within First 30 Days of Initial Release."
If you look at the Pop Chart, they've already graded First Strike and First Day of Issue coins. The First Strike 30-day clock has started ticking. If these start shipping forum members on Dec 1, and I send in a coin for grading on Dec 26, then the First Strike window would be more than 30 days.
It has not. I PROMISE you.
You'll see. If you don't believe me, feel free to call them tomorrow and ask.
This is not something we need to debate back and forth, with speculation and opinion. There is a definitive answer, and it can be provided by our hosts upon request.
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
The "release" was scheduled for 11/10, but, as announced on their website, that date has been pushed back to mid-December. It was only placed on pre-sale because 11/10 is the relevant anniversary date, and they wanted to stick to it.
How can it be argued that the first strike period has not begun if First Strike coins are already in the pop report? Are you saying the First Strike period gets paused between the time the bulk buyers get theirs and they start shipping retail? Where is that in the PCGS policies? The PCGS policies are pretty clear, it is a 30 day window. I am sure PCGS will find a way to bend the rule because they make bank off of printing two words on a label, but that's what their policies clearly say.
@NJCoin said:
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
I'm not sure how you can say they've not been released if they are already in dealer's hands. That's pretty much the definition of release.
No, it's pre-released. There hasn't been an official release - by definition. This is not at all unusual. When a coin show has Early Bird admission for dealers, is that the same as being open to the public?
Books are shipped to bookstores before sales begin to the public. Music is released to stores and the radio before it is released to the public. Etc.
Right, but in the case of books and movies they get the media early but they aren't allowed to sell it until a certain date and time, thus preserving the release date or what I believe you referred to as the "official" release. That is not the case with the mint's release where the coins will be on dealer shelves in days if not already. Dealers certainly aren't waiting until mid-December to start selling (and shipping) these. If I can buy one and take possession of it, there can be no disputing that the coin is released.
If there is exception PCGS should probably tighten up its language to accurately reflect reality. It's already bad enough that the same numismatic issue can have multiple first strike windows based on different packaging.
Nope. Those are all Advance Release. First Strike for regular release will be 30 days from when they first ship to the public. Tentatively scheduled for mid-December.
Not from when Advance Release first ship to the Big Boys. The deadline will be sometime in January. Not 12/11.
If you look at every First Strike coin, on the back of the label it says, "Delivered Within First 30 Days of Initial Release."
If you look at the Pop Chart, they've already graded First Strike and First Day of Issue coins. The First Strike 30-day clock has started ticking. If these start shipping forum members on Dec 1, and I send in a coin for grading on Dec 26, then the First Strike window would be more than 30 days.
It has not. I PROMISE you.
You'll see. If you don't believe me, feel free to call them tomorrow and ask.
This is not something we need to debate back and forth, with speculation and opinion. There is a definitive answer, and it can be provided by our hosts upon request.
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
The "release" was scheduled for 11/10, but, as announced on their website, that date has been pushed back to mid-December. It was only placed on pre-sale because 11/10 is the relevant anniversary date, and they wanted to stick to it.
How can it be argued that the first strike period has not begun if First Strike coins are already in the pop report? Are you saying the First Strike period gets paused between the time the bulk buyers get theirs and they start shipping retail? Where is that in the PCGS policies? The PCGS policies are pretty clear, it is a 30 day window. I am sure PCGS will find a way to bend the rule because they make bank off of printing two words on a label, but that's what their policies clearly say.
@NJCoin said:
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
I'm not sure how you can say they've not been released if they are already in dealer's hands. That's pretty much the definition of release.
No, it's pre-released. There hasn't been an official release - by definition. This is not at all unusual. When a coin show has Early Bird admission for dealers, is that the same as being open to the public?
Books are shipped to bookstores before sales begin to the public. Music is released to stores and the radio before it is released to the public. Etc.
Right, but in the case of books and movies they get the media early but they aren't allowed to sell it until a certain date and time, thus preserving the release date or what I believe you referred to as the "official" release. That is not the case with the mint's release where the coins will be on dealer shelves in days if not already. Dealers certainly aren't waiting until mid-December to start selling (and shipping) these. If I can buy one and take possession of it, there can be no disputing that the coin is released.
If there is exception PCGS should probably tighten up its language to accurately reflect reality. It's already bad enough that the same numismatic issue can have multiple first strike windows based on different packaging.
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
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Now why is it that they have minted/sold/shipped some to the "Bug Guys" days/weeks ago but have none available for us peasants? They had plenty of time to fit these into their schedule... In fact, they made the schedule.
They don't ship to them, they have to pick them up from the Mint
Shipped, picked up, carrier pigeon airlift, insert whatever method of obtainium you want to use. You missed the question.
Why are these available for >pick up< to the Big Guys, but not available for >cross country delivery by Tortoise< for us peasants until a month later?
Nope. Those are all Advance Release. First Strike for regular release will be 30 days from when they first ship to the public. Tentatively scheduled for mid-December.
Not from when Advance Release first ship to the Big Boys. The deadline will be sometime in January. Not 12/11.
If you look at every First Strike coin, on the back of the label it says, "Delivered Within First 30 Days of Initial Release."
If you look at the Pop Chart, they've already graded First Strike and First Day of Issue coins. The First Strike 30-day clock has started ticking. If these start shipping forum members on Dec 1, and I send in a coin for grading on Dec 26, then the First Strike window would be more than 30 days.
It has not. I PROMISE you.
You'll see. If you don't believe me, feel free to call them tomorrow and ask.
This is not something we need to debate back and forth, with speculation and opinion. There is a definitive answer, and it can be provided by our hosts upon request.
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
The "release" was scheduled for 11/10, but, as announced on their website, that date has been pushed back to mid-December. It was only placed on pre-sale because 11/10 is the relevant anniversary date, and they wanted to stick to it.
How can it be argued that the first strike period has not begun if First Strike coins are already in the pop report? Are you saying the First Strike period gets paused between the time the bulk buyers get theirs and they start shipping retail? Where is that in the PCGS policies? The PCGS policies are pretty clear, it is a 30 day window. I am sure PCGS will find a way to bend the rule because they make bank off of printing two words on a label, but that's what their policies clearly say.
@NJCoin said:
This coin has not yet been "released." It was just pre-released to selected Big Boys.
I'm not sure how you can say they've not been released if they are already in dealer's hands. That's pretty much the definition of release.
No, it's pre-released. There hasn't been an official release - by definition. This is not at all unusual. When a coin show has Early Bird admission for dealers, is that the same as being open to the public?
Books are shipped to bookstores before sales begin to the public. Music is released to stores and the radio before it is released to the public. Etc.
Right, but in the case of books and movies they get the media early but they aren't allowed to sell it until a certain date and time, thus preserving the release date or what I believe you referred to as the "official" release. That is not the case with the mint's release where the coins will be on dealer shelves in days if not already. Dealers certainly aren't waiting until mid-December to start selling (and shipping) these. If I can buy one and take possession of it, there can be no disputing that the coin is released.
If there is exception PCGS should probably tighten up its language to accurately reflect reality. It's already bad enough that the same numismatic issue can have multiple first strike windows based on different packaging.
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
I just heard that these were available or were supposed to be available for purchase at the Denver US Mint shop in person. If that's the case then by all accounts they are released.
@Batman23 said:
Now why is it that they have minted/sold/shipped some to the "Bug Guys" days/weeks ago but have none available for us peasants? They had plenty of time to fit these into their schedule... In fact, they made the schedule.
Dear Big Guys,
"The earliest order date is October 28, 2025, and orders must be received by October 31, 2025, by 3 p.m. ET. Pick-up date is November 3, 2025. This product will be released to ABPP members with a 5% premium"
USM
Exactly, they are available for "Pick-up" a week ago, yet they are not available for regular distribution for another month?
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The coin was made available for sale on November 10, 2025, and is being sold by the United States Mint online, and was also available for purchase in person at the National Museum of the Marine Corps on November 10, 2025. How can this not be released ? Definitions change to suit the label sale. First day ? First Strike ? Advance release ? They are all worthless, except for the short run, so dump them while you can unless you want them for yourself. Years from now they will only be worth melt and sold for pot or to settle gambling debts.
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@jmlanzaf said
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
Last week Magic Mike at HSN was showing and selling them. He said he had the coins but could not ship until the release date. Also last week APMAX had Advanced release, FDOI, 70 & 69 different labels for pre sale on their website then took everything off. There will be a lot of stuff thrown against the wall with this issue. Buyer Beware !!!!!!!!!!
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said: @jmlanzaf said
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
Last week Magic Mike at HSN was showing and selling them. He said he had the coins but could not ship until the release date. Also last week APMAX had Advanced release, FDOI, 70 & 69 different labels for pre sale on their website then took everything off. There will be a lot of stuff thrown against the wall with this issue. Buyer Beware !!!!!!!!!!
They are allowed to sell pre-release. I don't watch Magic Mike, but I don't see JM, Apmex or Pinehurst actually selling them yet.
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@HATTRICK said: @jmlanzaf said
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
Last week Magic Mike at HSN was showing and selling them. He said he had the coins but could not ship until the release date. Also last week APMAX had Advanced release, FDOI, 70 & 69 different labels for pre sale on their website then took everything off. There will be a lot of stuff thrown against the wall with this issue. Buyer Beware !!!!!!!!!!
They are allowed to sell pre-release. I don't watch Magic Mike, but I don't see JM, Apmex or Pinehurst actually selling them yet.
As you can see above, APMEX had them for sale on their website for a day or two last week then removed every thing.
every thing was listed as presale but removed. There is something about this issue which will be revealed in the coming days.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said: @jmlanzaf said
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
Last week Magic Mike at HSN was showing and selling them. He said he had the coins but could not ship until the release date. Also last week APMAX had Advanced release, FDOI, 70 & 69 different labels for pre sale on their website then took everything off. There will be a lot of stuff thrown against the wall with this issue. Buyer Beware !!!!!!!!!!
They are allowed to sell pre-release. I don't watch Magic Mike, but I don't see JM, Apmex or Pinehurst actually selling them yet.
I don’t believe I am saying this, however it looks like those who locked in at Magic Mike's presale at $699.99 for PR 70 Advance Release got a real deal. Sometimes you get the Bear!!
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
@HATTRICK said:
I don’t believe I am saying this, however it looks like those who locked in at Magic Mike's presale at $699.99 for PR 70 Advance Release got a real deal. Sometimes you get the Bear!!
But were those graded by his favorite TPG ANACS??? He does have coins graded by our hosts infrequently, but the majority of his offerings are from ANACS, then NGC
@HATTRICK said:
I don’t believe I am saying this, however it looks like those who locked in at Magic Mike's presale at $699.99 for PR 70 Advance Release got a real deal. Sometimes you get the Bear!!
But were those graded by his favorite TPG ANACS??? He does have coins graded by our hosts infrequently, but the majority of his offerings are from ANACS, then NGC
And he has alot of them holdered by ICG, as well
People buying from him are buying for themselves. Getting an Advance Release PR70 with interest free payments and free shipping and return guarantee if they don’t like it . They are not worried whose slab it is in.
" If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. " The 1st Law of Opposition from The Firesign Theater
Regardless of who grades these or whether they come in at “perfect” (whether or not it is a true 70), silver American Eagle and Maples and some other rounds/coins have a history of spotting.
At that point, regardless of the grade, your coin is worth spot or less.
For me, it is too much of a gamble. $699 to me is unimaginable.
I like issue price, only. Or a 69 grade close to issue price.
@MilesWaits said:
Regardless of who grades these or whether they come in at “perfect” (whether or not it is a true 70), silver American Eagle and Maples and some other rounds/coins have a history of spotting.
At that point, regardless of the grade, your coin is worth spot or less.
For me, it is too much of a gamble. $699 to me is unimaginable.
I like issue price, only. Or a 69 grade close to issue price.
I agree with you 100 %. I only buy mint direct in OGP. I would never pay $199 let alone $699, however for those FOMOs who have to have it $699 is better than the $900 to $1,200 others are charging. By the way I purchased several dozen slabbed 70 ASEs and Commems. In 2010 and 2013 for the grand kids. Kept them in heavy duty fire boxes in climate controlled room. Not one milk spot on any of them yet.
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had one in the bag, slowed to a crawl, and gone before it processed
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This will be a cycle for the next few days as people log in only to be greeted by a waiting room or a very slowed down website and then bots purchase all available in 10-15 seconds and then mint cancels orders....repeat for the next few days. Or the mint can end the cycle and impose a HHL of 1 or 3.
@jskillz95 said:
This will be a cycle for the next few days as people log in only to be greeted by a waiting room or a very slowed down website
Exactly! The waiting room that greeted me said 1 minute, then shot to 1 hour. Anybody want to buy a CLOUDFLARE tee- shirt? Do they need to keep the waiting room active 24-7? Or does it kick in automatically when more than ten people click on their website?
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the crackdown has begun. don't expect a lift on HHL anytime soon
How is a legitimate offer trolling?
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these are somewhat hot. not white hot like the complete pan-pac with box for melt, but fighting has begun
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"The earliest order date is October 28, 2025, and orders must be received by October 31, 2025, by 3 p.m. ET. Pick-up date is November 3, 2025. This product will be released to ABPP members with a 5% premium"
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"ats": 7130
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It's 8:17 ET. USMC Privy is available to "Add to Your Bag". HHOL still one. ATS = 6934
Still available!
The Army Privy in June was a Pre-Order and was identified as such at the Mint's e-commerce site. I ordered it June 13th; Received August 12th. The Navy privy was not a Pre-Order: Ordered October 10th; Received October 16th.
Looks like a lot of deserving collectors will be getting their missed opportunity from yesterday.
edited to add: Almost gone......ats: 532
In the waiting room now!! 🤣
Sold Out
alive again
GONE.
The Mint is a strange beast.
Couldn't get one yesterday but got in today. Semper fi (from an Army guy) 🇺🇸
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Sellout Summaries (so far)
.DATE .ATS. .TIME
11/10 84401 75 min
11/11 16006 75 min
To be continued…
One revision - yesterday's sellout was ~44 minutes.
I was sitting here wondering myself, I got one yesterday but looks like it would have been much easier to just wait and get one today. Same thing with the Navy one. Go Army (from a Marine guy). Glad you got one. Happy Veterans Day. RGDS!
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Oops - messed up again - meant to type 45 there - Thanks!
Happy Veterans Day to all the Vets, thank you for your service....
Right, but in the case of books and movies they get the media early but they aren't allowed to sell it until a certain date and time, thus preserving the release date or what I believe you referred to as the "official" release. That is not the case with the mint's release where the coins will be on dealer shelves in days if not already. Dealers certainly aren't waiting until mid-December to start selling (and shipping) these. If I can buy one and take possession of it, there can be no disputing that the coin is released.
If there is exception PCGS should probably tighten up its language to accurately reflect reality. It's already bad enough that the same numismatic issue can have multiple first strike windows based on different packaging.
http://ProofCollection.Net
HHL 1 still in effect
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
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Hhl lifted
Shipped, picked up, carrier pigeon airlift, insert whatever method of obtainium you want to use. You missed the question.
Why are these available for >pick up< to the Big Guys, but not available for >cross country delivery by Tortoise< for us peasants until a month later?
I just heard that these were available or were supposed to be available for purchase at the Denver US Mint shop in person. If that's the case then by all accounts they are released.
http://ProofCollection.Net
Exactly, they are available for "Pick-up" a week ago, yet they are not available for regular distribution for another month?
HHL lifted; was item available when the HHL was lifted?
I did t see the available flip. Even though HHL lifted—no items available?
They were gone this morning, lasted about an hour. At alittle after noon the hhl was lifted, there were none available at that time.
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The coin was made available for sale on November 10, 2025, and is being sold by the United States Mint online, and was also available for purchase in person at the National Museum of the Marine Corps on November 10, 2025. How can this not be released ? Definitions change to suit the label sale. First day ? First Strike ? Advance release ? They are all worthless, except for the short run, so dump them while you can unless you want them for yourself. Years from now they will only be worth melt and sold for pot or to settle gambling debts.
@jmlanzaf said
The ABPP aren't allowed to sell until the release date either. Are any of them actually selling to ship? I don't see any of them selling yet.
Last week Magic Mike at HSN was showing and selling them. He said he had the coins but could not ship until the release date. Also last week APMAX had Advanced release, FDOI, 70 & 69 different labels for pre sale on their website then took everything off. There will be a lot of stuff thrown against the wall with this issue. Buyer Beware !!!!!!!!!!
the HHL is removed now, but was it still on as of this morning? i forgot to set my alarms!!
Not lifted until 24 hours passes…..so noon or a little later it was lifted.
They are allowed to sell pre-release. I don't watch Magic Mike, but I don't see JM, Apmex or Pinehurst actually selling them yet.
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As you can see above, APMEX had them for sale on their website for a day or two last week then removed every thing.
every thing was listed as presale but removed. There is something about this issue which will be revealed in the coming days.
LCR Coin has them in stock according to web page:
https://lcrcoin.com/2025-p-silver-eagle-250th-anniversary-u-s-marine-privy-ad-cac-pr70-founders/
http://ProofCollection.Net
I don’t believe I am saying this, however it looks like those who locked in at Magic Mike's presale at $699.99 for PR 70 Advance Release got a real deal. Sometimes you get the Bear!!
But were those graded by his favorite TPG ANACS??? He does have coins graded by our hosts infrequently, but the majority of his offerings are from ANACS, then NGC
And he has alot of them holdered by ICG, as well
People buying from him are buying for themselves. Getting an Advance Release PR70 with interest free payments and free shipping and return guarantee if they don’t like it . They are not worried whose slab it is in.
Regardless of who grades these or whether they come in at “perfect” (whether or not it is a true 70), silver American Eagle and Maples and some other rounds/coins have a history of spotting.
At that point, regardless of the grade, your coin is worth spot or less.
For me, it is too much of a gamble. $699 to me is unimaginable.
I like issue price, only. Or a 69 grade close to issue price.
I agree with you 100 %. I only buy mint direct in OGP. I would never pay $199 let alone $699, however for those FOMOs who have to have it $699 is better than the $900 to $1,200 others are charging. By the way I purchased several dozen slabbed 70 ASEs and Commems. In 2010 and 2013 for the grand kids. Kept them in heavy duty fire boxes in climate controlled room. Not one milk spot on any of them yet.
10,000 available this morning gone in less the 10 seconds.
had one in the bag, slowed to a crawl, and gone before it processed
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Not a chance.
If even remotely true; the bot purchases will be cancelled and available again.
Sellout Summaries (so far)
.DATE .ATS. .TIME
11/10 84401 44 min
11/11 16006 75 min
11/12 9828* 1 min no HHL
*observed by me at 7:31 - could have been higher
This will be a cycle for the next few days as people log in only to be greeted by a waiting room or a very slowed down website and then bots purchase all available in 10-15 seconds and then mint cancels orders....repeat for the next few days. Or the mint can end the cycle and impose a HHL of 1 or 3.
Not all bot orders get cancelled.
Exact same for me.
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Exactly! The waiting room that greeted me said 1 minute, then shot to 1 hour. Anybody want to buy a CLOUDFLARE tee- shirt? Do they need to keep the waiting room active 24-7? Or does it kick in automatically when more than ten people click on their website?